F500ONE wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Isn't Herring the guy that suddenly had know idea about how the cba worked and reported Melo was getting half of his money up front?

Why would that be relevant to a story with direct quotes from Melo?

Yeah, let's not question the intelligence of a guy who's busy bashing Melo with his own one-liners. Not relevant.

Please continue on to Mr. Barkley's thoughts and musings.

Feel free to question his intelligence. I never said otherwise. You should be intelligent enough to separate the author of the article from the quotes and judge the quotes on your own though.

Please take each quote (without the stupid snarky toolism that follows each one), and provide your calm, even-handed review of why any of those sentiments make Melo an azzhole?

Besides the remark from a post saying he was a D-Bag

Who else framed Melo this way

It's more of him not understanding how to conduct himself

During interviews, everyone knows it was a money grab

He shouldn't be the one telling us

He grabbed the money in a glorified fashion

Criticize Carmelo for the flaws in his game, for repeatedly putting his foot in his mouth, and even if you think he isn't smart. That's all fair game.

But let's remember is the owners and GM's who offer these ridiculous contracts to the players. Just because they take the money, and what, 99% of the sports players who Are offered these huge contracts take them because 99% of anyone would take that kind of money if offered. It's compete BS to imply otherwise.

When someone offers you a metric shyteload of money, deservingly or not, you take it. That's not a money grab. If it is then almost every NBA player is guilty of the same thing because id say the majority of all players are making more than they are actually worth. It's the nature of the system and it's more the GMs and owners fault than the players. Melo included.

So really, this is about Melos tact but even then we all KNOW it's all about the money! Why else would he sign here back with a team that went to the lottery this past summer when athletes are all supposed to never deviate from the "it's all about the winning" line? He did what we'd all do, admittedly or not. So fine, criticize someone for saying it isn't about the money when it is but don't pretend like Carmelo is doing something that other pro athletes don't do in getting as much cash as possible.

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Isn't Herring the guy that suddenly had know idea about how the cba worked and reported Melo was getting half of his money up front?

Why would that be relevant to a story with direct quotes from Melo?

Yeah, let's not question the intelligence of a guy who's busy bashing Melo with his own one-liners. Not relevant.

Please continue on to Mr. Barkley's thoughts and musings.

H1AND1 wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Isn't Herring the guy that suddenly had know idea about how the cba worked and reported Melo was getting half of his money up front?

Why would that be relevant to a story with direct quotes from Melo?

Yeah, let's not question the intelligence of a guy who's busy bashing Melo with his own one-liners. Not relevant.

Please continue on to Mr. Barkley's thoughts and musings.

Feel free to question his intelligence. I never said otherwise. You should be intelligent enough to separate the author of the article from the quotes and judge the quotes on your own though.

Please take each quote (without the stupid snarky toolism that follows each one), and provide your calm, even-handed review of why any of those sentiments make Melo an azzhole?

Besides the remark from a post saying he was a D-Bag

Who else framed Melo this way

It's more of him not understanding how to conduct himself

During interviews, everyone knows it was a money grab

He shouldn't be the one telling us

He grabbed the money in a glorified fashion

Criticize Carmelo for the flaws in his game, for repeatedly putting his foot in his mouth, and even if you think he isn't smart. That's all fair game.

But let's remember is the owners and GM's who offer these ridiculous contracts to the players. Just because they take the money, and what, 99% of the sports players who Are offered these huge contracts take them because 99% of anyone would take that kind of money if offered. It's compete BS to imply otherwise.

When someone offers you a metric shyteload of money, deservingly or not, you take it. That's not a money grab. If it is then almost every NBA player is guilty of the same thing because id say the majority of all players are making more than they are actually worth. It's the nature of the system and it's more the GMs and owners fault than the players. Melo included.

So really, this is about Melos tact but even then we all KNOW it's all about the money! Why else would he sign here back with a team that went to the lottery this past summer when athletes are all supposed to never deviate from the "it's all about the winning" line? He did what we'd all do, admittedly or not. So fine, criticize someone for saying it isn't about the money when it is but don't pretend like Carmelo is doing something that other pro athletes don't do in getting as much cash as possible.

it's a negotiation. that means two parties, two agendas that may or may not overlap, and two "leverage quotients."

dk7th wrote:i mean, these tweets are quoting carmelo anthony himself! a lot of doubletalk, forked tongue, lip service. the dude is a D-O-U-C-H-E DOUCHE. he'd better have a monster year and not open his piehole once.

