F500ONE wrote:

Splat wrote:LOL, I toast you with my glass of piss

Toast? You Rang

You mean like Chris Paul, Amar'e Stoudemire, and Carmelo Anthony

Toast on a Boat style, that means this summer we're getting 2 superstars

Because when you Toast on a Boat that's what ends up happening

jrodmc wrote:

VCoug wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Nalod wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Nalod wrote:1. Free agents are looking for money and to win. If Memphis can't or won't pay Gasol he'll walk. Odds are incumbent teams usually keeps its players so its not surprise if he stays. Lakers suck. Its desirable because of weather. Taxes suck in Calif. NYC is the cultural hub of north america. Its desirable to some. If they a free agent comes they are better than who they replace. Team gets better. not hard to understand.

2. Miami was awful before bosh and Lebron joined Wade.

3. Cleveland had youthier assets and Lebron came home to losing team. They traded for Love. Not hard to understand.

4. Chris Paul marked the turn around in ClipJoint and team is building a winning culture with him.

5. Knicks might suck this year, but draft a stud, and add a free agent and its a talent Trio. Not hard to understand.

6. Maybe we waiting on Durant??? Durant and Melo? I don't know. Im throwing it out there.

7. Is Phil Jax have the mystical powers to sell his vision to others or he do a money grab? Stay tuned, he has had just on off season thus far.

8. Did he understand the media before he got here? I think so. He's been here before and in the NBA over 40 years!!!!

Nalod--the Knicks are in a special position. We could have a top 3 pick AND Carmelo who is still a top 10 player. IF we can get rid of Calderon JR and Prigs--we open up and additional 16mm$. I still think Amare Stuodemire is seen as a very good player to the players in this league. If he was open to coming back for 4mm that would leave us with

Carmelo
a top 3 pick--maybe an additional mid range pick
Amare
Tim Hardaway
Quincy Acy
maybe another cheap player or two we can find.
Travis wear

Were set up for anything really good to happen. Right now its about purge and opportunistic trading. What I would like to get out of the last 40 games is to really push Wear's minutes Cole Aldrich's Hardaway's Shumpert's Larkin's and anyone we might pick up in a trade? Id like to make sure CA and Amare are rested heavily in the 2nd 1/2

By the way how about grabbing Lebron James and Aldridge with Jahill Okafor and Carmelo?

Your basically getting my point. The need to prepare for opportunity is what I preach and you laid out some good things. The draft will drive a lot of where we go via free agency. Trades can happen but I don't see much happening unless teams with injuries or needs see our our expendibles and desireable. Calderon can be useful to a team with cap or expiring that needs a back up or a stop gap shooter until. Toronto might need a back up. Two players for our 2016 pick back for example, and we take Landry for rest of season. Something like that. Derozen is hurt, they have a need. Not now, maybe later as season progresses.

Shyt happens. Gotta stay bottom 4 is my goal. Someone team out west will need Amare.

in the West:

6th Clips
7th Mavs
8th PHX

9th SAC
10th NO
11th Den
12th OKC

7 teams for the last three spots!!!
Someone wants it bad! Nobody is trading a cornerstone of their franchise but you gotta give up something!

What could the Warriors do with Amare off the bench for the stretch run??? Say Bellini goes down, bring in Caledron off the bench.
OKC maybe too far gone.
Maybe Toronto needs Shump?

Take these guys..........Give us some second rounders, EuroStash, or real late first sometime in the future
Their time is now. Ours is not.

A couple of guys who can see beyond the pissing and moaning.

I like what is coming from the Knicks FO. Its not panic.

I thought it made sense to compete this year, and I thought we would play much better than we have. But this isnt bad, because we are on pace to net a top pick and we need that above all else.

I think Briggs nailed it in that the #1 priority should be to move JR and Jose. Then you can offer the max to 2 guys and you have Melo (scorer) and a top pick to add.

If Knicks fans really feel that moving Calderon is our #1 priority then we should all be super pissed at the front office.

Yes indeedy because shipping the worst PG in the league to Dallas for what turned out to be a possible trade piece is a sure sign of poor management.

I like the Melo hate more at this point. It's a bit more coherent.

