knickscity wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knickscity wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:The chronic Melo Bash is about as pathetic as the homer melo Apologist.

There are so many variables to each individual player and circumstance its sad to think they are not members of teams and the influence those variables play.

Love is going to play with Kyrie and Lebron. Melo came to play with Billups and Landry.

I hated the Melo trade and use to bang on the guy for his fitness but the crap that guys post about him has me constantly defending him. I think many of the 'Melo Apologists' are responding to the ridiculousness of the stuff posted about Melo. Also, I watch almost every game and the guy is really good and plays really hard.

exactly... this is what people dont get. You get stupid post after stupid post and you call it out and your a homer. Knicks dont have a winning season for a decade, get Melo and go to the playoffs 3 straight years and get better ever year and you have Guns etc posting stuff like nothing has been accomplished.

Was the expectation to get Melo and just go the finals every year? No other pieces needed right?

It only counts if the team is doing things they agree with. They have this love affair with building a team is through the draft. Since we gave up draft picks (no matter how damaged and worthless) to get a superstar player we are doing it in a way they do not agree with. So at this point it has nothing to do with wanting the Knicks to win. It has to do with winning their way.

You are missing the point if you think it's simply about building through the draft. We emptied the cupboard of every asset to get Carmelo here. Surrounding him with enough talent became impossible because we did not have young players and picks to trade. It looks like Phil plans on holding into hose assets. Something the Knicks have refused to do in heir history.

As far as Melo we wi just let things play out on the court. It better work because he is virtually untradeable at that price and the fact that he put a no trade Claus in his contract. It better work. They got 5yrs

again..... just totally totally false. I didnt like the trade at the time, mostly because Felton was playing career ball under MDA and Billups was a terrible fit as a walk it up half court guy

The Nuggets traded Melo to the New York Knicks tonight, a league source said. Denver gets Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors' 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors' 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.

Anthony will go to New York, along with Chauncey Billups, Shelden Williams, Anthony Carter and Renaldo Balkman.

Lets review the championship pieces we are dying without since the Melo trade:
Wil Chandler: nice role player, never healthy
Gallo: nice role player, never healthy, bad contract
Mozgov: love him.. what can I say? But he's a role player fringe starter at best
2 second rounders (got those back with Felton/Chandler deal)
1 first rounder

So please... pretty please... just stop it. Give me a freakin break. Knicks lost ALL the key players to a 29 win team. End of story. Time to get over it and stop pretending we traded Durant and Lebron first rounders. It didnt happen. If pretending it does makes you feel warm and fuzzy try smoking weed. Its safer and will yield better results.

"29 win team"

skippy why are you lying? the knicks were 28-26 at the time of the swindle and were a lock for 7th or 8th seed for the playoffs in 2010-2011. had he kept his mouth shut and waited for free agency the knicks would have been and still would be in a far better position.

lol... nice try. fail.

I'm confused by the "29 win team" talk as well....did you exopect the Knicks to only win 1 more game the rest of the way?

But it matter none. Carmelo HIMSELF said he knew the team would have to rebuild when they traded for him....not retool, but rebuild.

The player himself is admitting the team was gutted.

That Knicks team had Amare playing at an MVP level. With injured Amare, we were looking at a 30 win or less team moving forward.

Let me make sure i got this....the Knicks were 28-26 when melo arrived, even without melo are you expecting to win only 1 or 2 games that year? Keep in mind we arent talking about the years after, just that year.

He said that they were a 29 win team - why is everyone being so thick and petty? They were a 29 win team since Amare was done? What is the issue with this?

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knickscity wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:The chronic Melo Bash is about as pathetic as the homer melo Apologist.

There are so many variables to each individual player and circumstance its sad to think they are not members of teams and the influence those variables play.

Love is going to play with Kyrie and Lebron. Melo came to play with Billups and Landry.

I hated the Melo trade and use to bang on the guy for his fitness but the crap that guys post about him has me constantly defending him. I think many of the 'Melo Apologists' are responding to the ridiculousness of the stuff posted about Melo. Also, I watch almost every game and the guy is really good and plays really hard.

exactly... this is what people dont get. You get stupid post after stupid post and you call it out and your a homer. Knicks dont have a winning season for a decade, get Melo and go to the playoffs 3 straight years and get better ever year and you have Guns etc posting stuff like nothing has been accomplished.

Was the expectation to get Melo and just go the finals every year? No other pieces needed right?

