dk7th wrote:bryant averaged around 5 assists and had a usage:assist rate ratio of 1.33
jordan avenraged closer to 7 assists and had a usage:assist rate of around 1.35

both are better all-round players than carmelo anthony, and although all three can be considered wings, these two guys are essentially shooting guards.

what you want to see from melo is 4.5 to 5 assists in the triangle, and his usage:assist go down to around 1.5 or lower.

lastly, jordan's eFG was elite, completely smoking bryant and melo. jordan's TS% is also considerably better than the other two.

the main issue for melo is how talented and coachable is he actually? his numbers have always been purely borderline for all his accolades. now that he will be put in the same of reference as jordan and bryant, we will be able to get a better gauge of how special carmelo anthony is.

this is what i want to see:

1) 58%TS
2) 5 assists/game
3) 52%eFG
4) usage to assist rate ratio of 1.5 or lower
5) no more than 17 shots per game

That's a fair expectation. If he comes close to those numbers I think that would be great. No doubt this is what Phil is thinking as well. He is likely expecting Melo to become more efficient and to help his teammates score when he draws attention. Many coaches have tried, but I think this system helps to make it more possible. In the past Melo didn't really know or care what his teammates were doing. If he got stuck he might find someone in the corner for a 3. This system is different since he has more prescribed motions from his teammates as they present themselves for the pass. He'll actually be drilling those plays until they become second nature. He'll just know to expect that Jose will be in the corner or at the top or that JR or tHJ will make a cut etc. It's a much better way to play IMO.

The last few years when Melo did pass his teammates didn't always come thru. Think of how many times Felton blew a perfect setup or Shump got scared and bricked a shot. I think his teammates will be more capable in a guy like Jose and the other guards will be moving to better spots, like THJ coming off the screen as he did in SL and JR and Shump attacking the hoop more often on cuts. That should help get Melo more assists.

dk7th wrote:bryant averaged around 5 assists and had a usage:assist rate ratio of 1.33
jordan avenraged closer to 7 assists and had a usage:assist rate of around 1.35

both are better all-round players than carmelo anthony, and although all three can be considered wings, these two guys are essentially shooting guards.

what you want to see from melo is 4.5 to 5 assists in the triangle, and his usage:assist go down to around 1.5 or lower.

lastly, jordan's eFG was elite, completely smoking bryant and melo. jordan's TS% is also considerably better than the other two.

the main issue for melo is how talented and coachable is he actually? his numbers have always been purely borderline for all his accolades. now that he will be put in the same of reference as jordan and bryant, we will be able to get a better gauge of how special carmelo anthony is.

this is what i want to see:

1) 58%TS
2) 5 assists/game
3) 52%eFG
4) usage to assist rate ratio of 1.5 or lower
5) no more than 17 shots per game

So you are looking for him to essentially be a much better offensive player than Kobe?

Yeah ... that would be nice (and probably even a valid expectation).

The "no more than 17 shots per game" I do not agree with. If you are efficient then blast away (of course as long as your teammates don't get frozen and stagnant).

gunsnewing wrote:I would take 4 assists for Melo. But in reality I see under 4

Of course you do.

I see him getting pregnant and spending the season on maternity leave.

CrushAlot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I would take 4 assists for Melo. But in reality I see under 4

I think 4 is realistic. He averaged 3 last year. Just having Calderon taking the shots instead of Felton should add an assist a game.

exactly. though I am hoping for > 4.5 but 4 is almost impossible to miss. He was at 3.6 under MDA without even caring.

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I would take 4 assists for Melo. But in reality I see under 4

I think 4 is realistic. He averaged 3 last year. Just having Calderon taking the shots instead of Felton should add an assist a game.

exactly. though I am hoping for > 4.5 but 4 is almost impossible to miss. He was at 3.6 under MDA without even caring.

Yeah Melo wasn't exactly buying in with MDA and he still was doing better assist wise just by virtue of the way the offense was being structured. MDA wanted Melo to be that Point Forward type. Melo resisted but I think his attitude is different now. I think he realizes he was being a bit of a dikk at the time. Now in Phil's Triangle he'll have similar opportunities to make plays but in a more comfortable way. The Triangle is a better natural fit for Melo's game. It's called the Triple Post offense after all. That aspect makes it easy for Melo to 1st look for cutting teammates and still be able to score in the way he likes on some post ups. To suggest that Melo should have just the same sub 4 assist season seems a bit cynical. He already has avg'd 3 assists per game so saying he can't get 4 or more in an offense that creates more assist opps is just hating on Melo IMO.

yeah - I agree with you here.

Bonn1997 wrote:I care much more about the assist:to ratio than assists alone. If his turnovers and assists go up at the same rate, we haven't really gained anything.

of course.

Under MDA his turnovers did not go up. I would like to see 4.5 -> 3.0

I think that if he passes not only when its a last resort then it should help his turnovers

Bonn was right again - I hate your azz

Splat wrote:What's going on here today, the Resurrection of the Threads? I see multiple bumped threads and now rainman doing mea culpas? Ragnarok?

its a sad and boring day in NY sports and I felt nostalgic

mreinman wrote:

Splat wrote:What's going on here today, the Resurrection of the Threads? I see multiple bumped threads and now rainman doing mea culpas? Ragnarok?

its a sad and boring day in NY sports and I felt nostalgic

Do you want me to stitch a large Scarlet Letter "A" on your breast every time you confess to being wrong? It could be fun in public square, tomato pelting kind of way.

Splat wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Splat wrote:What's going on here today, the Resurrection of the Threads? I see multiple bumped threads and now rainman doing mea culpas? Ragnarok?

its a sad and boring day in NY sports and I felt nostalgic

Do you want me to stitch a large Scarlet Letter "A" on your breast every time you confess to being wrong? It could be fun in public square, tomato pelting kind of way.

I won't confess too often since I am mostly correct

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:The moral of these threads is never trust youtube.

lol

yellow ... you are one of my hero posters, you know that.

you got smoked in this one

you think so? You are probably right.

I expected more movement from the players. I aso expected more from Melo with his passing. Melo has disappointed me though but I thought I would see more flashes from the players when teams try to zone Melo. Instead they stand around. What I hate from Melo is the double pump fake pass from the post and the 5-6 passing windows he misses on the baseline cuts.