Yeah, and if we had just swapped Felton for Calderon I wouldn't care. But if traded Tyson Chandler, a dominant rebounder, our best defender, and probably the best offensive center in the league, just to get out of one more year at $4.5M of Felton than that's ****ing terrible. Chandler was one of only two players that had real trade value and to use him dump Felton should be ****ing inexcusable.

fishmike wrote:

VCoug wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

VCoug wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Nalod wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Nalod wrote:1. Free agents are looking for money and to win. If Memphis can't or won't pay Gasol he'll walk. Odds are incumbent teams usually keeps its players so its not surprise if he stays. Lakers suck. Its desirable because of weather. Taxes suck in Calif. NYC is the cultural hub of north america. Its desirable to some. If they a free agent comes they are better than who they replace. Team gets better. not hard to understand.

2. Miami was awful before bosh and Lebron joined Wade.

3. Cleveland had youthier assets and Lebron came home to losing team. They traded for Love. Not hard to understand.

4. Chris Paul marked the turn around in ClipJoint and team is building a winning culture with him.

5. Knicks might suck this year, but draft a stud, and add a free agent and its a talent Trio. Not hard to understand.

6. Maybe we waiting on Durant??? Durant and Melo? I don't know. Im throwing it out there.

7. Is Phil Jax have the mystical powers to sell his vision to others or he do a money grab? Stay tuned, he has had just on off season thus far.

8. Did he understand the media before he got here? I think so. He's been here before and in the NBA over 40 years!!!!

Nalod--the Knicks are in a special position. We could have a top 3 pick AND Carmelo who is still a top 10 player. IF we can get rid of Calderon JR and Prigs--we open up and additional 16mm$. I still think Amare Stuodemire is seen as a very good player to the players in this league. If he was open to coming back for 4mm that would leave us with

Carmelo
a top 3 pick--maybe an additional mid range pick
Amare
Tim Hardaway
Quincy Acy
maybe another cheap player or two we can find.
Travis wear

Were set up for anything really good to happen. Right now its about purge and opportunistic trading. What I would like to get out of the last 40 games is to really push Wear's minutes Cole Aldrich's Hardaway's Shumpert's Larkin's and anyone we might pick up in a trade? Id like to make sure CA and Amare are rested heavily in the 2nd 1/2

By the way how about grabbing Lebron James and Aldridge with Jahill Okafor and Carmelo?

Your basically getting my point. The need to prepare for opportunity is what I preach and you laid out some good things. The draft will drive a lot of where we go via free agency. Trades can happen but I don't see much happening unless teams with injuries or needs see our our expendibles and desireable. Calderon can be useful to a team with cap or expiring that needs a back up or a stop gap shooter until. Toronto might need a back up. Two players for our 2016 pick back for example, and we take Landry for rest of season. Something like that. Derozen is hurt, they have a need. Not now, maybe later as season progresses.

Shyt happens. Gotta stay bottom 4 is my goal. Someone team out west will need Amare.

in the West:

6th Clips
7th Mavs
8th PHX

9th SAC
10th NO
11th Den
12th OKC

7 teams for the last three spots!!!
Someone wants it bad! Nobody is trading a cornerstone of their franchise but you gotta give up something!

What could the Warriors do with Amare off the bench for the stretch run??? Say Bellini goes down, bring in Caledron off the bench.
OKC maybe too far gone.
Maybe Toronto needs Shump?

Take these guys..........Give us some second rounders, EuroStash, or real late first sometime in the future
Their time is now. Ours is not.

A couple of guys who can see beyond the pissing and moaning.

I like what is coming from the Knicks FO. Its not panic.

I thought it made sense to compete this year, and I thought we would play much better than we have. But this isnt bad, because we are on pace to net a top pick and we need that above all else.

I think Briggs nailed it in that the #1 priority should be to move JR and Jose. Then you can offer the max to 2 guys and you have Melo (scorer) and a top pick to add.

If Knicks fans really feel that moving Calderon is our #1 priority then we should all be super pissed at the front office.

Yes indeedy because shipping the worst PG in the league to Dallas for what turned out to be a possible trade piece is a sure sign of poor management.

I like the Melo hate more at this point. It's a bit more coherent.

Yeah, and if we had just swapped Felton for Calderon I wouldn't care. But if traded Tyson Chandler, a dominant rebounder, our best defender, and probably the best offensive center in the league, just to get out of one more year at $4.5M of Felton than that's ****ing terrible. Chandler was one of only two players that had real trade value and to use him dump Felton should be ****ing inexcusable.

did you just turn Chandler into Patrick Ewing? He was terrible last year. He's a terrible offensive player. He wasnt going to resign here. He was not a part of anything moving forward.