It only counts if the team is doing things they agree with. They have this love affair with building a team is through the draft. Since we gave up draft picks (no matter how damaged and worthless) to get a superstar player we are doing it in a way they do not agree with. So at this point it has nothing to do with wanting the Knicks to win. It has to do with winning their way.

You are missing the point if you think it's simply about building through the draft. We emptied the cupboard of every asset to get Carmelo here. Surrounding him with enough talent became impossible because we did not have young players and picks to trade. It looks like Phil plans on holding into hose assets. Something the Knicks have refused to do in heir history.

As far as Melo we wi just let things play out on the court. It better work because he is virtually untradeable at that price and the fact that he put a no trade Claus in his contract. It better work. They got 5yrs

again..... just totally totally false. I didnt like the trade at the time, mostly because Felton was playing career ball under MDA and Billups was a terrible fit as a walk it up half court guy

The Nuggets traded Melo to the New York Knicks tonight, a league source said. Denver gets Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors' 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors' 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.

Anthony will go to New York, along with Chauncey Billups, Shelden Williams, Anthony Carter and Renaldo Balkman.

Lets review the championship pieces we are dying without since the Melo trade:
Wil Chandler: nice role player, never healthy
Gallo: nice role player, never healthy, bad contract
Mozgov: love him.. what can I say? But he's a role player fringe starter at best
2 second rounders (got those back with Felton/Chandler deal)
1 first rounder

So please... pretty please... just stop it. Give me a freakin break. Knicks lost ALL the key players to a 29 win team. End of story. Time to get over it and stop pretending we traded Durant and Lebron first rounders. It didnt happen. If pretending it does makes you feel warm and fuzzy try smoking weed. Its safer and will yield better results.

"29 win team"

skippy why are you lying? the knicks were 28-26 at the time of the swindle and were a lock for 7th or 8th seed for the playoffs in 2010-2011. had he kept his mouth shut and waited for free agency the knicks would have been and still would be in a far better position.

lol... nice try. fail.

I'm confused by the "29 win team" talk as well....did you exopect the Knicks to only win 1 more game the rest of the way?

But it matter none. Carmelo HIMSELF said he knew the team would have to rebuild when they traded for him....not retool, but rebuild.

The player himself is admitting the team was gutted.

That Knicks team had Amare playing at an MVP level. With injured Amare, we were looking at a 30 win or less team moving forward.

Let me make sure i got this....the Knicks were 28-26 when melo arrived, even without melo are you expecting to win only 1 or 2 games that year? Keep in mind we arent talking about the years after, just that year.

He said that they were a 29 win team - why is everyone being so thick and petty? They were a 29 win team since Amare was done? What is the issue with this?

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knickscity wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:The chronic Melo Bash is about as pathetic as the homer melo Apologist.

There are so many variables to each individual player and circumstance its sad to think they are not members of teams and the influence those variables play.

Love is going to play with Kyrie and Lebron. Melo came to play with Billups and Landry.

I hated the Melo trade and use to bang on the guy for his fitness but the crap that guys post about him has me constantly defending him. I think many of the 'Melo Apologists' are responding to the ridiculousness of the stuff posted about Melo. Also, I watch almost every game and the guy is really good and plays really hard.

exactly... this is what people dont get. You get stupid post after stupid post and you call it out and your a homer. Knicks dont have a winning season for a decade, get Melo and go to the playoffs 3 straight years and get better ever year and you have Guns etc posting stuff like nothing has been accomplished.

Was the expectation to get Melo and just go the finals every year? No other pieces needed right?

It only counts if the team is doing things they agree with. They have this love affair with building a team is through the draft. Since we gave up draft picks (no matter how damaged and worthless) to get a superstar player we are doing it in a way they do not agree with. So at this point it has nothing to do with wanting the Knicks to win. It has to do with winning their way.

You are missing the point if you think it's simply about building through the draft. We emptied the cupboard of every asset to get Carmelo here. Surrounding him with enough talent became impossible because we did not have young players and picks to trade. It looks like Phil plans on holding into hose assets. Something the Knicks have refused to do in heir history.

As far as Melo we wi just let things play out on the court. It better work because he is virtually untradeable at that price and the fact that he put a no trade Claus in his contract. It better work. They got 5yrs

again..... just totally totally false. I didnt like the trade at the time, mostly because Felton was playing career ball under MDA and Billups was a terrible fit as a walk it up half court guy

The Nuggets traded Melo to the New York Knicks tonight, a league source said. Denver gets Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors' 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors' 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.

Anthony will go to New York, along with Chauncey Billups, Shelden Williams, Anthony Carter and Renaldo Balkman.