So I guess it's your job to be the morality police....sitting here on a computer/phone....while unproductively reading/posting on a fan message board and pretending to be some higher moral authority who's never said nor done anything stupid in life.....nor never ever acted like a douche.

H1AND1 wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Isn't Herring the guy that suddenly had know idea about how the cba worked and reported Melo was getting half of his money up front?

Why would that be relevant to a story with direct quotes from Melo?

Yeah, let's not question the intelligence of a guy who's busy bashing Melo with his own one-liners. Not relevant.

Please continue on to Mr. Barkley's thoughts and musings.

Feel free to question his intelligence. I never said otherwise. You should be intelligent enough to separate the author of the article from the quotes and judge the quotes on your own though.

Please take each quote (without the stupid snarky toolism that follows each one), and provide your calm, even-handed review of why any of those sentiments make Melo an azzhole?

Besides the remark from a post saying he was a D-Bag

Who else framed Melo this way

It's more of him not understanding how to conduct himself

During interviews, everyone knows it was a money grab

He shouldn't be the one telling us

He grabbed the money in a glorified fashion

Criticize Carmelo for the flaws in his game, for repeatedly putting his foot in his mouth, and even if you think he isn't smart. That's all fair game.

But let's remember is the owners and GM's who offer these ridiculous contracts to the players. Just because they take the money, and what, 99% of the sports players who Are offered these huge contracts take them because 99% of anyone would take that kind of money if offered. It's compete BS to imply otherwise.

When someone offers you a metric shyteload of money, deservingly or not, you take it. That's not a money grab. If it is then almost every NBA player is guilty of the same thing because id say the majority of all players are making more than they are actually worth. It's the nature of the system and it's more the GMs and owners fault than the players. Melo included.

So really, this is about Melos tact but even then we all KNOW it's all about the money! Why else would he sign here back with a team that went to the lottery this past summer when athletes are all supposed to never deviate from the "it's all about the winning" line? He did what we'd all do, admittedly or not. So fine, criticize someone for saying it isn't about the money when it is but don't pretend like Carmelo is doing something that other pro athletes don't do in getting as much cash as possible.

Did I say Athletes aren't about the money?

In discussions about our Free Agency

Outlook next year I've gone on record saying

Free agents will not give us a discount

They will more than likely take all the money

Although there could be other factors, if they happen to sign here

Melo has gone on record early this season

Implying he signed back because love of city

And his implicit trust in Phil

But as he continues to talk, I think

This may his 3rd time speaking on it

He speaks more and more it was about the money

And each time he grows more confident telling us this

All he had to do at first crack keep it authentic

Mention he doesn't want this topic to be a distraction

Refrain from speaking on it

His continued questioning speaks to his lack of transparency and

Lack of respect from the media

dk7th wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

dk7th wrote:i mean, these tweets are quoting carmelo anthony himself! a lot of doubletalk, forked tongue, lip service. the dude is a D-O-U-C-H-E DOUCHE. he'd better have a monster year and not open his piehole once.

So I guess it's your job to be the morality police....sitting here on a computer/phone....while unproductively reading/posting on a fan message board and pretending to be some higher moral authority who's never said nor done anything stupid in life.....nor never ever acted like a douche.

same challenge to you, mother teresa: explain his own words in such a way that they don't convey douchebaggery

Great. The board douchebag providing neverending douchemeter services for every utterance, smirk, look and eyeroll from Melo for the next 5 years. Wonderful. Fan-Effing-tastic genius. Try flushing some vinegar and water in your own pie/cakehole, since you seem so obsessed with the concept.

F500ONE wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Here is the actual interview. It is 24 minutes long and a lot of topics are discussed.
http://mobile.bloomberg.com/video/carmelo-anthony-on-knicks-business-investments-NiEyI1S1S9Ck5O7gMFWaVA.html

Your link doesn't work

http://www.bloomberg.com/video/carmelo-anthony-on-knicks-business-investments-NiEyI1S1S9Ck5O7gMFWaVA.html

Doesn't sound like Herring misrepresented in his Tweets

A guy who can't be trusted right

Herring gave us fairly accurate Cliff Notes

You watch the long winded version

It's more apparent he's about the money

Seems like he's taking this venture capitalist real serious

Even more so possibly than winning a championship

Really focused on branding

It's up in the air to determine if his primary focus

Are clearly in a good space or is he somewhat distracted

With too many irons on the skillet

The link works for me but thanks for providing another link to the interview.