I mean we are 20 games into a mess here, but its a mess that gets cleaned up at the end of the year one way or another. What was Tyson doing for us? Nothing.

No, I didn't turn him into Ewing. I explained that he's a top-5 center in today's NBA and we apparently used him to dump $4.5M in salary while taking back $7.5M in salary that fans are now saying we have to dump.

And Tyson is a great offensive player. He's one of, if not the best, pick and roll finisher in the league. He shoots 60+% from the field almost every season. And his teams are almost always one of the top offensive teams in the league. Just because some people want him to play more like Jason Smith and Andrea Bargnani does not mean he's a bad player.

fishmike wrote:he WAS a bad player for the Knicks last year. Thats the point you seem to miss. He was VERY bad. He doesnt shoot anything. He dunks when able. 80% of his offense is created by the PG he plays with. The other 20% is when he gets a rebound and can score it. He's older, always hurt, coming off a terrible year and was never going to be resigned here. The fact that he's playing very well on a decent team changes none of that.

but yea... when he's the 3rd or 4th best player on your team, healthy and motivated he's good. That happened for about 4 months of the 3 whatever years he was here, and they were all in the 54 win season.

I would rather count the ping pong balls at this point than hope Tyson does something positive. His time here was more dissapointing than Amare's

You keep ignoring what I've been saying. At no point have I said we should've kept Tyson here at all costs. Hell, I've been making fake Tyson trades for the last 3 seasons. I'm saying that we had two players worth something in a trade: Melo and Tyson. We traded one of them for two 2nd round picks and a player that fans here are saying we need to dump before free agency next Summer. That's a horrifically bad trade.

fishmike wrote:

VCoug wrote:

fishmike wrote:he WAS a bad player for the Knicks last year. Thats the point you seem to miss. He was VERY bad. He doesnt shoot anything. He dunks when able. 80% of his offense is created by the PG he plays with. The other 20% is when he gets a rebound and can score it. He's older, always hurt, coming off a terrible year and was never going to be resigned here. The fact that he's playing very well on a decent team changes none of that.

but yea... when he's the 3rd or 4th best player on your team, healthy and motivated he's good. That happened for about 4 months of the 3 whatever years he was here, and they were all in the 54 win season.

I would rather count the ping pong balls at this point than hope Tyson does something positive. His time here was more dissapointing than Amare's

You keep ignoring what I've been saying. At no point have I said we should've kept Tyson here at all costs. Hell, I've been making fake Tyson trades for the last 3 seasons. I'm saying that we had two players worth something in a trade: Melo and Tyson. We traded one of them for two 2nd round picks and a player that fans here are saying we need to dump before free agency next Summer. That's a horrifically bad trade.

we will see, but nobody was taking Felton without some love. You do see that dont you? Even if you dont agree Tyson's greatest trade value coming off the season he just did was to jettison Felton. It was junk for junk. Tyson had little value. Felton was an albatross

You're completely wrong about Tyson. And for all the talk about jettisoning Felton's contract we took back a longer, larger one in Calderon's. And what do you think Calderon's value is around the league right now?

Bonn1997 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

fishmike wrote:

VCoug wrote:

fishmike wrote:he WAS a bad player for the Knicks last year. Thats the point you seem to miss. He was VERY bad. He doesnt shoot anything. He dunks when able. 80% of his offense is created by the PG he plays with. The other 20% is when he gets a rebound and can score it. He's older, always hurt, coming off a terrible year and was never going to be resigned here. The fact that he's playing very well on a decent team changes none of that.

but yea... when he's the 3rd or 4th best player on your team, healthy and motivated he's good. That happened for about 4 months of the 3 whatever years he was here, and they were all in the 54 win season.

