Knicks1969 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:During the Pistons 9-1 streak Greg Monroe has averaged

16.1 points 12 rebounds 2.3 assists 1 steal 58.7% in 30 minutes a night.

To say this guys stinks or he's not worthy of whatever is strange at this point with 40 more games to go and the playoffs? He's playing very well and they are winning big right now.

These guys are ragging on Monroe and highlighting his faults but he's just performing and his team is winning. He had another good game 22/10/2/1 blk. Surely we could use a player who has that kind of talent at 24.

H1AND1 pointed to an article that listed Monroe's flaws and how his game makes him a hard fit to build around but his game actually fits the Triangle which is an old school offense. It's called the Triple Post offense for a reason. Phil would know how best to deploy a big like Monroe.

The problem is that Phil is not the coach. I have no confidence in Fisher nor the coaching staff to effectively use the triangle offense. It is destined to fail. You don't belie me? Tell me one coach other then Phil who ever won with that system.

Phil's hasn't brought the best out of any Knick this year

Here we have Nix doing his usual premature projecting

With absolutely nothing substantial to go off of

Monroe is a dope joke

F500ONE wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:During the Pistons 9-1 streak Greg Monroe has averaged

16.1 points 12 rebounds 2.3 assists 1 steal 58.7% in 30 minutes a night.

To say this guys stinks or he's not worthy of whatever is strange at this point with 40 more games to go and the playoffs? He's playing very well and they are winning big right now.

These guys are ragging on Monroe and highlighting his faults but he's just performing and his team is winning. He had another good game 22/10/2/1 blk. Surely we could use a player who has that kind of talent at 24.

H1AND1 pointed to an article that listed Monroe's flaws and how his game makes him a hard fit to build around but his game actually fits the Triangle which is an old school offense. It's called the Triple Post offense for a reason. Phil would know how best to deploy a big like Monroe.

The problem is that Phil is not the coach. I have no confidence in Fisher nor the coaching staff to effectively use the triangle offense. It is destined to fail. You don't belie me? Tell me one coach other then Phil who ever won with that system.

Phil's hasn't brought the best out of any Knick this year

Here we have Nix doing his usual premature projecting

With absolutely nothing substantial to go off of

Monroe is a dope joke

I want to keep an open spot for a max contract along with an open mind. I'm not sure we will even USE it on anything and i think PJ made that clear as well. To say that Greg Monroe scks is ridiculous--no one in the NBA who can put up double doubles consistently for years scks--there are only a few people on Earth capable of doing it. Greg Monroe is a UFA meaning there is MUCH less barrier to entry. There are some things he does very well and other things not so much. What i would be looking at is he capable of being on a winning team and how much he contributes to that winning. Thats how you judge players. How many Knicks fans said Zach randolph scks--well does he sck? No he doenst sck. Lets keep an open mind.

TripleThreat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:During the Pistons 9-1 streak Greg Monroe has averaged

16.1 points 12 rebounds 2.3 assists 1 steal 58.7% in 30 minutes a night.

To say this guys stinks or he's not worthy of whatever is strange at this point with 40 more games to go and the playoffs? He's playing very well and they are winning big right now.

No one here is saying Greg Monroe "stinks"

A player can have VALUE but still not be the BEST FIT both against the current roster and also against the salary cap.

Jodie Meeks got a nice fat contract by the Pistons this past offseason. His long range shooting has VALUE. I'm sure plenty of teams could use another long range shooter as such. But just because he has VALUE doesn't mean he's the BEST FIT.

The problem here is nixluva simply refuses to acknowledge that Monroe might not be the BEST FIT by treating it as an all or nothing proposition. If you disagree with Nixluva, you must be a hater and you must believe Monroe is nothing but dog poop as a player.

A lot of you also refuse to acknowledge or even understand that just because a player is productive in another system and on another team, that might not automatically translate if you put him on the Knicks. Whether you think Andre Drummond is polished as a pivot or not, he does command double teams and he's an elite glass cleaner. Don't just magically assume Monroe on the Knicks without Drummond is going to give you the same numbers as Monroe did on the Pistons.

