foosballnick wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:So the Tyler era is over, and the Ellington era was aborted.

Phisher had to see something in the SL practices and games that they did not like- don't think they would have been so quick to sign Aldrich and then Smith if Tyler had shown them anything.

You never had the feeling that Tyler, with all his great physical ability, could consistently play like a 6'11" player. Should have come in with some new moves in the post, and not rely on his jumper, which is actually great for a big man. I also don't think that Phil and Fish thought he could move the ball around and make decisions they way they wanted him to in the Triangle.

Feel bad losing him, because he's a young guy with potential, but the Knicks want people who can contribute now, I suppose.
Not an Outlaw fan, just a wasted spot on the roster if he is on the team- always looked a bit sickly to me.

Saw Acy have a decent game- probably the one he had against the Knicks, but I have never followed him. Maybe Fisher puts him in when the Knicks are getting pushed around.

Fisher would have seen him play a number of times over the last two years...maybe he saw some things he like when Acy was an opponent.

Hope he keeps the beard.

From what I can see, by the way, Acy has a team option for THIS year as well as next year. When do the Knicks have to pick up the option or let him go?? Has anyone heard whether they are just going to let him go?

Having a hard time understanding why people keep referring to losing a "young" guy like Tyler. Tyler is 23 and Acy is 24....so youth is not the issue. I liked Tyler's potential, but Acy appears to have been acquired because of his D, toughness and hustle.....also his contract is very favorable with the Knicks holding team options for the next two years in a contract that is only around $1 million. Outlaw offers 1 year of roster protection (at $3 mil) as insurance for Early's development. I didn't like giving up the 2nd rounder - but understand as the Knicks are taking an educated gamble that Sacramento would have the pick anyway....even without the trade.

This is the type of non-flashy sound move that you want your GM to make to build a solid roster foundation. Aquire a guy who you will control for the next 2 years at a very low salary and hope he turns into an Oakley type player. If not, his salary will make him tradeable along the way. Very smart move.

I think you still apply the word "potential" to a player of Tyler's age and physical ability. The clock is ticking for him, though, and at some point he has to work on the skills and attitude that will make teams want to keep him. Unfulfilled potential in an athlete (and people in general) is always a sad thing, IMO.

He might be someone who has to play in the DLeague or in Europe to develop his game, or he might be a guy who never takes the next step.

I don't mind Acy at all. Blue collar player who played 4 years of college ball at a program that played some good D. Good guy to have in your team mix, not only for a few minutes a night if you need him, but also in practice, where you would expect him to play hard and challenge guys.

On the other hand, if Outlaw gets minutes that I expect Early to get because Early does not play well, I will be very disappointed.

smackeddog wrote:

tkf wrote:

nixluva wrote:LIVE BODY! In the big picture it's just a move to add a little something to the roster we didn't have. We didn't need another SG and Tyler is a nice prospect but when would he play on this team? Acy is just a role player but what he provides can be useful. Nothing sexy but he got rid of Ellington which was what he wanted to do.

NO YOU DIDN'T.. lol YOU WENT from Jeremy tyler high upside, to "when is he going to get playing time".. I find this to be a trend around here when guys are shipped out.... so now Quincy Acy=good, and tyler= blah!!!

What's wrong with someone trying to be optimistic and looking on the bright side, grumpy!

is that what you call it? really? how about churching up every move as if it is great... tyler was the "full of potential" guy around here.. one lateral move and all of a sudden "there would be no playing time for him" and now we usher in "live body"... wow

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

nixluva wrote:LIVE BODY! In the big picture it's just a move to add a little something to the roster we didn't have. We didn't need another SG and Tyler is a nice prospect but when would he play on this team? Acy is just a role player but what he provides can be useful. Nothing sexy but he got rid of Ellington which was what he wanted to do.

NO YOU DIDN'T.. lol YOU WENT from Jeremy tyler high upside, to "when is he going to get playing time".. I find this to be a trend around here when guys are shipped out.... so now Quincy Acy=good, and tyler= blah!!!

If Phil makes ten total moves this off-season, I guarantee you nixluva will love all ten of them!

lol.. no kidding...

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

nixluva wrote:LIVE BODY! In the big picture it's just a move to add a little something to the roster we didn't have. We didn't need another SG and Tyler is a nice prospect but when would he play on this team? Acy is just a role player but what he provides can be useful. Nothing sexy but he got rid of Ellington which was what he wanted to do.

NO YOU DIDN'T.. lol YOU WENT from Jeremy tyler high upside, to "when is he going to get playing time".. I find this to be a trend around here when guys are shipped out.... so now Quincy Acy=good, and tyler= blah!!!

If Phil makes ten total moves this off-season, I guarantee you nixluva will love all ten of them!

