Uptown wrote:

arkrud wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

The position of power with the Atlanta Hawks' organization held by Michael Gearon had been neutralized by Bruce Levenson and Danny Ferry.

But Gearon was on a conference call with Ferry in June in which free agents were discussed.

The call proceeded with Ferry hustling through free agent names, a list that included Carmelo Anthony: "He can shoot the [expletive] out of it, but he screws you up in other ways," Ferry said, according to a transcript obtained by Yahoo Sports.

Ferry would go on to say of Anthony: "So is he really worth the 20 million dollars? … I would argue if he plays the right way, absolutely."

The Hawks never had an opportunity to pursue Anthony, but they did have a chance to sign Luol Deng.

Several sources told Yahoo that within the basketball operations, Ferry was Atlanta's biggest proponent to sign Deng.

Ferry started about how Deng "has got some African in him" and proceeded to make a comparison to Africans with phony facades selling counterfeit goods.

As soon as those words left Ferry's mouth on the call, Gearon responded in a dramatic way in the background of the tape recording, according to a partial transcript of the call obtained by Yahoo Sports.

"Oh my God, that comment sounds like Sterling on TMZ," Gearon said.

Gearon allowed Ferry to keep talking.

On Deng, Ferry said: "… For example, he can come out and be an unnamed source for a story and two days later come out and say, 'That absolutely was not me. I can't believe someone said that.'

"But talking to reporters, you know they can [believe it]."

Ferry kept going on Deng: "… Good guy in Chicago. They will tell you he was good for their culture, but not a culture setter. He played hard and all those things, but he was very worried about his bobble-head being the last one given away that year, or there was not enough stuff of him in the [team] store … kind of a complex guy."

According to the report, Ferry appears to be making his own interjections on the call and not reciting words belonging to someone else.

Ferry knows if he's canned

It's never getting cracked open again

This dude is cooked, he's doneyan

Like a rotten onion

It is pretty clear that in today America no white person should make any public comment mentioning African american or just African people in any form except of praising their excellent qualities. And this is good to praise people of any kind.
However if someone has burning desire to hate on somebody publicly he can safely say anything about white or Asian people.
They are used to this and don't give a damn anyways.

WOW! This post reeks of ignorance. As Nard pointed out, I guess you missed the whole "Chink in the Armor" article concerning Jeremy Lin? Dior Designer, John Galliano (worked with Madanna, Nicole Kidman, etc) made and anti-semtic remark and was fired a few years ago. The whole Redskin debacle concerning native americans has been all over the news of late. Seems as if you have an agenda....

My agenda is simple.
Nobody should judge people based on how they look, their race, gender, orientation, national descend, religion, weight, height, disability, etc.
People are what they do and what they say not how they look.
People who bring race up to single out somebody to praise or to hate are racists.
Plain and simple.
If somebody has a bad experience with specific kind of people he should just stay away and mind his own business.
No need to hang stereotypes on everybody.

Nalod wrote:Ferry Made the comment or read the comment from a scouting report?
Ferry should not have repeated it but is that the same as who wrote it?
All this because Levenson came public for his somewhat misworded demographic discription to the state of their Attndance.

Ferry has been backed by his black friends as not being racist.

Does me defending Ferry make me a racist? If I ignore a racist comment does that make me a racist?

Do you actually believe Ferry though? You're telling me he didn't read that report in advance- he just went into the conference call without having done any prep? And if a scout really wrote it, why hasn't the scout been fired?

I never think that having black friends vouch for him means anything (he's hardly likely to reveal his racism to them- like would he really of said the african thing if his audience had been black?). Besides which it's a red herring- the issue isn't whether he is a racist in his free time, it's that he was racist at work and it will likely impact his recruiting abilities further down the line.

Nalod wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Nalod wrote:Ferry Made the comment or read the comment from a scouting report?
Ferry should not have repeated it but is that the same as who wrote it?
All this because Levenson came public for his somewhat misworded demographic discription to the state of their Attndance.

Ferry has been backed by his black friends as not being racist.

Does me defending Ferry make me a racist? If I ignore a racist comment does that make me a racist?

Do you actually believe Ferry though? You're telling me he didn't read that report in advance- he just went into the conference call without having done any prep? And if a scout really wrote it, why hasn't the scout been fired?

I never think that having black friends vouch for him means anything (he's hardly likely to reveal his racism to them- like would he really of said the african thing if his audience had been black?). Besides which it's a red herring- the issue isn't whether he is a racist in his free time, it's that he was racist at work and it will likely impact his recruiting abilities further down the line.

