Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Uptown wrote:

fishmike wrote:Where were all these BS posts 2 years ago? When Melo was 3rd in MVP voting and we won 54 games.

What did Melo do differently that season that he's not doing this year or last

That is my simple question, which the emotional turtles of Ultimate Knicks simply cannot answer.

Melo is NOT Lebron, Shaq, Durant or the generational type of player that can take any cast of average players and win them 50 games and get into the second round with. He's NEVER been that caliber player, despite considering himself their peer.

This is not rocket science. Can you folks stomach to actually look at what has happened in the last 2 years?
- JR went from 6th man of the year to being too stoned and hurt to play last year. Huge performance drop
- Felton went from being a good NBA player to a terrible one. Huge performance drop
- Tyson Chandler went from all star to bad. He was awful last year. Huge performance drop
- Bargs was added to upgrade the talent and cushion the loss of some of the vets. He's done NOTHING since being here.
- THjr, Shump, etc.. Knicks have not developed ONE young player who helps the rotation. One is as inconsistent as the next. Most as just bad.

I mention these most obvious of things and I am labeled a Melo loving apologist.

When Melo has been on good teams he's made those teams better, often MUCH better. When Melo's teammates suck and guys dont hit shots the style of play that ensues is brutal to watch and I dont want to watch Iso-Melo enroute to the lottery any more than anyone else does.

Melo's mouth does nothing to help endear him to fans. I dont care about that either. He's not punching or raping women, killing people driving drunk or beating his kid bloody. He's a rich dumb jock.

Good Honest Post.....

Agreed. Knicks fans blast all their players until they are traded, then a season later they canonise them as gods and blast the team for trading them. See Tyson Chandler.

tyson chandler should have been traded. He does not make us a winner.

the issues is what we got for him.

I don't disagree, but no one on this roster makes us a winner.

so what. there was no reason to keep him around

Agreed. At least, no reason in the long-term. That doesn't mean we had to trade him in the off-season though.

they should have traded him last season. In the offseason the locker room was already fukked

CrushAlot wrote:

stanleybostitch wrote:

Dagger wrote:"Trade Melo for a bag of peanuts"? If we ship out Melo because we cannot make it work with him then what kind of message will that send out to other stars we will eventually have to recruit? Or do you want to pretend that a team of role players and "hard workers" alone will ever compete with the top teams in the league?

Just ship Melo out for nothing, value be damned, because that's clearly a very smart way to handle the situation...

Just like Dolan, some here let emotion cloud their thinking.

Being hyperbolic about the peanuts. The point is this - sometimes you can effect addition by subtraction. Recall Knicks + Lin (minus Melo)=exciting as hell! What would current Knicks - Melo do? I bet they wouldn't be nearly as bad as they are currently, and you would see players like Shump and Hardaway thrive.

The Lin stuff was very exciting but it wasn't sustainable. You only get lucky with a run of the worst teams in the league on your schedule once a year maybe. And Lin has been ok since he left but he hasn't been the player that was so magical for those seven games. Teams adjust to players and the schedule rarely is as favorable as it was that February. I am pretty much sold on Shump not becoming much but I try to keep an open mind and I was thrilled with his first twelve games. I don't know about Hardaway but he is the one guy that might be able to become something on the current roster in my opinion. Melo has already done things in NY with the KNicks that hadn't been done in decades. He is too good not to keep around in my opinion.

True and this eternal sucktitude is much too sustainable.

smackeddog wrote:
The problem is, I don't see how a deal with the Bulls is possible, even with a third team- we just can't match the salaries. I don't really see any other contender that he would fit with.

Let's be frank. It was never about winning a ring with Melo. He wanted his once in a lifetime payday and he got it. All this talk about him only wanting to play for a contender is way overstated. He could go to any number of clubs where the team is better and he can drag Lala's butt to. Considering most teams are better than the Knicks, there could be numerous options.

Splat wrote:

smackeddog wrote:
The problem is, I don't see how a deal with the Bulls is possible, even with a third team- we just can't match the salaries. I don't really see any other contender that he would fit with.

Let's be frank. It was never about winning a ring with Melo. He wanted his once in a lifetime payday and he got it. All this talk about him only wanting to play for a contender is way overstated. He could go to any number of clubs where the team is better and he can drag Lala's butt to. Considering most teams are better than the Knicks, there could be numerous options.

He wanted to win but he wanted to be paid too. I think most basketball players do, and rightly so- say if you take less money because the other team has a better chance of winning, what happens if you don't end up winning a championship? Then you've lost money AND didn't win. See AK47 for how dumb you look then.