foosballnick wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

dk7th wrote:7 million over a five year period. melo is a saint.

Yeah we should make a statue. Even though im a diehard Knick fan but i really respect a guy like Tim Duncan. He is probably one of the best players i have ever seen besides jordan/lebron and the guy continues to take less. No wonder San Antonio wins for 20 years

Go look up his salary history. Taking less didn't happen until he was 35

dont bother fish, you and i have said this multiple times each and people just ignore it. yeah, duncan took less, only after he made 200million..

you're misrepresenting reality, aka lying.

duncan had won three titles and when he was 26 he earned 12 million dollars the year he won his first of three finals mvps.

again, by the time he earned 22 million in a season he had already won 3 titles and had earned 3 finals mvps. he led his teams to those titles.

meantime your defense of this greedy, me-first never was is truly moronic and pathetic.

what has carmelo done to actually earn the right to receive almost the entire maximum?

NOTHING

Ask Phil Jackson. He wouldn't entertain a sign and trade with the bulls and gave Melo the contract that he signed.

sorry but this is all on melo, unconscionable melo.

all of it.

every last unconscionable cent.

you can try to deflect all you want-- it was dolan, it was walsh, it was jackson-- but melo is the common denominator and has once again taken more than he has ever deserved and hurts the team he plays for in doing so.

it's unconscionable.

just an awful awful situation for the knicks.

I agree, a sad day in NY sports....

Interesting. I don't recall you guys ranting about Amare "unconscionable" when he opted in this past month. How come Amare's move was not unconscionable? Amare has to know that he is not worth $25 mil per season.....why did he not opt out and and restructure his contract to do the honorable thing like Tim Duncan would have....in order to free up space THIS YEAR.

We all see how it works. You guys are obsessed with Melo....when basically 90% of the NBA is negotiating as high of a contract as they can get......and there are other guys playing for the Knicks, taking up significant cap space and NOT contributing on any consistent type of level....who for some reason do not draw any reason/blame from you.

Makes you really look silly.

i am not happy about stoudemire but he knew he was dead man walking-- and in fact i feel for the guy, since he came here as a free agent, had greater success than melo before coming here, and then was summarily shoved aside by the arrival of melo, who was dolan's signature move. his attitude must have been that, knowing he would be marginalized if not outright unwanted, that he was not going to be the good soldier and take a financial hit for a team that pretty much doesn't want him around. isn't that what you and 99% of the fan base thinking? this is the price of doing business as a franchise in disarray and chaos.

you might as well have asked all the dead men walking players during walsh's first two years to have done the same, including stephon dinglebury.

well did you? and did you begrudge them getting paid in full?

hypocrites will have a hard time contending with what i just laid out in plain english and logically. you're more than welcome to give it a try.

dk7th wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

dk7th wrote:7 million over a five year period. melo is a saint.

Yeah we should make a statue. Even though im a diehard Knick fan but i really respect a guy like Tim Duncan. He is probably one of the best players i have ever seen besides jordan/lebron and the guy continues to take less. No wonder San Antonio wins for 20 years

Go look up his salary history. Taking less didn't happen until he was 35

dont bother fish, you and i have said this multiple times each and people just ignore it. yeah, duncan took less, only after he made 200million..

you're misrepresenting reality, aka lying.

duncan had won three titles and when he was 26 he earned 12 million dollars the year he won his first of three finals mvps.

again, by the time he earned 22 million in a season he had already won 3 titles and had earned 3 finals mvps. he led his teams to those titles.

meantime your defense of this greedy, me-first never was is truly moronic and pathetic.

what has carmelo done to actually earn the right to receive almost the entire maximum?

NOTHING

Ask Phil Jackson. He wouldn't entertain a sign and trade with the bulls and gave Melo the contract that he signed.

sorry but this is all on melo, unconscionable melo.

all of it.

every last unconscionable cent.

you can try to deflect all you want-- it was dolan, it was walsh, it was jackson-- but melo is the common denominator and has once again taken more than he has ever deserved and hurts the team he plays for in doing so.

it's unconscionable.

just an awful awful situation for the knicks.

I agree, a sad day in NY sports....

Interesting. I don't recall you guys ranting about Amare "unconscionable" when he opted in this past month. How come Amare's move was not unconscionable? Amare has to know that he is not worth $25 mil per season.....why did he not opt out and and restructure his contract to do the honorable thing like Tim Duncan would have....in order to free up space THIS YEAR.