What if the Scout that wrote it was black?? Does that change anything?

Nope- you cannot use racial stereotypes as a possible reason for not hiring someone, it's basic employment law.

smackeddog wrote:

Nalod wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Nalod wrote:Ferry Made the comment or read the comment from a scouting report?
Ferry should not have repeated it but is that the same as who wrote it?
All this because Levenson came public for his somewhat misworded demographic discription to the state of their Attndance.

Ferry has been backed by his black friends as not being racist.

Does me defending Ferry make me a racist? If I ignore a racist comment does that make me a racist?

Do you actually believe Ferry though? You're telling me he didn't read that report in advance- he just went into the conference call without having done any prep? And if a scout really wrote it, why hasn't the scout been fired?

I never think that having black friends vouch for him means anything (he's hardly likely to reveal his racism to them- like would he really of said the african thing if his audience had been black?). Besides which it's a red herring- the issue isn't whether he is a racist in his free time, it's that he was racist at work and it will likely impact his recruiting abilities further down the line.

What if the Scout that wrote it was black?? Does that change anything?

Nope- you cannot use racial stereotypes as a possible reason for not hiring someone, it's basic employment law.

Can employee/candidate use racial stereotypes to claim that he was fired or not hired? I guess this is no low for this.
And folks who are using this to prosecute the employer (and this happened a lot) are making a big disservice to potential employes from his/her demographic group.
By putting so much attention to race and diversity we as society created a monster which brewing racism.
Ideally the personal information should not only be confidential but also removed from any government and employment procedures and stats.
Everyone should be just American citizen or legal alien. No other info should be of any legal significance.
And then if somebody is using race as a positive/negative factor this should be considered as crime/corruption.
The fact that even arguing this aspect of live became a tabu is also disturbing.
As soon as someone wants to discuss it he automatically labeled as racist as apparently it is nothing to argue about and all is hunky dory in Danish Kingdom.

smackeddog wrote:

arkrud wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Nalod wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Nalod wrote:Ferry Made the comment or read the comment from a scouting report?
Ferry should not have repeated it but is that the same as who wrote it?
All this because Levenson came public for his somewhat misworded demographic discription to the state of their Attndance.

Ferry has been backed by his black friends as not being racist.

Does me defending Ferry make me a racist? If I ignore a racist comment does that make me a racist?

Do you actually believe Ferry though? You're telling me he didn't read that report in advance- he just went into the conference call without having done any prep? And if a scout really wrote it, why hasn't the scout been fired?

I never think that having black friends vouch for him means anything (he's hardly likely to reveal his racism to them- like would he really of said the african thing if his audience had been black?). Besides which it's a red herring- the issue isn't whether he is a racist in his free time, it's that he was racist at work and it will likely impact his recruiting abilities further down the line.

What if the Scout that wrote it was black?? Does that change anything?

Nope- you cannot use racial stereotypes as a possible reason for not hiring someone, it's basic employment law.

Can employee/candidate use racial stereotypes to claim that he was fired or not hired? I guess this is no low for this.
And folks who are using this to prosecute the employer (and this happened a lot) are making a big disservice to potential employes from his/her demographic group.
By putting so much attention to race and diversity we as society created a monster which brewing racism.
Ideally the personal information should not only be confidential but also removed from any government and employment procedures and stats.
Everyone should be just American citizen or legal alien. No other info should be of any legal significance.
And then if somebody is using race as a positive/negative factor this should be considered as crime/corruption.
The fact that even arguing this aspect of live became a tabu is also disturbing.
As soon as someone wants to discuss it he automatically labeled as racist as apparently it is nothing to argue about and all is hunky dory in Danish Kingdom.

I always find this kind of reasoning bizarre- that the main damage regarding racism is caused by people complaining about it, and that if they didn't complain about it, it wouldn't happen and there wouldn't be any problem. This is just daft. It's like saying if people didn't complain about rape and murder as much, it wouldn't really be an issue.

Main damage done by people who are using the victims of racism to build their political image and by media which is using each such case to increase the advertisement revenue.
If you actually read my post you will see that I said that people are not allowed to talk about it; not should not talk about it.
And any opinion should be permitted for discussion except of clear hate an calls for violence.

arkrud wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

arkrud wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Nalod wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Nalod wrote:Ferry Made the comment or read the comment from a scouting report?
Ferry should not have repeated it but is that the same as who wrote it?
All this because Levenson came public for his somewhat misworded demographic discription to the state of their Attndance.