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

dk7th wrote:i mean, these tweets are quoting carmelo anthony himself! a lot of doubletalk, forked tongue, lip service. the dude is a D-O-U-C-H-E DOUCHE. he'd better have a monster year and not open his piehole once.

So I guess it's your job to be the morality police....sitting here on a computer/phone....while unproductively reading/posting on a fan message board and pretending to be some higher moral authority who's never said nor done anything stupid in life.....nor never ever acted like a douche.

same challenge to you, mother teresa: explain his own words in such a way that they don't convey douchebaggery

Watch the interview. See what questions he is responding to. The two partial quotes from Herring from a 24 minute interview taken without the context of the dialogue going on is not something you should judge the guy on in my opinion. In the past Herring's agenda has been to be provocative at Melo's expense.

i watched the first 16 minutes or so. i get the picture. first off, he doesn't sound quite as dumb as i remember him being. second, lets face it this is a fluff piece on the order of slow-pitch softball.

that said, i have to say he is entitled to "build his brand via social media," no question. in fact i applaud that, because i don't like the "40-million dollar slave" ethos that has pervaded the entire realm of pro athletics, particularly concerning african-american males since time immemorial. good for melo.

however...

his "day job" is to win in the nba-- not merely "play" but win. so my problem is that he took too much money to be this business entrepreneur and it has compromised his ability to create a situation where he can win at his day job.

in short, he STILL cares more about money than winning!

RonRon wrote:I don't see why CA had to open his mouth about being a DIGITAL athelete, adding in him almost leaving Knicks but felt it was a better business opportunity to stay, yes we all know his % of winning is much higher had he left to Chicago
In a sense, he is already saying that he doesn't believe in his current team mates, even though he may be right, it just isn't needed to say these statements
Ultimately, MONEY both on and off the court meant more to him, not that anything is wrong with that, but it doesn't need to be said

Yes, I love that he is willing to take the risk, accept the challenge to WIN in NYK, and willingness to trust in Phil Jackson to make changes, but he just made some un needed statements that shows he is looking out for HIS OWN BEST INTEREST

CrushAlot wrote:

RonRon wrote:I don't see why CA had to open his mouth about being a DIGITAL athelete, adding in him almost leaving Knicks but felt it was a better business opportunity to stay, yes we all know his % of winning is much higher had he left to Chicago
In a sense, he is already saying that he doesn't believe in his current team mates, even though he may be right, it just isn't needed to say these statements
Ultimately, MONEY both on and off the court meant more to him, not that anything is wrong with that, but it doesn't need to be said

Yes, I love that he is willing to take the risk, accept the challenge to WIN in NYK, and willingness to trust in Phil Jackson to make changes, but he just made some un needed statements that shows he is looking out for HIS OWN BEST INTEREST

I watched the whole video and I don't remember him saying he almost left the Knicks but I might have missed it. In regards to being a digital athlete I believe it was when they were talking about how the stereotypical athlete just sells sneakers and he voiced that he wanted to be more than that.

Remember he's spoken several times this offseason

About his free agency, which is my current gripe with him

Speak his peace once and let it be final

Here's what he said in another interview

And no they don't have to be all rolled in one

"I want to win. I don't care about the money," Anthony told ESPN.com. "I believe Phil will do what he has to do to take care of that.

"I don't think we're that far away," he added. "People use 'rebuilding' too loosely."

In what were believed to be Anthony's first public comments since agreeing to a five-year deal worth $124 million earlier this month, he told ESPN.com that the decision was so agonizing in the final days that he could not watch TV or go on the Internet.

"It was overwhelming," Anthony said. "It was stressful in the final days, one of the hardest decisions I've ever had to make."

Anthony said, though, it ultimately came down to New York and Chicago.

"I was flip-flopping," he admitted. "It was hard. It was Chicago, but then after I met with L.A., it was L.A. But it came back to Chicago -- and was pretty much always Chicago or New York. That's a situation where I could have walked in now to an opportunity to compete for the next however many years."

You see the double talk here right?

There's no confusion what he's said