And yet nixluva stil won't answer the question, after being asked THREE TIMES. Melo is a power forward. He can't defend wings. Nixluva claims the Knicks should also sign a legit starting caliber NBA center to pair with Monroe, thus Monroe has to play somewhere right? Like POWER FORWARD. Like he is doing right now. So what's the plan nixluva? Push Melo onto the wing, where he is clearly even more of a defensive liability than he normally is being to hurt the team defense. Or put Monroe in the SAME situation as before that he had in Detroit, having to play with another PF and a C, where none if it meshes with all three on the floor. Or Monroe can slide to center and Melo to PF, with Calderon and THJr, you tell me what kind of defense that will end up being?

Just get a big name, the hottest name right now on the market, the new "trendy" choice, and overpay him and ignore how he actually fits the rest of the roster. Sounds like.... James Dolan at work. Sounds like the same happy horse**** the Knicks front office has done over and over again to put them into this current team hell in the first place.

TripleThreat: Exactly. You put it perfectly. Monroe simply doesnt fit no matter how the Knicks could try to deploy him. Paying him the max would be a disaster. And yet, none of us who are against signing Monroe are claiming he "sucks". It's all about fit and overspending on a piece that makes zero sense. And sorry Nix, that's the bottom line. Signing Monroe would be a huge error.

And his defense sucks. Looking at a stat page, pointing to three stats that seem to belie the perception that Monroe is a bad defender and simply saying "See, he's a decent defender" does not actually prove your point. There is a reason why every single pro/con about Monroe brings up his defensive liabilities. If it was as simple as pointing to a couple of stats with zero context in order to "prove" he is actually a good defender don't you think the entire basketball world would've figured this out already? Nope. Sorry. The guy is a bad defender. Isn't DeAndre Jordan shooting something like 70% from the floor? Well gee this guy is the BEST offensive player in the NBA!! Holy hell how aren't the clippers just getting him the ball and letting him to go work every single possession if he's such a great scorer??

F500ONE wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:If you can give Amare and Houston $100 millions, Carmelo $125 millions, I don't see the trepidation on not offering Monroe who is a much more complete player then the aforementioned 4*17 millions. The dude is young, high IQ, plays at both ends of the court, unselfish ball player, and will not be a detriment to the team.

He does not do this criminey

The games I watched, he has done well defensively. Let's put it this way, he is far better then all the bigs (combined) Knicks have had the last five years. He is fundamentally sound. He has the skills to be as good as Aldrich in a couple of years.

TripleThreat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:During the Pistons 9-1 streak Greg Monroe has averaged

16.1 points 12 rebounds 2.3 assists 1 steal 58.7% in 30 minutes a night.

To say this guys stinks or he's not worthy of whatever is strange at this point with 40 more games to go and the playoffs? He's playing very well and they are winning big right now.

No one here is saying Greg Monroe "stinks"

A player can have VALUE but still not be the BEST FIT both against the current roster and also against the salary cap.

Jodie Meeks got a nice fat contract by the Pistons this past offseason. His long range shooting has VALUE. I'm sure plenty of teams could use another long range shooter as such. But just because he has VALUE doesn't mean he's the BEST FIT.

The problem here is nixluva simply refuses to acknowledge that Monroe might not be the BEST FIT by treating it as an all or nothing proposition. If you disagree with Nixluva, you must be a hater and you must believe Monroe is nothing but dog poop as a player.

A lot of you also refuse to acknowledge or even understand that just because a player is productive in another system and on another team, that might not automatically translate if you put him on the Knicks. Whether you think Andre Drummond is polished as a pivot or not, he does command double teams and he's an elite glass cleaner. Don't just magically assume Monroe on the Knicks without Drummond is going to give you the same numbers as Monroe did on the Pistons.

And yet nixluva stil won't answer the question, after being asked THREE TIMES. Melo is a power forward. He can't defend wings. Nixluva claims the Knicks should also sign a legit starting caliber NBA center to pair with Monroe, thus Monroe has to play somewhere right? Like POWER FORWARD. Like he is doing right now. So what's the plan nixluva? Push Melo onto the wing, where he is clearly even more of a defensive liability than he normally is being to hurt the team defense. Or put Monroe in the SAME situation as before that he had in Detroit, having to play with another PF and a C, where none if it meshes with all three on the floor. Or Monroe can slide to center and Melo to PF, with Calderon and THJr, you tell me what kind of defense that will end up being?

Just get a big name, the hottest name right now on the market, the new "trendy" choice, and overpay him and ignore how he actually fits the rest of the roster. Sounds like.... James Dolan at work. Sounds like the same happy horse**** the Knicks front office has done over and over again to put them into this current team hell in the first place.

great post as usual TT.