Ferry has been backed by his black friends as not being racist.

Does me defending Ferry make me a racist? If I ignore a racist comment does that make me a racist?

Do you actually believe Ferry though? You're telling me he didn't read that report in advance- he just went into the conference call without having done any prep? And if a scout really wrote it, why hasn't the scout been fired?

I never think that having black friends vouch for him means anything (he's hardly likely to reveal his racism to them- like would he really of said the african thing if his audience had been black?). Besides which it's a red herring- the issue isn't whether he is a racist in his free time, it's that he was racist at work and it will likely impact his recruiting abilities further down the line.

What if the Scout that wrote it was black?? Does that change anything?

Nope- you cannot use racial stereotypes as a possible reason for not hiring someone, it's basic employment law.

Can employee/candidate use racial stereotypes to claim that he was fired or not hired? I guess this is no low for this.
And folks who are using this to prosecute the employer (and this happened a lot) are making a big disservice to potential employes from his/her demographic group.
By putting so much attention to race and diversity we as society created a monster which brewing racism.
Ideally the personal information should not only be confidential but also removed from any government and employment procedures and stats.
Everyone should be just American citizen or legal alien. No other info should be of any legal significance.
And then if somebody is using race as a positive/negative factor this should be considered as crime/corruption.
The fact that even arguing this aspect of live became a tabu is also disturbing.
As soon as someone wants to discuss it he automatically labeled as racist as apparently it is nothing to argue about and all is hunky dory in Danish Kingdom.

I always find this kind of reasoning bizarre- that the main damage regarding racism is caused by people complaining about it, and that if they didn't complain about it, it wouldn't happen and there wouldn't be any problem. This is just daft. It's like saying if people didn't complain about rape and murder as much, it wouldn't really be an issue.

Main damage done by people who are using the victims of racism to build their political image and by media which is using each such case to increase the advertisement revenue.
If you actually read my post you will see that I said that people are not allowed to talk about it; not should not talk about it.
And any opinion should be permitted for discussion except of clear hate an calls for violence.

So do you consider it the same for anti-semitism- that the main damage is done by people who complain about it and report it, and that they're exaggerating it's existence? Do you wish we lived in a world where people could feel more comfortable being openly anti-semitic without fear of people speaking out about it?

Our laws have been slow to employ our constitution that grants "all people are created equal".

While far from perfect the document is the greatest on the planet and a beacon of light to follow. We are getting there and making progress. We as a society move forward but its not without its scars.

Racism exists even though we know its wrong. Keep moving forward.

Nalod wrote:Racism will always exist when ever you have people of different culture living under the same roof.

Our laws have been slow to employ our constitution that grants "all people are created equal".

While far from perfect the document is the greatest on the planet and a beacon of light to follow. We are getting there and making progress. We as a society move forward but its not without its scars.

Racism exists even though we know its wrong. Keep moving forward.

Things didn't improve on their own- it was thanks to people speaking out, educating and protesting. A lot of people died in the struggle. Racists didn't wake up one day and think "Hey, I think we've been a bit unreasonable here with all the lynchings and slavery- I think we might be misapplying the constitution!"- they were pushed into making changes by protesters and educators.

smackeddog wrote:

Nalod wrote:Racism will always exist when ever you have people of different culture living under the same roof.

Our laws have been slow to employ our constitution that grants "all people are created equal".

While far from perfect the document is the greatest on the planet and a beacon of light to follow. We are getting there and making progress. We as a society move forward but its not without its scars.

Racism exists even though we know its wrong. Keep moving forward.

Things didn't improve on their own- it was thanks to people speaking out, educating and protesting. A lot of people died in the struggle. Racists didn't wake up one day and think "Hey, I think we've been a bit unreasonable here with all the lynchings and slavery- I think we might be misapplying the constitution!"- they were pushed into making changes by protesters and educators.

Of course......I didn't omit this for any reason.

arkrud wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

arkrud wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

arkrud wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Nalod wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Nalod wrote:Ferry Made the comment or read the comment from a scouting report?
Ferry should not have repeated it but is that the same as who wrote it?
All this because Levenson came public for his somewhat misworded demographic discription to the state of their Attndance.

Ferry has been backed by his black friends as not being racist.

Does me defending Ferry make me a racist? If I ignore a racist comment does that make me a racist?

Do you actually believe Ferry though? You're telling me he didn't read that report in advance- he just went into the conference call without having done any prep? And if a scout really wrote it, why hasn't the scout been fired?