Lets review the championship pieces we are dying without since the Melo trade:
Wil Chandler: nice role player, never healthy
Gallo: nice role player, never healthy, bad contract
Mozgov: love him.. what can I say? But he's a role player fringe starter at best
2 second rounders (got those back with Felton/Chandler deal)
1 first rounder

So please... pretty please... just stop it. Give me a freakin break. Knicks lost ALL the key players to a 29 win team. End of story. Time to get over it and stop pretending we traded Durant and Lebron first rounders. It didnt happen. If pretending it does makes you feel warm and fuzzy try smoking weed. Its safer and will yield better results.

"29 win team"

skippy why are you lying? the knicks were 28-26 at the time of the swindle and were a lock for 7th or 8th seed for the playoffs in 2010-2011. had he kept his mouth shut and waited for free agency the knicks would have been and still would be in a far better position.

lol... nice try. fail.

I'm confused by the "29 win team" talk as well....did you exopect the Knicks to only win 1 more game the rest of the way?

But it matter none. Carmelo HIMSELF said he knew the team would have to rebuild when they traded for him....not retool, but rebuild.

The player himself is admitting the team was gutted.

That Knicks team had Amare playing at an MVP level. With injured Amare, we were looking at a 30 win or less team moving forward.

Amare was already gassed and the team nose diving.

even without amare the team merely had to go 10-18 to make the 8th seed. what's your point here?

knickscity wrote:I get it now, the Knicks would have not won more than 2 games the rest of the way that year AND the cap space they did have they werent gonna use to improve the team.

Thus a 29 win team.

Now I understand.

not so much

you extrapolate what you feel makes sense

dk7th wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knickscity wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:The chronic Melo Bash is about as pathetic as the homer melo Apologist.

There are so many variables to each individual player and circumstance its sad to think they are not members of teams and the influence those variables play.

Love is going to play with Kyrie and Lebron. Melo came to play with Billups and Landry.

I hated the Melo trade and use to bang on the guy for his fitness but the crap that guys post about him has me constantly defending him. I think many of the 'Melo Apologists' are responding to the ridiculousness of the stuff posted about Melo. Also, I watch almost every game and the guy is really good and plays really hard.

exactly... this is what people dont get. You get stupid post after stupid post and you call it out and your a homer. Knicks dont have a winning season for a decade, get Melo and go to the playoffs 3 straight years and get better ever year and you have Guns etc posting stuff like nothing has been accomplished.

Was the expectation to get Melo and just go the finals every year? No other pieces needed right?

It only counts if the team is doing things they agree with. They have this love affair with building a team is through the draft. Since we gave up draft picks (no matter how damaged and worthless) to get a superstar player we are doing it in a way they do not agree with. So at this point it has nothing to do with wanting the Knicks to win. It has to do with winning their way.

You are missing the point if you think it's simply about building through the draft. We emptied the cupboard of every asset to get Carmelo here. Surrounding him with enough talent became impossible because we did not have young players and picks to trade. It looks like Phil plans on holding into hose assets. Something the Knicks have refused to do in heir history.

As far as Melo we wi just let things play out on the court. It better work because he is virtually untradeable at that price and the fact that he put a no trade Claus in his contract. It better work. They got 5yrs

again..... just totally totally false. I didnt like the trade at the time, mostly because Felton was playing career ball under MDA and Billups was a terrible fit as a walk it up half court guy

The Nuggets traded Melo to the New York Knicks tonight, a league source said. Denver gets Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors' 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors' 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.

Anthony will go to New York, along with Chauncey Billups, Shelden Williams, Anthony Carter and Renaldo Balkman.

Lets review the championship pieces we are dying without since the Melo trade:
Wil Chandler: nice role player, never healthy
Gallo: nice role player, never healthy, bad contract
Mozgov: love him.. what can I say? But he's a role player fringe starter at best
2 second rounders (got those back with Felton/Chandler deal)
1 first rounder

So please... pretty please... just stop it. Give me a freakin break. Knicks lost ALL the key players to a 29 win team. End of story. Time to get over it and stop pretending we traded Durant and Lebron first rounders. It didnt happen. If pretending it does makes you feel warm and fuzzy try smoking weed. Its safer and will yield better results.

"29 win team"

skippy why are you lying? the knicks were 28-26 at the time of the swindle and were a lock for 7th or 8th seed for the playoffs in 2010-2011. had he kept his mouth shut and waited for free agency the knicks would have been and still would be in a far better position.

lol... nice try. fail.

