VCoug wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:just outta curiosity bro.. why are you leaning towns?

Another thing, Briggs high regard for Towns also validates what I've seen and heard about him. Can't go wrong with he or Ok4. Mudiay I don't care for because I don't see Phil drafting that kind of PG

I think you have to see the whole season before anyone is a lock OTHER than OK4. I think Ok4 is a lock number 1 pick. Darn trouble is that Id like to see Kentuckys big men play 30-35 minutes each a few games. Hope and pray we get pick 1 and then we wont have to do guesswork.

yea Kentucky has 3 potential blue chip bigs in Towns, Dakari & Stein. You wanna make sure you get the right one. You think Philly takes Ok4/Towns even with Embid & Noel?

You gotta take the best player available. You don'the wanna be that guy who took Sam Bowie over Jordan. I like Noel's potential, but I don'the see him ever gaining the tag of franchise player and Emily has question marks regarding his health. Maybe the 76ers trade down?

100% agree. I give no consideration to what will be on the roster, and lets face it, thats Melo and Calderon. BPA all the way

How does it help your team to take the best player available, that's not building a team, that's collecting assets, like phili drafting Noel, and embiid, or miny draft flynn and rubio. Do you see how that's turning out, no direction. In order to draft a player that's going to have an immediate impact, you have to draft a player that fits in your system. Grabbing any player just because of talent is stupid and short sighted, every player in the draft has talent.

yea... both Sam Bowie and Michael Jordan have *talent*

Name one player in this draft we should pass on because we have xxx or our roster or that player doesnt fit our xxx system.

No... the Knick need top talent and impact players. Does that clarify? So yea... give me he BPA

The knicks have never been short of talent,(lee, nate, thj, gallo, mosgov,hill) they have been short of the correct role players, glue guys that connect the talent. A guy like jahil is a 18 yr old freshman, duncan was a 4 yr player, jahil avg less then 8 boards.

Nate Mozgov, and Hill are role players nothing more. Lee is pretty good. Gallo might have been something but his career has been destroyed by injuries. THJr hasn't even shown he's good enough to be a role player.

knicks1248 wrote:Anyone who thinks is skill set and age will manifest into a impact player next season, is in for a rude awakening. The knicks don't have the patience to develop talent,and if you think thats change, go down the long list of drafts the knicks gave up on, then go read the comments phil said about players not getting by thanksgiving or xmas, are not part of the future.

He's a 18 yr old freshman, that should stay in school for at least another yr. Thats what makes the draft so overated, too many 1 yr players think their ready, and when they get to the league, their like a deer in headlights, and you start srceaming about LOW IQ players.

Anyone who thinks we can be a contender in one offseason is in for a rude awakening. There are holes up and down this roster and we need to be looking at 2, 3, or 4 years down the line.

what gives you the confidence to think the knicks we develop anyone they draft especially if were still losing..

What gives you the confidence to think the Knicks can make good trades and sign the right free agents?

the year we won 54 games

knicks1248 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:just outta curiosity bro.. why are you leaning towns?

Another thing, Briggs high regard for Towns also validates what I've seen and heard about him. Can't go wrong with he or Ok4. Mudiay I don't care for because I don't see Phil drafting that kind of PG

I think you have to see the whole season before anyone is a lock OTHER than OK4. I think Ok4 is a lock number 1 pick. Darn trouble is that Id like to see Kentuckys big men play 30-35 minutes each a few games. Hope and pray we get pick 1 and then we wont have to do guesswork.

yea Kentucky has 3 potential blue chip bigs in Towns, Dakari & Stein. You wanna make sure you get the right one. You think Philly takes Ok4/Towns even with Embid & Noel?

You gotta take the best player available. You don'the wanna be that guy who took Sam Bowie over Jordan. I like Noel's potential, but I don'the see him ever gaining the tag of franchise player and Emily has question marks regarding his health. Maybe the 76ers trade down?

100% agree. I give no consideration to what will be on the roster, and lets face it, thats Melo and Calderon. BPA all the way

How does it help your team to take the best player available, that's not building a team, that's collecting assets, like phili drafting Noel, and embiid, or miny draft flynn and rubio. Do you see how that's turning out, no direction. In order to draft a player that's going to have an immediate impact, you have to draft a player that fits in your system. Grabbing any player just because of talent is stupid and short sighted, every player in the draft has talent.

yea... both Sam Bowie and Michael Jordan have *talent*

Name one player in this draft we should pass on because we have xxx or our roster or that player doesnt fit our xxx system.

No... the Knick need top talent and impact players. Does that clarify? So yea... give me he BPA

The knicks have never been short of talent,(lee, nate, thj, gallo, mosgov,hill) they have been short of the correct role players, glue guys that connect the talent. A guy like jahil is a 18 yr old freshman, duncan was a 4 yr player, jahil avg less then 8 boards.