I never think that having black friends vouch for him means anything (he's hardly likely to reveal his racism to them- like would he really of said the african thing if his audience had been black?). Besides which it's a red herring- the issue isn't whether he is a racist in his free time, it's that he was racist at work and it will likely impact his recruiting abilities further down the line.

What if the Scout that wrote it was black?? Does that change anything?

Nope- you cannot use racial stereotypes as a possible reason for not hiring someone, it's basic employment law.

Can employee/candidate use racial stereotypes to claim that he was fired or not hired? I guess this is no low for this.
And folks who are using this to prosecute the employer (and this happened a lot) are making a big disservice to potential employes from his/her demographic group.
By putting so much attention to race and diversity we as society created a monster which brewing racism.
Ideally the personal information should not only be confidential but also removed from any government and employment procedures and stats.
Everyone should be just American citizen or legal alien. No other info should be of any legal significance.
And then if somebody is using race as a positive/negative factor this should be considered as crime/corruption.
The fact that even arguing this aspect of live became a tabu is also disturbing.
As soon as someone wants to discuss it he automatically labeled as racist as apparently it is nothing to argue about and all is hunky dory in Danish Kingdom.

I always find this kind of reasoning bizarre- that the main damage regarding racism is caused by people complaining about it, and that if they didn't complain about it, it wouldn't happen and there wouldn't be any problem. This is just daft. It's like saying if people didn't complain about rape and murder as much, it wouldn't really be an issue.

Main damage done by people who are using the victims of racism to build their political image and by media which is using each such case to increase the advertisement revenue.
If you actually read my post you will see that I said that people are not allowed to talk about it; not should not talk about it.
And any opinion should be permitted for discussion except of clear hate an calls for violence.

So do you consider it the same for anti-semitism- that the main damage is done by people who complain about it and report it, and that they're exaggerating it's existence? Do you wish we lived in a world where people could feel more comfortable being openly anti-semitic without fear of people speaking out about it?

Yes - people who are ultra-Zionist and use the facts of antisemitism as their political agenda are brewing hate against Jews.
As a Jew the prosecution and oppression of my people and experienced by me personally inspired me to work harder to be successful despite all world biting down on me. This is how we are. It is and always be a shame for me to take any benefits and privileges because of the fact that my people were murdered, tortured, abused, and segregated.
We are leaving in the world where people ARE very comfortable being antisemitic. And there is no issues to talk about it. This is not a social taboo as race issues discussion are in US. If some public figure is antisemitic and is honest about it I have no issues with is.
Everyone has a right to announce to the world that he is bigot an idiot. And other people have rights to react or not react to it showing their own color.

We literally just had Ted Cruz, a United States Senator with eyes on a Presidential run, speak at the In Defense of Christians (IDC) conference and state "those who do not stand with Israel, do not stand with America and those who do not stand with the Jews are not Christians" in a country that is 70% Christian. That sentiment is echoed by any and every politician that hopes to be elected to office on a state or national level; from Barack Obama, to Mitt Romney, to John Kerry, to Chris Christie, to Diane Feinstein, to Marco Rubio, to Debbie Wasserman, to Hilary Clinton....the list goes on and on irrespective of how different their political ideologies are. On top of that, our country gives more financial assistance to Israel than any other country in the world (including the ones we recently demolished) at a time when our own country is in economic decline, major American cities like Detroit are dying and Israel's GDP has tripled in just a decade. And no public outcry can be heard from the American people who are known to be especially xenophobic and tribal. Meanwhile, an entire political party (Republicans) keeps 20%-50% of its base by portraying Blacks and other minorities as leeches on the country and cause for its demise, yet you feel "race issues are taboo" while antisemitism is fine and dandy? What ****ing world do you live in?

arkrud wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

arkrud wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

arkrud wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

arkrud wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Nalod wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Nalod wrote:Ferry Made the comment or read the comment from a scouting report?
Ferry should not have repeated it but is that the same as who wrote it?
All this because Levenson came public for his somewhat misworded demographic discription to the state of their Attndance.

Ferry has been backed by his black friends as not being racist.

Does me defending Ferry make me a racist? If I ignore a racist comment does that make me a racist?

Do you actually believe Ferry though? You're telling me he didn't read that report in advance- he just went into the conference call without having done any prep? And if a scout really wrote it, why hasn't the scout been fired?

I never think that having black friends vouch for him means anything (he's hardly likely to reveal his racism to them- like would he really of said the african thing if his audience had been black?). Besides which it's a red herring- the issue isn't whether he is a racist in his free time, it's that he was racist at work and it will likely impact his recruiting abilities further down the line.