I'm confused by the "29 win team" talk as well....did you exopect the Knicks to only win 1 more game the rest of the way?

But it matter none. Carmelo HIMSELF said he knew the team would have to rebuild when they traded for him....not retool, but rebuild.

The player himself is admitting the team was gutted.

That Knicks team had Amare playing at an MVP level. With injured Amare, we were looking at a 30 win or less team moving forward.

Amare was already gassed and the team nose diving.

even without amare the team merely had to go 10-18 to make the 8th seed. what's your point here?

yeah - they would have backed into the playoffs but as we both know, playoffs are meaningless if you stink and the way that team was playing was pretty stinky. Amare was gassed and Felton was bound to be Felton.

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:I get it now, the Knicks would have not won more than 2 games the rest of the way that year AND the cap space they did have they werent gonna use to improve the team.

Thus a 29 win team.

Now I understand.

not so much

you extrapolate what you feel makes sense

I know the chances of the team only winning 29 games that year was not happening.

That claim made no sense.

I don't think that is what he said or meant ... no need to argue about it though. Obviously they were winning > 29 games that season.

Really wasnt arguing, actually said i curious about the comment as well. I would like to know where that reasoning came from.

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knickscity wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:The chronic Melo Bash is about as pathetic as the homer melo Apologist.

There are so many variables to each individual player and circumstance its sad to think they are not members of teams and the influence those variables play.

Love is going to play with Kyrie and Lebron. Melo came to play with Billups and Landry.

I hated the Melo trade and use to bang on the guy for his fitness but the crap that guys post about him has me constantly defending him. I think many of the 'Melo Apologists' are responding to the ridiculousness of the stuff posted about Melo. Also, I watch almost every game and the guy is really good and plays really hard.

exactly... this is what people dont get. You get stupid post after stupid post and you call it out and your a homer. Knicks dont have a winning season for a decade, get Melo and go to the playoffs 3 straight years and get better ever year and you have Guns etc posting stuff like nothing has been accomplished.

Was the expectation to get Melo and just go the finals every year? No other pieces needed right?

It only counts if the team is doing things they agree with. They have this love affair with building a team is through the draft. Since we gave up draft picks (no matter how damaged and worthless) to get a superstar player we are doing it in a way they do not agree with. So at this point it has nothing to do with wanting the Knicks to win. It has to do with winning their way.

You are missing the point if you think it's simply about building through the draft. We emptied the cupboard of every asset to get Carmelo here. Surrounding him with enough talent became impossible because we did not have young players and picks to trade. It looks like Phil plans on holding into hose assets. Something the Knicks have refused to do in heir history.

As far as Melo we wi just let things play out on the court. It better work because he is virtually untradeable at that price and the fact that he put a no trade Claus in his contract. It better work. They got 5yrs

again..... just totally totally false. I didnt like the trade at the time, mostly because Felton was playing career ball under MDA and Billups was a terrible fit as a walk it up half court guy

The Nuggets traded Melo to the New York Knicks tonight, a league source said. Denver gets Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors' 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors' 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.

Anthony will go to New York, along with Chauncey Billups, Shelden Williams, Anthony Carter and Renaldo Balkman.

Lets review the championship pieces we are dying without since the Melo trade:
Wil Chandler: nice role player, never healthy
Gallo: nice role player, never healthy, bad contract
Mozgov: love him.. what can I say? But he's a role player fringe starter at best
2 second rounders (got those back with Felton/Chandler deal)
1 first rounder

So please... pretty please... just stop it. Give me a freakin break. Knicks lost ALL the key players to a 29 win team. End of story. Time to get over it and stop pretending we traded Durant and Lebron first rounders. It didnt happen. If pretending it does makes you feel warm and fuzzy try smoking weed. Its safer and will yield better results.

"29 win team"

skippy why are you lying? the knicks were 28-26 at the time of the swindle and were a lock for 7th or 8th seed for the playoffs in 2010-2011. had he kept his mouth shut and waited for free agency the knicks would have been and still would be in a far better position.

lol... nice try. fail.

I'm confused by the "29 win team" talk as well....did you exopect the Knicks to only win 1 more game the rest of the way?

But it matter none. Carmelo HIMSELF said he knew the team would have to rebuild when they traded for him....not retool, but rebuild.

The player himself is admitting the team was gutted.

That Knicks team had Amare playing at an MVP level. With injured Amare, we were looking at a 30 win or less team moving forward.