Nate Mozgov, and Hill are role players nothing more. Lee is pretty good. Gallo might have been something but his career has been destroyed by injuries. THJr hasn't even shown he's good enough to be a role player.

knicks1248 wrote:Anyone who thinks is skill set and age will manifest into a impact player next season, is in for a rude awakening. The knicks don't have the patience to develop talent,and if you think thats change, go down the long list of drafts the knicks gave up on, then go read the comments phil said about players not getting by thanksgiving or xmas, are not part of the future.

He's a 18 yr old freshman, that should stay in school for at least another yr. Thats what makes the draft so overated, too many 1 yr players think their ready, and when they get to the league, their like a deer in headlights, and you start srceaming about LOW IQ players.

Anyone who thinks we can be a contender in one offseason is in for a rude awakening. There are holes up and down this roster and we need to be looking at 2, 3, or 4 years down the line.

what gives you the confidence to think the knicks we develop anyone they draft especially if were still losing..

What gives you the confidence to think the Knicks can make good trades and sign the right free agents?

the year we won 54 games

The one year in 15yrs we had a good team? And even then it was an incredibly flawed team with no chance at getting to an ECF let alone win a championship

VCoug wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:just outta curiosity bro.. why are you leaning towns?

Another thing, Briggs high regard for Towns also validates what I've seen and heard about him. Can't go wrong with he or Ok4. Mudiay I don't care for because I don't see Phil drafting that kind of PG

I think you have to see the whole season before anyone is a lock OTHER than OK4. I think Ok4 is a lock number 1 pick. Darn trouble is that Id like to see Kentuckys big men play 30-35 minutes each a few games. Hope and pray we get pick 1 and then we wont have to do guesswork.

yea Kentucky has 3 potential blue chip bigs in Towns, Dakari & Stein. You wanna make sure you get the right one. You think Philly takes Ok4/Towns even with Embid & Noel?

You gotta take the best player available. You don'the wanna be that guy who took Sam Bowie over Jordan. I like Noel's potential, but I don'the see him ever gaining the tag of franchise player and Emily has question marks regarding his health. Maybe the 76ers trade down?

100% agree. I give no consideration to what will be on the roster, and lets face it, thats Melo and Calderon. BPA all the way

How does it help your team to take the best player available, that's not building a team, that's collecting assets, like phili drafting Noel, and embiid, or miny draft flynn and rubio. Do you see how that's turning out, no direction. In order to draft a player that's going to have an immediate impact, you have to draft a player that fits in your system. Grabbing any player just because of talent is stupid and short sighted, every player in the draft has talent.

yea... both Sam Bowie and Michael Jordan have *talent*

Name one player in this draft we should pass on because we have xxx or our roster or that player doesnt fit our xxx system.

No... the Knick need top talent and impact players. Does that clarify? So yea... give me he BPA

The knicks have never been short of talent,(lee, nate, thj, gallo, mosgov,hill) they have been short of the correct role players, glue guys that connect the talent. A guy like jahil is a 18 yr old freshman, duncan was a 4 yr player, jahil avg less then 8 boards.

Nate Mozgov, and Hill are role players nothing more. Lee is pretty good. Gallo might have been something but his career has been destroyed by injuries. THJr hasn't even shown he's good enough to be a role player.

knicks1248 wrote:Anyone who thinks is skill set and age will manifest into a impact player next season, is in for a rude awakening. The knicks don't have the patience to develop talent,and if you think thats change, go down the long list of drafts the knicks gave up on, then go read the comments phil said about players not getting by thanksgiving or xmas, are not part of the future.

He's a 18 yr old freshman, that should stay in school for at least another yr. Thats what makes the draft so overated, too many 1 yr players think their ready, and when they get to the league, their like a deer in headlights, and you start srceaming about LOW IQ players.

Anyone who thinks we can be a contender in one offseason is in for a rude awakening. There are holes up and down this roster and we need to be looking at 2, 3, or 4 years down the line.

what gives you the confidence to think the knicks we develop anyone they draft especially if were still losing..

What gives you the confidence to think the Knicks can make good trades and sign the right free agents?

the year we won 54 games

The one year in 15yrs we had a good team? And even then it was an incredibly flawed team with no chance at getting to an ECF let alone win a championship

Yeah. We've been building through trades and free agency for 15 years and it culminated in a single 54-win season and a 2nd round playoff exit. And then we won 37 games the next season. I mean, here's a list of every team that has won at least 54 games since 2000; there are 70 teams on it.

more than half that list are repeat offenders, and we have not been building through trades, walsh came in and purge the entire roster, and while Isiah drafted well, he traded horrible.

Before any new blood comes to this franchise, the culture has to change, and we have to have a winning mentality. You can not bring in new players in a losing enviornment. All the players we brought in (other than acy and Jason) were on winning teams last season, but our core has a losing mentality.

Last night I heard john gruden, ray lewis, trent dilfer, and phil jackson, all stress how important culture is over talent any day of the week.