I would rather count the ping pong balls at this point than hope Tyson does something positive. His time here was more dissapointing than Amare's

You keep ignoring what I've been saying. At no point have I said we should've kept Tyson here at all costs. Hell, I've been making fake Tyson trades for the last 3 seasons. I'm saying that we had two players worth something in a trade: Melo and Tyson. We traded one of them for two 2nd round picks and a player that fans here are saying we need to dump before free agency next Summer. That's a horrifically bad trade.

we will see, but nobody was taking Felton without some love. You do see that dont you? Even if you dont agree Tyson's greatest trade value coming off the season he just did was to jettison Felton. It was junk for junk. Tyson had little value. Felton was an albatross

You're completely wrong about Tyson. And for all the talk about jettisoning Felton's contract we took back a longer, larger one in Calderon's. And what do you think Calderon's value is around the league right now?

Yeah, *everyone* is tradeable if you're willing to take on a longer contract. No one will give up anything for Calderon unless we take on a bad player with a longer contract either. The league obviously allows you to waive any player too, which is better than taking on a longer contract for a player who isn't even helping the team.
I don't see how a full DPOY year and separate all-star year could possibly be considered 4 months of good play either in Tyson's case.

i disagree.

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

fishmike wrote:

VCoug wrote:

fishmike wrote:he WAS a bad player for the Knicks last year. Thats the point you seem to miss. He was VERY bad. He doesnt shoot anything. He dunks when able. 80% of his offense is created by the PG he plays with. The other 20% is when he gets a rebound and can score it. He's older, always hurt, coming off a terrible year and was never going to be resigned here. The fact that he's playing very well on a decent team changes none of that.

but yea... when he's the 3rd or 4th best player on your team, healthy and motivated he's good. That happened for about 4 months of the 3 whatever years he was here, and they were all in the 54 win season.

I would rather count the ping pong balls at this point than hope Tyson does something positive. His time here was more dissapointing than Amare's

You keep ignoring what I've been saying. At no point have I said we should've kept Tyson here at all costs. Hell, I've been making fake Tyson trades for the last 3 seasons. I'm saying that we had two players worth something in a trade: Melo and Tyson. We traded one of them for two 2nd round picks and a player that fans here are saying we need to dump before free agency next Summer. That's a horrifically bad trade.

we will see, but nobody was taking Felton without some love. You do see that dont you? Even if you dont agree Tyson's greatest trade value coming off the season he just did was to jettison Felton. It was junk for junk. Tyson had little value. Felton was an albatross

You're completely wrong about Tyson. And for all the talk about jettisoning Felton's contract we took back a longer, larger one in Calderon's. And what do you think Calderon's value is around the league right now?

Yeah, *everyone* is tradeable if you're willing to take on a longer contract. No one will give up anything for Calderon unless we take on a bad player with a longer contract either. The league obviously allows you to waive any player too, which is better than taking on a longer contract for a player who isn't even helping the team.
I don't see how a full DPOY year and separate all-star year could possibly be considered 4 months of good play either in Tyson's case.

i disagree.

Who wants a 33 year old who's averaging 9 and 4 and plays terrible defense? For almost 8 mil a year until he's 35?

Playoff teams that need a heady back up who can work in PnR systems while giving you a sniper from 3. There are teams who can absorb his defense. Portland, Clippers, and OKC could use him

VCoug wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

fishmike wrote:

VCoug wrote:

fishmike wrote:he WAS a bad player for the Knicks last year. Thats the point you seem to miss. He was VERY bad. He doesnt shoot anything. He dunks when able. 80% of his offense is created by the PG he plays with. The other 20% is when he gets a rebound and can score it. He's older, always hurt, coming off a terrible year and was never going to be resigned here. The fact that he's playing very well on a decent team changes none of that.

but yea... when he's the 3rd or 4th best player on your team, healthy and motivated he's good. That happened for about 4 months of the 3 whatever years he was here, and they were all in the 54 win season.

I would rather count the ping pong balls at this point than hope Tyson does something positive. His time here was more dissapointing than Amare's

You keep ignoring what I've been saying. At no point have I said we should've kept Tyson here at all costs. Hell, I've been making fake Tyson trades for the last 3 seasons. I'm saying that we had two players worth something in a trade: Melo and Tyson. We traded one of them for two 2nd round picks and a player that fans here are saying we need to dump before free agency next Summer. That's a horrifically bad trade.

we will see, but nobody was taking Felton without some love. You do see that dont you? Even if you dont agree Tyson's greatest trade value coming off the season he just did was to jettison Felton. It was junk for junk. Tyson had little value. Felton was an albatross

You're completely wrong about Tyson. And for all the talk about jettisoning Felton's contract we took back a longer, larger one in Calderon's. And what do you think Calderon's value is around the league right now?

