F500ONE wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I missed parts of the game. Was Outlaw a dnp tonight?

No Outlaw, No Bargs, No Smith, No Prigs

Great one on one play from

Anythony, Smith, and even Calderon

The rest of the rotation were more effective

Running the triangle, Acy may play a huge role for us

F500ONE wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I missed parts of the game. Was Outlaw a dnp tonight?

No Outlaw, No Bargs, No Smith, No Prigs

Great one on one play from

Anythony, Smith, and even Calderon

The rest of the rotation were more effective

Running the triangle, Acy may play a huge role for us

Yeah I liked what I saw from EArly also. Checked the box score and Dalembert had nice numbers. I liked what I saw from Cole and also thought Larkin looked better tonight. I think the interesting dnps are Outlaw and Prigs. My guess is Fisher wants to give some of his bigs enough run to get in a rhythm and that might be why Bargs didn't play. Early looks good enough already to move on from Outlaw in my opinion.

Larkin was awful IMO

He settled down, I guess if that's what you mean

Dalembert had a couple defensive plays

A great outlet in the middle from Melo doubles

Early is real smooth, almost too smooth

Wear had his ups and downs but

He can have value in this system

Needs to get stronger, good frame but needs to get NBA strength

knickscity wrote:
Phil wants to move both players, I'm completely sure of this. Amare just doesnt fit on offense and doesnt even try on defense....he's damn near playing for the opponent at times. Bargs actually probably could play, but Phil imo hated that deal that was made and is holding it against Bargs although he is a fierce liability on the floor as well.

Yeah, I'm thinking Phil has the mindset to bury players if the costs are already sunk and he has Dolan's backing and that's why I am already kind of banking on Stat and Bargs falling out of the picture quickly if players like Acy and Early produce NOW. Jackson is clearly here to make things happen ASAP and I really don't think he gives a damn about Bargs and Stat at this point so if those two don't produce pronto and others show a better grasp of how to play the game right, then I expect Fisher to have the juice to bury them.

I really believe this is close to happening already and that it is very possible since this team is not going to play 12-14 players in the rotation.

Stat only got some brownie points from the end of last season for two reasons. He was healthier and better by comparison to how awful he was before and he got time on a totally disjointed offense so he got to freelance and produce a little again. That was his little blessing from the Woodson disaster, but now he has to conform to an actual system being implemented and he is an idiot ball player and he probably cannot adapt.

Bargs is the poster child for inconsistency, but he still has a better shot at fitting in than Stat IMO. If he can fugging pay attention and find his place on the floor, he could still be in the rotation, though I doubt he'll be a starter at the end of the season. Still, I prefer to build a team and Bargs is a goner, so I'd rather bury him and give him and Stats minutes to guys like Acy, Cole and Early.

Some of this will depend on whether Jason Smith is solid or a bust too. We don't know about him yet.

My prediction is Stat will flame out and fall out of the rotation during the season and Bargs will be a light rotation player, but not a key one.

Splat wrote:

knickscity wrote:
Phil wants to move both players, I'm completely sure of this. Amare just doesnt fit on offense and doesnt even try on defense....he's damn near playing for the opponent at times. Bargs actually probably could play, but Phil imo hated that deal that was made and is holding it against Bargs although he is a fierce liability on the floor as well.

Yeah, I'm thinking Phil has the mindset to bury players if the costs are already sunk and he has Dolan's backing and that's why I am already kind of banking on Stat and Bargs falling out of the picture quickly if players like Acy and Early produce NOW. Jackson is clearly here to make things happen ASAP and I really don't think he gives a damn about Bargs and Stat at this point so if those two don't produce pronto and others show a better grasp of how to play the game right, then I expect Fisher to have the juice to bury them.

I really believe this is close to happening already and that it is very possible since this team is not going to play 12-14 players in the rotation.

Stat only got some brownie points from the end of last season for two reasons. He was healthier and better by comparison to how awful he was before and he got time on a totally disjointed offense so he got to freelance and produce a little again. That was his little blessing from the Woodson disaster, but now he has to conform to an actual system being implemented and he is an idiot ball player and he probably cannot adapt.

Bargs is the poster child for inconsistency, but he still has a better shot at fitting in than Stat IMO. If he can fugging pay attention and find his place on the floor, he could still be in the rotation, though I doubt he'll be a starter at the end of the season. Still, I prefer to build a team and Bargs is a goner, so I'd rather bury him and give him and Stats minutes to guys like Acy, Cole and Early.

Some of this will depend on whether Jason Smith is solid or a bust too. We don't know about him yet.

My prediction is Stat will flame out and fall out of the rotation during the season and Bargs will be a light rotation player, but not a key one.

Once Fisher set the bar for the defense it automatically ruled certain players ineligible. Amare and Bargs will bench themselves and role players who are putting in the work will garner the minutes.

UNCASVILLE, Conn. -- New York Knicks forward Andrea Bargnani missed Saturday's preseason game against the Boston Celtics due to slight tightness in his right hamstring.

"I think our medical staff feels that tonight (off) would be good -- especially with three games in four nights, it would be good to get him an extra day's rest," Knicks coach Derek Fisher said before the game.