Amare was already gassed and the team nose diving.

even without amare the team merely had to go 10-18 to make the 8th seed. what's your point here?

yeah - they would have backed into the playoffs but as we both know, playoffs are meaningless if you stink and the way that team was playing was pretty stinky. Amare was gassed and Felton was bound to be Felton.

Yeah because we finished the season blazing 14-14 after the trade

While making violent noise in the playoffs exiting the first round

mreinman wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knickscity wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:The chronic Melo Bash is about as pathetic as the homer melo Apologist.

There are so many variables to each individual player and circumstance its sad to think they are not members of teams and the influence those variables play.

Love is going to play with Kyrie and Lebron. Melo came to play with Billups and Landry.

I hated the Melo trade and use to bang on the guy for his fitness but the crap that guys post about him has me constantly defending him. I think many of the 'Melo Apologists' are responding to the ridiculousness of the stuff posted about Melo. Also, I watch almost every game and the guy is really good and plays really hard.

exactly... this is what people dont get. You get stupid post after stupid post and you call it out and your a homer. Knicks dont have a winning season for a decade, get Melo and go to the playoffs 3 straight years and get better ever year and you have Guns etc posting stuff like nothing has been accomplished.

Was the expectation to get Melo and just go the finals every year? No other pieces needed right?

It only counts if the team is doing things they agree with. They have this love affair with building a team is through the draft. Since we gave up draft picks (no matter how damaged and worthless) to get a superstar player we are doing it in a way they do not agree with. So at this point it has nothing to do with wanting the Knicks to win. It has to do with winning their way.

You are missing the point if you think it's simply about building through the draft. We emptied the cupboard of every asset to get Carmelo here. Surrounding him with enough talent became impossible because we did not have young players and picks to trade. It looks like Phil plans on holding into hose assets. Something the Knicks have refused to do in heir history.

As far as Melo we wi just let things play out on the court. It better work because he is virtually untradeable at that price and the fact that he put a no trade Claus in his contract. It better work. They got 5yrs

again..... just totally totally false. I didnt like the trade at the time, mostly because Felton was playing career ball under MDA and Billups was a terrible fit as a walk it up half court guy

The Nuggets traded Melo to the New York Knicks tonight, a league source said. Denver gets Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors' 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors' 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.

Anthony will go to New York, along with Chauncey Billups, Shelden Williams, Anthony Carter and Renaldo Balkman.

Lets review the championship pieces we are dying without since the Melo trade:
Wil Chandler: nice role player, never healthy
Gallo: nice role player, never healthy, bad contract
Mozgov: love him.. what can I say? But he's a role player fringe starter at best
2 second rounders (got those back with Felton/Chandler deal)
1 first rounder

So please... pretty please... just stop it. Give me a freakin break. Knicks lost ALL the key players to a 29 win team. End of story. Time to get over it and stop pretending we traded Durant and Lebron first rounders. It didnt happen. If pretending it does makes you feel warm and fuzzy try smoking weed. Its safer and will yield better results.

"29 win team"

skippy why are you lying? the knicks were 28-26 at the time of the swindle and were a lock for 7th or 8th seed for the playoffs in 2010-2011. had he kept his mouth shut and waited for free agency the knicks would have been and still would be in a far better position.

lol... nice try. fail.

I'm confused by the "29 win team" talk as well....did you exopect the Knicks to only win 1 more game the rest of the way?

But it matter none. Carmelo HIMSELF said he knew the team would have to rebuild when they traded for him....not retool, but rebuild.

The player himself is admitting the team was gutted.

That Knicks team had Amare playing at an MVP level. With injured Amare, we were looking at a 30 win or less team moving forward.

Amare was already gassed and the team nose diving.

even without amare the team merely had to go 10-18 to make the 8th seed. what's your point here?

yeah - they would have backed into the playoffs but as we both know, playoffs are meaningless if you stink and the way that team was playing was pretty stinky. Amare was gassed and Felton was bound to be Felton.

Yeah because we finished the season blazing 14-14 after the trade

While making violent noise in the playoffs exiting the first round

who said we blazed? Violent noise? Did I say that? We can lay most of the blame there to our 100 million dollar stupid gamble.

Speaking of that playoff series i do recall Amare dominating in the 1st game and really was the only player doing so for the Knicks just as much as I recall Melo struggling shooting really bad which he's done in every other playoff series.

Trust me I dont think Melo's a bum, but I think he's quite suspect in the playoffs, certainly as a Knick.

He just doesnt rise to the ocassion overall, he just feels he has to shoot more, but his %'s have been terrible and that has NOTHING to do with who's on the floor with him.