What if the Scout that wrote it was black?? Does that change anything?

Nope- you cannot use racial stereotypes as a possible reason for not hiring someone, it's basic employment law.

Can employee/candidate use racial stereotypes to claim that he was fired or not hired? I guess this is no low for this.
And folks who are using this to prosecute the employer (and this happened a lot) are making a big disservice to potential employes from his/her demographic group.
By putting so much attention to race and diversity we as society created a monster which brewing racism.
Ideally the personal information should not only be confidential but also removed from any government and employment procedures and stats.
Everyone should be just American citizen or legal alien. No other info should be of any legal significance.
And then if somebody is using race as a positive/negative factor this should be considered as crime/corruption.
The fact that even arguing this aspect of live became a tabu is also disturbing.
As soon as someone wants to discuss it he automatically labeled as racist as apparently it is nothing to argue about and all is hunky dory in Danish Kingdom.

I always find this kind of reasoning bizarre- that the main damage regarding racism is caused by people complaining about it, and that if they didn't complain about it, it wouldn't happen and there wouldn't be any problem. This is just daft. It's like saying if people didn't complain about rape and murder as much, it wouldn't really be an issue.

Main damage done by people who are using the victims of racism to build their political image and by media which is using each such case to increase the advertisement revenue.
If you actually read my post you will see that I said that people are not allowed to talk about it; not should not talk about it.
And any opinion should be permitted for discussion except of clear hate an calls for violence.

So do you consider it the same for anti-semitism- that the main damage is done by people who complain about it and report it, and that they're exaggerating it's existence? Do you wish we lived in a world where people could feel more comfortable being openly anti-semitic without fear of people speaking out about it?

Yes - people who are ultra-Zionist and use the facts of antisemitism as their political agenda are brewing hate against Jews.
As a Jew the prosecution and oppression of my people and experienced by me personally inspired me to work harder to be successful despite all world biting down on me. This is how we are. It is and always be a shame for me to take any benefits and privileges because of the fact that my people were murdered, tortured, abused, and segregated.
We are leaving in the world where people ARE very comfortable being antisemitic. And there is no issues to talk about it. This is not a social taboo as race issues discussion are in US. If some public figure is antisemitic and is honest about it I have no issues with is.
Everyone has a right to announce to the world that he is bigot an idiot. And other people have rights to react or not react to it showing their own color.

We literally just had Ted Cruz, a United States Senator with eyes on a Presidential run, speak at the In Defense of Christians (IDC) conference and state "those who do not stand with Israel, do not stand with America and those who do not stand with the Jews are not Christians" in a country that is 70% Christian. That sentiment is echoed by any and every politician that hopes to be elected to office on a state or national level; from Barack Obama, to Mitt Romney, to John Kerry, to Chris Christie, to Diane Feinstein, to Marco Rubio, to Debbie Wasserman, to Hilary Clinton....the list goes on and on irrespective of how different their political ideologies are. On top of that, our country gives more financial assistance to Israel than any other country in the world (including the ones we recently demolished) at a time when our own country is in economic decline, major American cities like Detroit are dying and Israel's GDP has tripled in just a decade. And no public outcry can be heard from the American people who are known to be especially xenophobic and tribal. Meanwhile, an entire political party (Republicans) keeps 20%-50% of its base by portraying Blacks and other minorities as leeches on the country and cause for its demise, yet you feel "race issues are taboo" while antisemitism is fine and dandy? What ****ing world do you live in?

This is absolutely true that US is supporting Israel on many levels. There is no government sponsored antisemitism in US like it was in Soviet Union or Spain, or Arab countries, etc. I am talking about the antisemitism among public figures, celebs, etc.
This people make antisemitic comments and other people ridicule them for this and rightfully so.
But we can discuss this subject without anybody asking us to shut up.
We know when antisemitism goes into the shadows it is time to pack the bags before it is too late and somebody will wont to do some kind of Final solution.
Some dude made racist comments.... OK... Lets talk about it. Lets state our opinion but not ask for his head. He may be was in the heat of the moment. Lets see what he is done in his life to really hurt people and if he did then apply the low or power of public opinion.
But first and foremost let people take this out. Help them to look in the mirror.

Name me a celebrity, public figure, etc. that has said anything remotely antisemitic and has gone unscathed. In the meantime, I could offer you a book filled with people that actually matter who have made a career in being anti-racial minority.