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Fantastic Article About Towns Vs. OK4
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yellowboy90
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1/14/2015  8:36 PM
mreinman wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:I don't want to get quote crazy so let me ask you this would anyone take Andrew Bynum with more passing skills. Also, I have bad memeories of Camby on defense so maybe that is throwing me off when comparing Towns to Camby. I am not talking about old Camby either. I remember a young gambler that would chase blks and rebounds.

Also, man Caliperi reach goes back a long time. We need a Duncan/Camby match with Okafor/Towns. Also, as a freshamn playing slightly >22min. Camby avg 6.6 blks per 40 (3.6 blks a game0. That's insane. Poor Duncan played 30mins and avg only 5 blks per 40(3.8).

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/marcus-camby-1.html

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/tim-duncan-1.html


so far

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/karl-anthony-towns-1.html

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jahlil-okafor-1.html

you lost me here ... completely

what are you trying to say/ask?

Also, I forgot that Calipari was the coach at Umass. I will never forget when John Chaney stormed is press conference and wanted to beat him up.

I'm asking you if he turned out to be a better passing Bynum would you take it. I know you see back to basket players as old school and antiquated but would you take another Bynum. Keep in mind Bynum never reached his prime.

The other stuff is ramblings from you mentioning Camby in comparison to Towns and how others have compared OK4 to Duncan.

Good Bynum or Bad Bynum?

Of course I would take good Bynum. Good Bynum was ridiculously good. I don't see OK4 being nearly as good as Good Bynum. He just seems a little too slow and not enough lift.

I love the upside that towns has. He needs to get a bit stronger in the legs though so that he does not get pushed off the block.

And, towns is actually an excellent passer. He sees the floor really well for a freshman. OK4 does pass really nicely out of the post.

Who knows. Its obviously not doomsday if we dont win the lottery. OK4 is not the clear number one that people think he is.

And if Towns continues to improve and have a good tourny and Duke continues to get worse, this will flip REALLY fast. It can actually happen in a few more games.

I like both guys and have argued for both guys. I am fine either way. Regardless who is picked though for the knicks I would hope PHisher change their defensive philosophy and if Brian shaw is fired he needs to join the staff. They should be on the phone with him on a private jet on the way to his house in Denver as soon as they see/hear it announced. Player development would get a much needed boost with Shaw if he can duplicate what he did in Indy.

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mreinman
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1/14/2015  8:38 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:I don't want to get quote crazy so let me ask you this would anyone take Andrew Bynum with more passing skills. Also, I have bad memeories of Camby on defense so maybe that is throwing me off when comparing Towns to Camby. I am not talking about old Camby either. I remember a young gambler that would chase blks and rebounds.

Also, man Caliperi reach goes back a long time. We need a Duncan/Camby match with Okafor/Towns. Also, as a freshamn playing slightly >22min. Camby avg 6.6 blks per 40 (3.6 blks a game0. That's insane. Poor Duncan played 30mins and avg only 5 blks per 40(3.8).

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/marcus-camby-1.html

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/tim-duncan-1.html


so far

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/karl-anthony-towns-1.html

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jahlil-okafor-1.html

you lost me here ... completely

what are you trying to say/ask?

Also, I forgot that Calipari was the coach at Umass. I will never forget when John Chaney stormed is press conference and wanted to beat him up.

I'm asking you if he turned out to be a better passing Bynum would you take it. I know you see back to basket players as old school and antiquated but would you take another Bynum. Keep in mind Bynum never reached his prime.

The other stuff is ramblings from you mentioning Camby in comparison to Towns and how others have compared OK4 to Duncan.

Good Bynum or Bad Bynum?

Of course I would take good Bynum. Good Bynum was ridiculously good. I don't see OK4 being nearly as good as Good Bynum. He just seems a little too slow and not enough lift.

I love the upside that towns has. He needs to get a bit stronger in the legs though so that he does not get pushed off the block.

And, towns is actually an excellent passer. He sees the floor really well for a freshman. OK4 does pass really nicely out of the post.

Who knows. Its obviously not doomsday if we dont win the lottery. OK4 is not the clear number one that people think he is.

And if Towns continues to improve and have a good tourny and Duke continues to get worse, this will flip REALLY fast. It can actually happen in a few more games.

I like both guys and have argued for both guys. I am fine either way. Regardless who is picked though for the knicks I would hope PHisher change their defensive philosophy and if Brian shaw is fired he needs to join the staff. They should be on the phone with him on a private jet on the way to his house in Denver as soon as they see/hear it announced. Player development would get a much needed boost with Shaw if he can duplicate what he did in Indy.

not sure that Shaw would take #2 to fisher.

I am not a fisher fan at all. The dude was always overrated.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
yellowboy90
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1/14/2015  8:53 PM
mreinman wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:I don't want to get quote crazy so let me ask you this would anyone take Andrew Bynum with more passing skills. Also, I have bad memeories of Camby on defense so maybe that is throwing me off when comparing Towns to Camby. I am not talking about old Camby either. I remember a young gambler that would chase blks and rebounds.

Also, man Caliperi reach goes back a long time. We need a Duncan/Camby match with Okafor/Towns. Also, as a freshamn playing slightly >22min. Camby avg 6.6 blks per 40 (3.6 blks a game0. That's insane. Poor Duncan played 30mins and avg only 5 blks per 40(3.8).

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/marcus-camby-1.html

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/tim-duncan-1.html


so far

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/karl-anthony-towns-1.html

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jahlil-okafor-1.html

you lost me here ... completely

what are you trying to say/ask?