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knickscity wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:The chronic Melo Bash is about as pathetic as the homer melo Apologist.

There are so many variables to each individual player and circumstance its sad to think they are not members of teams and the influence those variables play.

Love is going to play with Kyrie and Lebron. Melo came to play with Billups and Landry.

I hated the Melo trade and use to bang on the guy for his fitness but the crap that guys post about him has me constantly defending him. I think many of the 'Melo Apologists' are responding to the ridiculousness of the stuff posted about Melo. Also, I watch almost every game and the guy is really good and plays really hard.

exactly... this is what people dont get. You get stupid post after stupid post and you call it out and your a homer. Knicks dont have a winning season for a decade, get Melo and go to the playoffs 3 straight years and get better ever year and you have Guns etc posting stuff like nothing has been accomplished.

Was the expectation to get Melo and just go the finals every year? No other pieces needed right?

It only counts if the team is doing things they agree with. They have this love affair with building a team is through the draft. Since we gave up draft picks (no matter how damaged and worthless) to get a superstar player we are doing it in a way they do not agree with. So at this point it has nothing to do with wanting the Knicks to win. It has to do with winning their way.

You are missing the point if you think it's simply about building through the draft. We emptied the cupboard of every asset to get Carmelo here. Surrounding him with enough talent became impossible because we did not have young players and picks to trade. It looks like Phil plans on holding into hose assets. Something the Knicks have refused to do in heir history.

As far as Melo we wi just let things play out on the court. It better work because he is virtually untradeable at that price and the fact that he put a no trade Claus in his contract. It better work. They got 5yrs

again..... just totally totally false. I didnt like the trade at the time, mostly because Felton was playing career ball under MDA and Billups was a terrible fit as a walk it up half court guy

The Nuggets traded Melo to the New York Knicks tonight, a league source said. Denver gets Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors' 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors' 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.

Anthony will go to New York, along with Chauncey Billups, Shelden Williams, Anthony Carter and Renaldo Balkman.

Lets review the championship pieces we are dying without since the Melo trade:
Wil Chandler: nice role player, never healthy
Gallo: nice role player, never healthy, bad contract
Mozgov: love him.. what can I say? But he's a role player fringe starter at best
2 second rounders (got those back with Felton/Chandler deal)
1 first rounder

So please... pretty please... just stop it. Give me a freakin break. Knicks lost ALL the key players to a 29 win team. End of story. Time to get over it and stop pretending we traded Durant and Lebron first rounders. It didnt happen. If pretending it does makes you feel warm and fuzzy try smoking weed. Its safer and will yield better results.

"29 win team"

skippy why are you lying? the knicks were 28-26 at the time of the swindle and were a lock for 7th or 8th seed for the playoffs in 2010-2011. had he kept his mouth shut and waited for free agency the knicks would have been and still would be in a far better position.

lol... nice try. fail.

I'm confused by the "29 win team" talk as well....did you exopect the Knicks to only win 1 more game the rest of the way?

But it matter none. Carmelo HIMSELF said he knew the team would have to rebuild when they traded for him....not retool, but rebuild.

The player himself is admitting the team was gutted.

That Knicks team had Amare playing at an MVP level. With injured Amare, we were looking at a 30 win or less team moving forward.

Amare was already gassed and the team nose diving.

even without amare the team merely had to go 10-18 to make the 8th seed. what's your point here?

yeah - they would have backed into the playoffs but as we both know, playoffs are meaningless if you stink and the way that team was playing was pretty stinky. Amare was gassed and Felton was bound to be Felton.

Yeah because we finished the season blazing 14-14 after the trade

While making violent noise in the playoffs exiting the first round

who said we blazed? Violent noise? Did I say that? We can lay most of the blame there to our 100 million dollar stupid gamble.

Really they can all take some blame. Whether it's most or a little.

Speaking of that playoff series i do recall Amare dominating in the 1st game and really was the only player doing so for the Knicks just as much as I recall Melo struggling shooting really bad which he's done in every other playoff series.

Trust me I dont think Melo's a bum, but I think he's quite suspect in the playoffs, certainly as a Knick.

He just doesnt rise to the ocassion overall, he just feels he has to shoot more, but his %'s have been terrible and that has NOTHING to do with who's on the floor with him.

I agree with most of what you said but it certainly makes a diff who you are playing with. If you are playing with Baron Davis, Mike Bibby and Tony Douglass, you are gonna feel the need to shoot more.

Does not excuse his awful shot selection though. I would probably have rather he sat out like Lin, Amare and Flu. It was not pretty to watch.