You guys are too much. What did I say but the truth!!! Acy is a live body. Did I say he was the second coming of Dennis Rodman? I didn't bash Tyler on the way out. This is just more LAME ASS Self Hating Knicks Fan crap. You guys can't get behind what are clearly good things for this franchise. None of the moves Phil has made are of any real value to you guys. It's not me and y views that are the problem here.

no just funny how quickly you got off the Tyler bus... at no point did I ever hear you voice any concern over him finding playing time on this lottery roster before, but he gets traded and you find a way to brush off all of your high hopes on the kid..

Let me ask you, will Acy have a hard time finding playing time on this roster?

CrushAlot wrote:Nice article on Acy from a King's blog.
http://cowbellkingdom.com/sunday-musings-quincy-acy-shows-the-nba-hes-more-than-just-blue-collar/

tkf wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

nixluva wrote:LIVE BODY! In the big picture it's just a move to add a little something to the roster we didn't have. We didn't need another SG and Tyler is a nice prospect but when would he play on this team? Acy is just a role player but what he provides can be useful. Nothing sexy but he got rid of Ellington which was what he wanted to do.

NO YOU DIDN'T.. lol YOU WENT from Jeremy tyler high upside, to "when is he going to get playing time".. I find this to be a trend around here when guys are shipped out.... so now Quincy Acy=good, and tyler= blah!!!

If Phil makes ten total moves this off-season, I guarantee you nixluva will love all ten of them!

You guys are too much. What did I say but the truth!!! Acy is a live body. Did I say he was the second coming of Dennis Rodman? I didn't bash Tyler on the way out. This is just more LAME ASS Self Hating Knicks Fan crap. You guys can't get behind what are clearly good things for this franchise. None of the moves Phil has made are of any real value to you guys. It's not me and y views that are the problem here.

no just funny how quickly you got off the Tyler bus... at no point did I ever hear you voice any concern over him finding playing time on this lottery roster before, but he gets traded and you find a way to brush off all of your high hopes on the kid..

Let me ask you, will Acy have a hard time finding playing time on this roster?

I NEVER said Tyler was a lock to earn playing time. All i've said is that I liked his potential. Since when is liking someone's "potential" or "upside" a guarantee or Permanent vow of support for a prospect? You're paying so little attention to the actual team that you don't even seem to realize the Knicks depth chart and who is most likely to play. I think you really need to reassess your reason for being on this forum as a so called Knicks fan. Tyler wasn't even fully guaranteed for the season. Me saying this is just stating facts and not devaluing Tyler all of a sudden.

Tyler's Potential has nothing to do with whether Phil would want to wait on him or not. Phil clearly felt that Acy offered the team things he felt the team needed NOW that he couldn't get from Tyler. Right now we don't know who is gonna play or not. Tyler wasn't high on the list that's for sure. You didn't hear any of the Knicks brass talking up Tyler after SL. I thought he should at least be kept on the D League team if he didn't make the roster. That's my opinion, not Phil's.

JoeyBagadonuts wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Nice article on Acy from a King's blog.
http://cowbellkingdom.com/sunday-musings-quincy-acy-shows-the-nba-hes-more-than-just-blue-collar/

. Thanks for this. Until today, I'd never heard of the guy, but he's already my favorite player, sight unseen. Shades of Anthony Mason maybe. I miss Harthorne Nathaniel Wingo.

Maybe the improved jumper is what caught the attention of the Knicks, who must have had people watching the Summer Leagues for potential talent.

Sounds like he will be a fan favorite. Will his presence on the team, and that of Outlaw,push the Greek overseas or into the DLeague?

I remember watching Wingo. He was kind of a joke at first, but during his 3rd year on the team he was a decent player who made the rotation and could actually hold his own as a player. I recall that he became a decent defender, something that was not part of his game early on.

Did not realize that he played in Italy after his days with the Knicks ended.

F500ONE wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

F500ONE wrote:Okay I like Quincy Acy he has a major motor although offense needs work.

Other than this the trade is not good

How many posters here were high on Jeremy Tyler?

I was never high on Tyler, but then again I'm just a fan. Tyler had zero motor so if Acy has a motor he's an upgrade IMO. Nothing about Tyler ever gave me confidence the kid would ever "put it all together" despite his considerable talents.

Okay so Tyler never was a high potential upside player?

All fabricated oversold imagination

Nevertheless ACY is much like Larkin.

He'll either lock in the books next year or he won't

Which means we may end up giving Ellington-Tyler-Pick for nothing.

That's why the trade isn't good

There's really no fall back.

Sure, Tyler had tremendous upside. Lots of guys who never make it in the NBA have tremendous upside. What I meant was Acy has upside but also has an NBA ready ability right now as a defense/hustle type player. Tylers best attribute so far was he could score but he was never ever consistent nor could he be relied upon to do it day in day out.

The pick we gave up already belonged to SAC, with restrictions. The trade stripped them away. So it wasn't a clean pick. Ellington was an expiring deal and does nothing Hardaway can't do. Why give Ellington minutes at SG when THjr is clearly viewed as the future SG?