Bargnani started in the Knicks' preseason opener and played well early on. Fisher is optimistic Bargnani can be a strong rotation player for the team this year.

He missed nearly half of last season due to an elbow injury.

"The versatility he provides our roster is a really high level," Fisher said. "He can play on the wing, he can play in the post. He can shoot the 3. He can put the ball down and attack because he feels healthy this year. He's not afraid to go to the rim. And he's just an active guy. ... We're just looking forward to having all that he can bring for us especially once we start to round out our rotation."

Splat wrote:

knickscity wrote:There's multiple reasons to not play Amare or Bargs. Mainly on defense for both, and neither are part of the future.

Even though I thought Timmy's defense was poor, he actually made shots in a flurry and thrives in the uptempo second unit, but alot of his defensive miscues can be masked with a real presence in the paint and neither bargs or amare provide that.

What I do hope for is for Fisher to reward actual play and not play names on a jersey. Wear and Acy are dogs out there and both are doing whats needed...scoring isnt everything, they prevent the opponent from doing so.

Dalembert and Cole are earning minutes as well. Then Fisher has to see what jason Smith provides.

The rotation is being set before our eyes and I know this hurts folks feelings but some guys wont be a part of it mainly Bargs and secondly Amare.

And this is the first time we have a regime that will tell someone like Stat to STFU if he goes whining to the reporters about not playing. That is why I think it is very much in the cards and probably will happen. Face it, Stat mostly sucks and Bargs is close behind. They have no place on this team now and provide nothing we can't get from other players. They they will be given a shot to prove otherwise. I don't think they have it in them and there are others gunning for their minutes.

Even if some think we have little talent, addition by subtraction paves the way for effort players to gel and make something that is quickly better by the sum than by its parts alone. I think effort + IQ will trump salary status finally. Thank god Stat and Bargs are in their last year. If only JR were too.

I think JR could have a big year I dont think JR will cause anymore problems and if he plays the way hes capable hes a quality player In terms of PF the bottom line is there are tto many players

BRIGGS wrote:

Splat wrote:

knickscity wrote:There's multiple reasons to not play Amare or Bargs. Mainly on defense for both, and neither are part of the future.

Even though I thought Timmy's defense was poor, he actually made shots in a flurry and thrives in the uptempo second unit, but alot of his defensive miscues can be masked with a real presence in the paint and neither bargs or amare provide that.

What I do hope for is for Fisher to reward actual play and not play names on a jersey. Wear and Acy are dogs out there and both are doing whats needed...scoring isnt everything, they prevent the opponent from doing so.

Dalembert and Cole are earning minutes as well. Then Fisher has to see what jason Smith provides.

The rotation is being set before our eyes and I know this hurts folks feelings but some guys wont be a part of it mainly Bargs and secondly Amare.

And this is the first time we have a regime that will tell someone like Stat to STFU if he goes whining to the reporters about not playing. That is why I think it is very much in the cards and probably will happen. Face it, Stat mostly sucks and Bargs is close behind. They have no place on this team now and provide nothing we can't get from other players. They they will be given a shot to prove otherwise. I don't think they have it in them and there are others gunning for their minutes.

Even if some think we have little talent, addition by subtraction paves the way for effort players to gel and make something that is quickly better by the sum than by its parts alone. I think effort + IQ will trump salary status finally. Thank god Stat and Bargs are in their last year. If only JR were too.

I think JR could have a big year I dont think JR will cause anymore problems and if he plays the way hes capable hes a quality player In terms of PF the bottom line is there are tto many players

That's why I don't have the same prediction for JR as I do for Stat and probably Bargs. He'll be in the rotation unless he pulls some more dumb stunts or gets off to a bad start, both things he is still capable of doing. Its up to him since he can be useful if he is a good boy.

BRIGGS wrote:

Splat wrote:

knickscity wrote:There's multiple reasons to not play Amare or Bargs. Mainly on defense for both, and neither are part of the future.

Even though I thought Timmy's defense was poor, he actually made shots in a flurry and thrives in the uptempo second unit, but alot of his defensive miscues can be masked with a real presence in the paint and neither bargs or amare provide that.

What I do hope for is for Fisher to reward actual play and not play names on a jersey. Wear and Acy are dogs out there and both are doing whats needed...scoring isnt everything, they prevent the opponent from doing so.

Dalembert and Cole are earning minutes as well. Then Fisher has to see what jason Smith provides.

The rotation is being set before our eyes and I know this hurts folks feelings but some guys wont be a part of it mainly Bargs and secondly Amare.

And this is the first time we have a regime that will tell someone like Stat to STFU if he goes whining to the reporters about not playing. That is why I think it is very much in the cards and probably will happen. Face it, Stat mostly sucks and Bargs is close behind. They have no place on this team now and provide nothing we can't get from other players. They they will be given a shot to prove otherwise. I don't think they have it in them and there are others gunning for their minutes.

Even if some think we have little talent, addition by subtraction paves the way for effort players to gel and make something that is quickly better by the sum than by its parts alone. I think effort + IQ will trump salary status finally. Thank god Stat and Bargs are in their last year. If only JR were too.

I think JR could have a big year I dont think JR will cause anymore problems and if he plays the way hes capable hes a quality player In terms of PF the bottom line is there are tto many players