Yeah, *everyone* is tradeable if you're willing to take on a longer contract. No one will give up anything for Calderon unless we take on a bad player with a longer contract either. The league obviously allows you to waive any player too, which is better than taking on a longer contract for a player who isn't even helping the team.
I don't see how a full DPOY year and separate all-star year could possibly be considered 4 months of good play either in Tyson's case.

i disagree.

Who wants a 33 year old who's averaging 9 and 4 and plays terrible defense? For almost 8 mil a year until he's 35?

Playoff teams that need a heady back up who can work in PnR systems while giving you a sniper from 3. There are teams who can absorb his defense. Portland, Clippers, and OKC could use him

because they're desperate for his 9 and 4 and impressed with how he's leading us? They haven't noticed that Dallas fully replaced him with some guys making $2 or 3 mil? I can't imagine it. They probably realize he's a liability and only going to hurt them.

OKC wouldn't want him, they already have Westbrook and Jackson. LAC has at least Crawford and Redick to back up Chris Paul. I suppose Portland could be interested. But even then, how are we trading Calderon to any of those teams without taking back salary?

Jackson is leaving and that team is capped out. They need to get a back up to Westbrook and they need shooting. Portland has two expiring they can use with Leonard who is in the dog house they can use. Clippers is the iffy team.

yellowboy90 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

fishmike wrote:

VCoug wrote:

fishmike wrote:he WAS a bad player for the Knicks last year. Thats the point you seem to miss. He was VERY bad. He doesnt shoot anything. He dunks when able. 80% of his offense is created by the PG he plays with. The other 20% is when he gets a rebound and can score it. He's older, always hurt, coming off a terrible year and was never going to be resigned here. The fact that he's playing very well on a decent team changes none of that.

but yea... when he's the 3rd or 4th best player on your team, healthy and motivated he's good. That happened for about 4 months of the 3 whatever years he was here, and they were all in the 54 win season.

I would rather count the ping pong balls at this point than hope Tyson does something positive. His time here was more dissapointing than Amare's

You keep ignoring what I've been saying. At no point have I said we should've kept Tyson here at all costs. Hell, I've been making fake Tyson trades for the last 3 seasons. I'm saying that we had two players worth something in a trade: Melo and Tyson. We traded one of them for two 2nd round picks and a player that fans here are saying we need to dump before free agency next Summer. That's a horrifically bad trade.

we will see, but nobody was taking Felton without some love. You do see that dont you? Even if you dont agree Tyson's greatest trade value coming off the season he just did was to jettison Felton. It was junk for junk. Tyson had little value. Felton was an albatross

You're completely wrong about Tyson. And for all the talk about jettisoning Felton's contract we took back a longer, larger one in Calderon's. And what do you think Calderon's value is around the league right now?

Yeah, *everyone* is tradeable if you're willing to take on a longer contract. No one will give up anything for Calderon unless we take on a bad player with a longer contract either. The league obviously allows you to waive any player too, which is better than taking on a longer contract for a player who isn't even helping the team.
I don't see how a full DPOY year and separate all-star year could possibly be considered 4 months of good play either in Tyson's case.

i disagree.

Who wants a 33 year old who's averaging 9 and 4 and plays terrible defense? For almost 8 mil a year until he's 35?

Playoff teams that need a heady back up who can work in PnR systems while giving you a sniper from 3. There are teams who can absorb his defense. Portland, Clippers, and OKC could use him

because they're desperate for his 9 and 4 and impressed with how he's leading us? They haven't noticed that Dallas fully replaced him with some guys making $2 or 3 mil? I can't imagine it. They probably realize he's a liability and only going to hurt them.

OKC wouldn't want him, they already have Westbrook and Jackson. LAC has at least Crawford and Redick to back up Chris Paul. I suppose Portland could be interested. But even then, how are we trading Calderon to any of those teams without taking back salary?

Jackson is leaving and that team is capped out. They need to get a back up to Westbrook and they need shooting. Portland has two expiring they can use with Leonard who is in the dog house they can use. Clippers is the iffy team.

Jackson's also going to be a RFA so it's up to OKC if he leaves or not. Sure, Portland could trade us Leonard plus an expiring but then we're back to my original point that Calderon has no value and we've basically traded Tyson for nothing.