F500ONE wrote:

mreinman wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knickscity wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:The chronic Melo Bash is about as pathetic as the homer melo Apologist.

There are so many variables to each individual player and circumstance its sad to think they are not members of teams and the influence those variables play.

Love is going to play with Kyrie and Lebron. Melo came to play with Billups and Landry.

I hated the Melo trade and use to bang on the guy for his fitness but the crap that guys post about him has me constantly defending him. I think many of the 'Melo Apologists' are responding to the ridiculousness of the stuff posted about Melo. Also, I watch almost every game and the guy is really good and plays really hard.

exactly... this is what people dont get. You get stupid post after stupid post and you call it out and your a homer. Knicks dont have a winning season for a decade, get Melo and go to the playoffs 3 straight years and get better ever year and you have Guns etc posting stuff like nothing has been accomplished.

Was the expectation to get Melo and just go the finals every year? No other pieces needed right?

It only counts if the team is doing things they agree with. They have this love affair with building a team is through the draft. Since we gave up draft picks (no matter how damaged and worthless) to get a superstar player we are doing it in a way they do not agree with. So at this point it has nothing to do with wanting the Knicks to win. It has to do with winning their way.

You are missing the point if you think it's simply about building through the draft. We emptied the cupboard of every asset to get Carmelo here. Surrounding him with enough talent became impossible because we did not have young players and picks to trade. It looks like Phil plans on holding into hose assets. Something the Knicks have refused to do in heir history.

As far as Melo we wi just let things play out on the court. It better work because he is virtually untradeable at that price and the fact that he put a no trade Claus in his contract. It better work. They got 5yrs

again..... just totally totally false. I didnt like the trade at the time, mostly because Felton was playing career ball under MDA and Billups was a terrible fit as a walk it up half court guy

The Nuggets traded Melo to the New York Knicks tonight, a league source said. Denver gets Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors' 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors' 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.

Anthony will go to New York, along with Chauncey Billups, Shelden Williams, Anthony Carter and Renaldo Balkman.

Lets review the championship pieces we are dying without since the Melo trade:
Wil Chandler: nice role player, never healthy
Gallo: nice role player, never healthy, bad contract
Mozgov: love him.. what can I say? But he's a role player fringe starter at best
2 second rounders (got those back with Felton/Chandler deal)
1 first rounder

So please... pretty please... just stop it. Give me a freakin break. Knicks lost ALL the key players to a 29 win team. End of story. Time to get over it and stop pretending we traded Durant and Lebron first rounders. It didnt happen. If pretending it does makes you feel warm and fuzzy try smoking weed. Its safer and will yield better results.

"29 win team"

skippy why are you lying? the knicks were 28-26 at the time of the swindle and were a lock for 7th or 8th seed for the playoffs in 2010-2011. had he kept his mouth shut and waited for free agency the knicks would have been and still would be in a far better position.

lol... nice try. fail.

I'm confused by the "29 win team" talk as well....did you exopect the Knicks to only win 1 more game the rest of the way?

But it matter none. Carmelo HIMSELF said he knew the team would have to rebuild when they traded for him....not retool, but rebuild.

The player himself is admitting the team was gutted.

That Knicks team had Amare playing at an MVP level. With injured Amare, we were looking at a 30 win or less team moving forward.

Amare was already gassed and the team nose diving.

even without amare the team merely had to go 10-18 to make the 8th seed. what's your point here?

yeah - they would have backed into the playoffs but as we both know, playoffs are meaningless if you stink and the way that team was playing was pretty stinky. Amare was gassed and Felton was bound to be Felton.

Yeah because we finished the season blazing 14-14 after the trade

While making violent noise in the playoffs exiting the first round

who said we blazed? Violent noise? Did I say that? We can lay most of the blame there to our 100 million dollar stupid gamble.

All I'm saying 14-14 is no better than what we probably would have finished

The main reason for the trade/////

Melo makes up for what was lost[players given to Denver] and what was lost[Amare awful contract]

In the end we traveled from one bad contract to another

You see Amare contract didn't stop us from getting Melo

Melo's contract/trade has prevented us from getting

a Melo or Amare or in a dream world scenario talent

While the competition's world becomes organically better with talent

I don't agree.

Could we not have gotten Lowry instead of Bargs?

How about Not getting Chandler and wasting our Amnesty?

We blew our chances after the Melo trade because we needed to starphuck the next year.

How about a core of Milsap, Melo and Lowry?

