nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:IMO Dolan got impatient. I think the move was to wait on CP3 and save the cap space for him. They went with the Billups Amnesty instead of STAT and grabbing Tyson. Just waiting and being patient and ready to pounce when the time was right but Dolan couldn't do that.

In the end now we have to see what Phil can do with his shot at it. We're in a good position now. Just play this out and see what happens at the Trade deadline and this off season. In the meantime we get to evaluate the players we have and establish a new culture here.

Bingo!

And it was not just Dolan who got impatient and stupid. It was all the starphucking fans

The impatience started right

After we signed Amar'e

The Amare signing was the epitome of impatience!
The impatience started when Dolan took over

The Knicks were in a perfect position for a good GM to start over but not with Dolan being such a fool. I have some hope for the future with Phil in control and Dolan being hands off.

Bonn1997 wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:IMO Dolan got impatient. I think the move was to wait on CP3 and save the cap space for him. They went with the Billups Amnesty instead of STAT and grabbing Tyson. Just waiting and being patient and ready to pounce when the time was right but Dolan couldn't do that.

In the end now we have to see what Phil can do with his shot at it. We're in a good position now. Just play this out and see what happens at the Trade deadline and this off season. In the meantime we get to evaluate the players we have and establish a new culture here.

Bingo!

And it was not just Dolan who got impatient and stupid. It was all the starphucking fans

The impatience started right

After we signed Amar'e

The Amare signing was the epitome of impatience!
The impatience started when Dolan took over

it certainly was though everyone here loves because he made us relevant.

F500ONE wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Signing Amare wasn't bad. What was bad was giving him 5 yrs 100mil. Should have offered him either 3yrs 60mil or 5yrs then at 65mil. Or if they were desperate to give him 5yrs 100mil with no insurance then a TO after yr 2-3 should have been included.

Even if we struck out on all free agents Walsh could have used the massive amount of cap space to restock assets to acquire one.

Phx offered 4yrs max, we had to offer 5

Because Amar'e was after the dinero

Phoenix offered 3 (@60) years not 4 (I think).

mreinman wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Signing Amare wasn't bad. What was bad was giving him 5 yrs 100mil. Should have offered him either 3yrs 60mil or 5yrs then at 65mil. Or if they were desperate to give him 5yrs 100mil with no insurance then a TO after yr 2-3 should have been included.

Even if we struck out on all free agents Walsh could have used the massive amount of cap space to restock assets to acquire one.

Phx offered 4yrs max, we had to offer 5

Because Amar'e was after the dinero

Phoenix offered 3 (@60) years not 4 (I think).

Stoudemire twice declined a five-year, $96.6 million offer before the Suns cut ties after years of passing on chances to either trade him or extend his contract. Suns Managing Partner Robert Sarver made Stoudemire a new offer of three guaranteed years with fourth and fifth years guaranteed if he played 2,200 minutes in the third and fourth seasons. That would require averaging 26.8 minutes over 82 games, but Stoudemire could toss out five games with the fewest minutes each season. He averaged 34.6 minutes last season.

Otherwise, the deal guaranteed 50 percent of the fourth-year salary and 25 percent in the fifth year. Stoudemire would not take a deal shorter than five years, but the Suns were hesitant due to his surgically repaired knees. He recently had MRI exams on the knees, which the Suns requested. The camps made at least 10 calls Thursday to discuss a deal for Stoudemire, who wanted to stay with Phoenix and had several confidants affirming that.

"It wasn't the right deal," his agent, Happy Walters, said. "There were too many caveats for us to be comfortable with it. Amar'e appreciated Robert's and (coach) Alvin's (Gentry) willingness to sit down with him. He'll be sad to leave his teammates and the city he loves, but it's time to move on."

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2010/07/02/20100702suns-sign-warrick-stoudemire-era-over.html

newyorknewyork wrote:Signing Amare wasn't bad. What was bad was giving him 5 yrs 100mil. Should have offered him either 3yrs 60mil or 5yrs then at 65mil. Or if they were desperate to give him 5yrs 100mil with no insurance then a TO after yr 2-3 should have been included.

Even if we struck out on all free agents Walsh could have used the massive amount of cap space to restock assets to acquire one.

At least now we have Phil, Fish and Melo already on board. If this season goes well it will only enhance our standing as a destination.

Because it would save us a lot of money since we are repeat tax offenders, costing us 3x his contract 60m +
That is a lot of money, even for a Billionare

In my opinion, it comes down to at what price, it could be for 2020 or 2022 1st rounder and maybe a 2nd rounder max 2018 or later
IF Tim Hardaway JR's stock goes up, would that be enough to absorb STAT's contract, with our depth at SG, don't forget Tenacious next season or this year, *though unlikely I think since, we could signed him to a 3year deal next year*
Would 2 2nd rounders do it?

More importantly, as a fan, it would allow us to have a trade exemption of 23m +, from within one year of the date to use, which could be delayed since there likely will be a NBA lockout prior to the 2016/17 season
Though we would still need to asset's to chase true talent with some cooperation from the player we are targetting, doing what Kevin Love did to join Lebron and Irving in Cleveland
Simply by saying, I will resign with any other team and will opt out

Had CA said those words, we would have another team in the past couple years
Also that extra year in salary, he used to OPT out of his contract anyway, so it was pointless to trade for him
He still would have made more less money if he signed with NYK's in the off season, since the perecentages went lower with the CBA, especially for teams without bird rights
But it wasn't by much, if he finished the season, his salary would have went up, instead we gave up a lot of value with the trade and following the trade to build with a roster with too many holes

F500ONE wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:IMO Dolan got impatient. I think the move was to wait on CP3 and save the cap space for him. They went with the Billups Amnesty instead of STAT and grabbing Tyson. Just waiting and being patient and ready to pounce when the time was right but Dolan couldn't do that.

In the end now we have to see what Phil can do with his shot at it. We're in a good position now. Just play this out and see what happens at the Trade deadline and this off season. In the meantime we get to evaluate the players we have and establish a new culture here.

Bingo!

And it was not just Dolan who got impatient and stupid. It was all the starphucking fans

The impatience started right

After we signed Amar'e

The Amare signing was the epitome of impatience!
The impatience started when Dolan took over

50/50

To not have signed anyone in 2010

Longterm maybe not so bad

Short Term, it would have been

One of the worse PR nightmares in some time

It would have proven everything prior was

All for naught and a hammer on New York

Being an attractive destination

Which is still debatable by and large

So you're basically saying it was the epitome of impatience!

I'm saying they showed some patience for 2yrs

But probably needed to stick it out another yr or 2

We were about 50/50 on the side of patience

I would have been on the side to wait longer obviously

It's a shame we are going to waste away the Phil Years just like we did Larry Brown & Donnie Walsh because its New York, James Dolan and impatience from fans and media

I wish Phil came with the mindset of being more fiscally responsible. I thought he did until he buckled under the pressure from Dolan and New York in general and gave Melo $124 million

It is what it is. Same **** different day