The 5-30 record doesn't bother me..Hiring a guy who never coached before and now looks lost bothers me..We are stuck with him at 25 mil over 5..Calderon was never good..Never..I laughed when Dallas paid him 7 mil per...I didn't know we would trade for that contract..Truly a head scratcher..

I hope we can get something decent in the draft..Try not to run Melo into the ground and add another piece next year..Then reassess..I can't say I'm inspired by his moves thus far..I'm still waiting for him to flesh out his game...

holfresh wrote:Phil is doing this for all the wrong reasons.."The triangle is much maligned in recent years" I think the quote was...He only interviewed guys he knew..No real new ideas being introduced...So I can't say I believed in culture change at this time..This is all about Phil and dies when he is gone..

The 5-30 record doesn't bother me..Hiring a guy who never coached before and now looks lost bothers me..We are stuck with him at 25 mil over 5..Calderon was never good..Never..I laughed when Dallas paid him 7 mil per...I didn't know we would trade for that contract..Truly a head scratcher..

I hope we can get something decent in the draft..Try not to run Melo into the ground and add another piece next year..Then reassess..I can't say I'm inspired by his moves thus far..I'm still waiting for him to flesh out his game...

Some good points here. With a 1st rd pick, and cap space, this is a big summer for Phil to really lay down the foundation of his vision. Also, i think Phish needs to be more flexible with the triangle offense. Alot of teams are running variations or updated versions of the triangle offense with a balanced mix of side pick n rolls, some flex cuts, pin downs and even princeton offense sets with some good old fashion back door cuts. Hopefully they add some of these elements next season. Its working for Kerr in oakland.

Uptown wrote:

holfresh wrote:Phil is doing this for all the wrong reasons.."The triangle is much maligned in recent years" I think the quote was...He only interviewed guys he knew..No real new ideas being introduced...So I can't say I believed in culture change at this time..This is all about Phil and dies when he is gone..

The 5-30 record doesn't bother me..Hiring a guy who never coached before and now looks lost bothers me..We are stuck with him at 25 mil over 5..Calderon was never good..Never..I laughed when Dallas paid him 7 mil per...I didn't know we would trade for that contract..Truly a head scratcher..

I hope we can get something decent in the draft..Try not to run Melo into the ground and add another piece next year..Then reassess..I can't say I'm inspired by his moves thus far..I'm still waiting for him to flesh out his game...

Some good points here. With a 1st rd pick, and cap space, this is a big summer for Phil to really lay down the foundation of his vision. Also, i think Phish needs to be more flexible with the triangle offense. Alot of teams are running variations or updated versions of the triangle offense with a balanced mix of side pick n rolls, some flex cuts, pin downs and even princeton offense sets with some good old fashion back door cuts. Hopefully they add some of these elements next season. Its working for Kerr in oakland.

holfresh wrote:

Uptown wrote:

holfresh wrote:Phil is doing this for all the wrong reasons.."The triangle is much maligned in recent years" I think the quote was...He only interviewed guys he knew..No real new ideas being introduced...So I can't say I believed in culture change at this time..This is all about Phil and dies when he is gone..

The 5-30 record doesn't bother me..Hiring a guy who never coached before and now looks lost bothers me..We are stuck with him at 25 mil over 5..Calderon was never good..Never..I laughed when Dallas paid him 7 mil per...I didn't know we would trade for that contract..Truly a head scratcher..

I hope we can get something decent in the draft..Try not to run Melo into the ground and add another piece next year..Then reassess..I can't say I'm inspired by his moves thus far..I'm still waiting for him to flesh out his game...

Some good points here. With a 1st rd pick, and cap space, this is a big summer for Phil to really lay down the foundation of his vision. Also, i think Phish needs to be more flexible with the triangle offense. Alot of teams are running variations or updated versions of the triangle offense with a balanced mix of side pick n rolls, some flex cuts, pin downs and even princeton offense sets with some good old fashion back door cuts. Hopefully they add some of these elements next season. Its working for Kerr in oakland.

I will always respect Pop for the many times he changed his style of play of suit his roster..I do have to say I like the ball movement and the cuts to the basket in the triangle...Just not enough passes on those cuts...

The sign of a great coach is one who can adjust and adapt a style of play for the roster he has. I was always leary of system coaches in the nba who need the stars to align in order to be super successful. Coaches married to one system are better suited in college where they can recruit the players to fit their style of play. Phil does have 11 rings, understands what it takes to build a championship culture so for that i do have guarded optimism.

mreinman wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

nixluva wrote:IMO it doesn't matter how fast Phil can put a contender together.

He's 70 years old. He's got a five year deal, of which one year is burning away.