Also, I forgot that Calipari was the coach at Umass. I will never forget when John Chaney stormed is press conference and wanted to beat him up.

I'm asking you if he turned out to be a better passing Bynum would you take it. I know you see back to basket players as old school and antiquated but would you take another Bynum. Keep in mind Bynum never reached his prime.

The other stuff is ramblings from you mentioning Camby in comparison to Towns and how others have compared OK4 to Duncan.

Good Bynum or Bad Bynum?

Of course I would take good Bynum. Good Bynum was ridiculously good. I don't see OK4 being nearly as good as Good Bynum. He just seems a little too slow and not enough lift.

I love the upside that towns has. He needs to get a bit stronger in the legs though so that he does not get pushed off the block.

And, towns is actually an excellent passer. He sees the floor really well for a freshman. OK4 does pass really nicely out of the post.

Who knows. Its obviously not doomsday if we dont win the lottery. OK4 is not the clear number one that people think he is.

And if Towns continues to improve and have a good tourny and Duke continues to get worse, this will flip REALLY fast. It can actually happen in a few more games.

I like both guys and have argued for both guys. I am fine either way. Regardless who is picked though for the knicks I would hope PHisher change their defensive philosophy and if Brian shaw is fired he needs to join the staff. They should be on the phone with him on a private jet on the way to his house in Denver as soon as they see/hear it announced. Player development would get a much needed boost with Shaw if he can duplicate what he did in Indy.

not sure that Shaw would take #2 to fisher.

I am not a fisher fan at all. The dude was always overrated.

I agree he was overrated and shaw might not want to be number 2 but I think he knows this is a place to be a number 2. One step away from the crown.

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1/14/2015  8:55 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:I don't want to get quote crazy so let me ask you this would anyone take Andrew Bynum with more passing skills. Also, I have bad memeories of Camby on defense so maybe that is throwing me off when comparing Towns to Camby. I am not talking about old Camby either. I remember a young gambler that would chase blks and rebounds.

Also, man Caliperi reach goes back a long time. We need a Duncan/Camby match with Okafor/Towns. Also, as a freshamn playing slightly >22min. Camby avg 6.6 blks per 40 (3.6 blks a game0. That's insane. Poor Duncan played 30mins and avg only 5 blks per 40(3.8).

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/marcus-camby-1.html

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/tim-duncan-1.html


so far

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/karl-anthony-towns-1.html

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jahlil-okafor-1.html

you lost me here ... completely

what are you trying to say/ask?

Also, I forgot that Calipari was the coach at Umass. I will never forget when John Chaney stormed is press conference and wanted to beat him up.

I'm asking you if he turned out to be a better passing Bynum would you take it. I know you see back to basket players as old school and antiquated but would you take another Bynum. Keep in mind Bynum never reached his prime.

The other stuff is ramblings from you mentioning Camby in comparison to Towns and how others have compared OK4 to Duncan.

Good Bynum or Bad Bynum?

Of course I would take good Bynum. Good Bynum was ridiculously good. I don't see OK4 being nearly as good as Good Bynum. He just seems a little too slow and not enough lift.

I love the upside that towns has. He needs to get a bit stronger in the legs though so that he does not get pushed off the block.

And, towns is actually an excellent passer. He sees the floor really well for a freshman. OK4 does pass really nicely out of the post.

Who knows. Its obviously not doomsday if we dont win the lottery. OK4 is not the clear number one that people think he is.

And if Towns continues to improve and have a good tourny and Duke continues to get worse, this will flip REALLY fast. It can actually happen in a few more games.

I like both guys and have argued for both guys. I am fine either way. Regardless who is picked though for the knicks I would hope PHisher change their defensive philosophy and if Brian shaw is fired he needs to join the staff. They should be on the phone with him on a private jet on the way to his house in Denver as soon as they see/hear it announced. Player development would get a much needed boost with Shaw if he can duplicate what he did in Indy.

not sure that Shaw would take #2 to fisher.

I am not a fisher fan at all. The dude was always overrated.

I agree he was overrated and shaw might not want to be number 2 but I think he knows this is a place to be a number 2. One step away from the crown.

actually ... thats a very good point.

The best job in NY is #2. Its like being next in line at the bank - so much more exciting than being up.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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1/14/2015  9:05 PM
mreinman wrote:
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mreinman wrote:Stat never really did it without Nash. He had .5 of a season but at a far less efficient level.

Stockton was a much better player than Isiah (and so was Nash) and to be fair, he did not have a Malone IMHO, that would still not gotten him close to Stockton (who I think was one of the best players of all time)


STAT was being mentioned as an MVP candidate for that half of a season, before he started breaking down. Even then, he still had one of the better seasons of his career. That was without Nash. Malone and Stockton have never been put in that position. I won't count their last years in the league because they were past their primes.
We'll have to agree to disagree on how far apart Nash, Stockton and Isiah are in terms of their careers. I agree Stockton was better, but not by a far margin. I could easily see myself picking Isaiah over Stockton depending on the scenario.

Not sure if you follow it but take a look at Stats efficiency that fist .5 of the year and compare it to the efficiency with Nash. It took a dive.

picking Isiah over Stockton is a real "Isiah" move

I said depending on the scenario lol The point is that STAT was still an All Star without Nash. I can't say that about Stockton/Malone. Am I saying Malone wasn't as good as STAT? No. But those details should be taken into consideration when comparing players.

Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right. - The Tick
Fantastic Article About Towns Vs. OK4

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