Pre and Post Melo trade moves were awful.

mreinman wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

mreinman wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knickscity wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:The chronic Melo Bash is about as pathetic as the homer melo Apologist.

There are so many variables to each individual player and circumstance its sad to think they are not members of teams and the influence those variables play.

Love is going to play with Kyrie and Lebron. Melo came to play with Billups and Landry.

I hated the Melo trade and use to bang on the guy for his fitness but the crap that guys post about him has me constantly defending him. I think many of the 'Melo Apologists' are responding to the ridiculousness of the stuff posted about Melo. Also, I watch almost every game and the guy is really good and plays really hard.

exactly... this is what people dont get. You get stupid post after stupid post and you call it out and your a homer. Knicks dont have a winning season for a decade, get Melo and go to the playoffs 3 straight years and get better ever year and you have Guns etc posting stuff like nothing has been accomplished.

Was the expectation to get Melo and just go the finals every year? No other pieces needed right?

It only counts if the team is doing things they agree with. They have this love affair with building a team is through the draft. Since we gave up draft picks (no matter how damaged and worthless) to get a superstar player we are doing it in a way they do not agree with. So at this point it has nothing to do with wanting the Knicks to win. It has to do with winning their way.

You are missing the point if you think it's simply about building through the draft. We emptied the cupboard of every asset to get Carmelo here. Surrounding him with enough talent became impossible because we did not have young players and picks to trade. It looks like Phil plans on holding into hose assets. Something the Knicks have refused to do in heir history.

As far as Melo we wi just let things play out on the court. It better work because he is virtually untradeable at that price and the fact that he put a no trade Claus in his contract. It better work. They got 5yrs

again..... just totally totally false. I didnt like the trade at the time, mostly because Felton was playing career ball under MDA and Billups was a terrible fit as a walk it up half court guy

The Nuggets traded Melo to the New York Knicks tonight, a league source said. Denver gets Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors' 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors' 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.

Anthony will go to New York, along with Chauncey Billups, Shelden Williams, Anthony Carter and Renaldo Balkman.

Lets review the championship pieces we are dying without since the Melo trade:
Wil Chandler: nice role player, never healthy
Gallo: nice role player, never healthy, bad contract
Mozgov: love him.. what can I say? But he's a role player fringe starter at best
2 second rounders (got those back with Felton/Chandler deal)
1 first rounder

So please... pretty please... just stop it. Give me a freakin break. Knicks lost ALL the key players to a 29 win team. End of story. Time to get over it and stop pretending we traded Durant and Lebron first rounders. It didnt happen. If pretending it does makes you feel warm and fuzzy try smoking weed. Its safer and will yield better results.

"29 win team"

skippy why are you lying? the knicks were 28-26 at the time of the swindle and were a lock for 7th or 8th seed for the playoffs in 2010-2011. had he kept his mouth shut and waited for free agency the knicks would have been and still would be in a far better position.

lol... nice try. fail.

I'm confused by the "29 win team" talk as well....did you exopect the Knicks to only win 1 more game the rest of the way?

But it matter none. Carmelo HIMSELF said he knew the team would have to rebuild when they traded for him....not retool, but rebuild.

The player himself is admitting the team was gutted.

That Knicks team had Amare playing at an MVP level. With injured Amare, we were looking at a 30 win or less team moving forward.

Amare was already gassed and the team nose diving.

even without amare the team merely had to go 10-18 to make the 8th seed. what's your point here?

yeah - they would have backed into the playoffs but as we both know, playoffs are meaningless if you stink and the way that team was playing was pretty stinky. Amare was gassed and Felton was bound to be Felton.

Yeah because we finished the season blazing 14-14 after the trade

While making violent noise in the playoffs exiting the first round

who said we blazed? Violent noise? Did I say that? We can lay most of the blame there to our 100 million dollar stupid gamble.

All I'm saying 14-14 is no better than what we probably would have finished

The main reason for the trade/////

Melo makes up for what was lost[players given to Denver] and what was lost[Amare awful contract]

In the end we traveled from one bad contract to another

You see Amare contract didn't stop us from getting Melo

Melo's contract/trade has prevented us from getting

a Melo or Amare or in a dream world scenario talent

While the competition's world becomes organically better with talent

I don't agree.

Could we not have gotten Lowry instead of Bargs?

How about Not getting Chandler and wasting our Amnesty?

We blew our chances after the Melo trade because we needed to starphuck the next year.

How about a core of Milsap, Melo and Lowry?

Pre and Post Melo trade moves were awful.

but the melo move was the greatest acquisition since debusscherre. okey dokey