He might not even be alive when this current deal ends.

All the arguing in the world with some of you guys doesn't make Zen Master younger. The reason pro sports ( not just the NBA) is shifting towards younger and younger GMs is that that job is a grind. Spending 18 hours watching film and flying around and trying to manage an owner, a fanbase, the media, your own coach, that's pure attrition. It's a young man's game.

Phil Jackson's age is a real problem. As he gets older, that problem heads more and more towards critical mass.

nixluva, you seem to be simply ok that there is no grooming line of succession in place here. There are legacy Knicks guys in the organization, but legacy Triangle guys? If Jackson leaves, one way or another, and then someone like Allan Houston takes the reins, well he's not a Triangle guy nor did he play in a mostly Triangle environment. Is he going to say "Sure, let's keep this!" Or dump it after it's clear it won't work without top shelf talent. Then what? All that development and time and specific personnel will have gone to waste, forcing you to start over.

It also seems to fly by some folks that if existing Triangle guys are edging out of the league and no other team is running it to this degree, then you have a very very narrow pipeline of talent or potential talent outside of your team.

Jackson's age is a problem, many of you are simply refusing to acknowledge it. Whether he has a great next off season or not, he's not getting younger and that's an issue.

good post.

Even if phil is all that ... what happens if he gets hit by a bus tomorrow? Who steps in and continues his "culture change"?

I always said and will say again

Any executive's job in this organization is not

To try and accomplish their purpose while employed

Their job is to do what's best for this organization

Whether they tenure their position to no end

Or they surrender by some other means leaving the organization

In a better position than when they took it over for someone else

Hence the reason Jackson's Triangle Moth Dust hasn't worked

In large has to do with the previous exec(s) who held his position(s)

It doesn't mean because Phil landed in a Den of Cobras there is valid justification

To trade for a Calderon and Fake Hustle an Andrea Bargnani as a Surprise

While shoving Triangle is the Cure to Diabetes, Heart Disease, Aids, and The Common Cold down everyone's throat

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EwingsGlass wrote:Tanking this year is brilliant. So far, Jackson has had the balls to do what no other GM has dared. My only issue with anything he has done was giving Melo a no-trade clause. That was a mistake that will cost us. I'd have let Melo walk over the no trade clause, because at the end of the day, this has to be Jackson's team. Not Melo's. That NT Clause shifts the power to Melo. That said, I have nothing against Melo. I'm just wondering whether his timeline will match the Knicks' timeline. This offseason will be the most exciting in years.

Jackson didn't plan the tank. I tried to convince myself of this once, but after watching this season's circus thus far I have to conclude I was wrong about that. It is clear this is simply a bad team being gutted like a fish. Sure, Phil can now try to tank harder, but that was not the plan going into the season. If anything, Phil is one embarrassed mofo and he is not lurking in the shadows rubbing his hands together and chortling about his plan falling into place.

I don't think a flat out deliberate tank job was intended but in my opinion this team was tried and tested early and the events of injury was part of the master plan.

By that I means AMare wanted to establish his return and see if he has starters minutes left in his body. He played great, really gave it his all. He is basically broken down again. JR smith wants to opt out and get paid, then let him play. He did and he got hurt. Planter foot is from being out of shape? Age? Condition?

Jose missed the first 14 games. He comes in to this mess and is a mess. He can play better.
Shump is a disappointment.
Dalembert was a rental.
Larkin looks OK. Not great, but ok.
Wear is part of the future.
Bargnani? He is a huge source of frustration for knicks. They paid up big for him and he can't stay healthy.
Melo is been as good as always but the roster is awful. His knee? We just don't really know do we? Is it a smoke screen or is it problematic?
All star game is in NY. He'll play.

Tank? team could have been handled differently as woodson had done previously but in a way Phish sought out to expose the teams weakness and strengths and give the existing roster an opportunity. They obviously are awful and are showing it.

They have been exposed.

Splat wrote:I'm still waiting for internet tough guy foosballnick to explain how we're all stupid due to their insights into how the foundations are being laid for a positive future. Yet another guy who lurks, shows up and says you suck, but has no counter-argument whatsoever.

Interesting that you call me out as a tough guy when all you have been doing is bullying Nix and Briggs on this board, knowing that they are nice guys and won't really react to your BS and bating personal posts towards them. Regarding my post, even a retard like you can plainly see what I wrote, that 35 games is too soon to make a full evaluation on Jackson. You can continue to stomp your feet and offer only yet more subjective opinionated over the top BS, thrown in with a couple of $124 Million references and come across like a petulant child. Good for you.

Further, regarding the internet tough guy comment. I'll back up anything I say here to your face if you wish. Arrange it and I'll be there.