We all see how it works. You guys are obsessed with Melo....when basically 90% of the NBA is negotiating as high of a contract as they can get......and there are other guys playing for the Knicks, taking up significant cap space and NOT contributing on any consistent type of level....who for some reason do not draw any reason/blame from you.

Makes you really look silly.

i am not happy about stoudemire but he knew he was dead man walking-- and in fact i feel for the guy, since he came here as a free agent, had greater success than melo before coming here, and then was summarily shoved aside by the arrival of melo, who was dolan's signature move. his attitude must have been that, knowing he would be marginalized if not outright unwanted, that he was not going to be the good soldier and take a financial hit for a team that pretty much doesn't want him around. isn't that what you and 99% of the fan base thinking? this is the price of doing business as a franchise in disarray and chaos.

you might as well have asked all the dead men walking players during walsh's first two years to have done the same, including stephon dinglebury.

well did you? and did you begrudge them getting paid in full?

hypocrites will have a hard time contending with what i just laid out in plain english and logically. you're more than welcome to give it a try.

Yeah - I feel for Amare too and his 100 million dollar heist.

Certainly a fair and balanced post and non hypocritical.

I seem to remember Amare going down hill before Melo got here.

knicks1248 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

dk7th wrote:7 million over a five year period. melo is a saint.

Yeah we should make a statue. Even though im a diehard Knick fan but i really respect a guy like Tim Duncan. He is probably one of the best players i have ever seen besides jordan/lebron and the guy continues to take less. No wonder San Antonio wins for 20 years

Go look up his salary history. Taking less didn't happen until he was 35

dont bother fish, you and i have said this multiple times each and people just ignore it. yeah, duncan took less, only after he made 200million..

you're misrepresenting reality, aka lying.

duncan had won three titles and when he was 26 he earned 12 million dollars the year he won his first of three finals mvps.

again, by the time he earned 22 million in a season he had already won 3 titles and had earned 3 finals mvps. he led his teams to those titles.

meantime your defense of this greedy, me-first never was is truly moronic and pathetic.

what has carmelo done to actually earn the right to receive almost the entire maximum?

NOTHING

Ask Phil Jackson. He wouldn't entertain a sign and trade with the bulls and gave Melo the contract that he signed.

sorry but this is all on melo, unconscionable melo.

all of it.

every last unconscionable cent.

you can try to deflect all you want-- it was dolan, it was walsh, it was jackson-- but melo is the common denominator and has once again taken more than he has ever deserved and hurts the team he plays for in doing so.

it's unconscionable.

just an awful awful situation for the knicks.

I agree, a sad day in NY sports....

Interesting. I don't recall you guys ranting about Amare "unconscionable" when he opted in this past month. How come Amare's move was not unconscionable? Amare has to know that he is not worth $25 mil per season.....why did he not opt out and and restructure his contract to do the honorable thing like Tim Duncan would have....in order to free up space THIS YEAR.

We all see how it works. You guys are obsessed with Melo....when basically 90% of the NBA is negotiating as high of a contract as they can get......and there are other guys playing for the Knicks, taking up significant cap space and NOT contributing on any consistent type of level....who for some reason do not draw any reason/blame from you.

Makes you really look silly.

i am not happy about stoudemire but he knew he was dead man walking-- and in fact i feel for the guy, since he came here as a free agent, had greater success than melo before coming here, and then was summarily shoved aside by the arrival of melo, who was dolan's signature move. his attitude must have been that, knowing he would be marginalized if not outright unwanted, that he was not going to be the good soldier and take a financial hit for a team that pretty much doesn't want him around. isn't that what you and 99% of the fan base thinking? this is the price of doing business as a franchise in disarray and chaos.

you might as well have asked all the dead men walking players during walsh's first two years to have done the same, including stephon dinglebury.

well did you? and did you begrudge them getting paid in full?

hypocrites will have a hard time contending with what i just laid out in plain english and logically. you're more than welcome to give it a try.

Yeah - I feel for Amare too and his 100 million dollar heist.

Certainly a fair and balanced post and non hypocritical.

I seem to remember Amare going down hill before Melo got here.

any player avg that many minutes, and taking on that kind of load is bound to break down, you saw it happening to melo, lin, duhon, felto, kidd, kobe, ect.

It really doesn't matter what kind of shape your in, the body can only take so much.

So you can thank the coaches that run players into the ground, like MDA, and woodson.

Don't think that they're the only ones. Thibs does it too. Doc, Riley and others have done this, but if you win you get a pass. MDA was going with short rotations for years in PHX. It's just something some coaches do. The problem is that if you have STAT with bad knees it's gonna bite you in the butt. Melo wore down and it wasn't necessary.

but also realize that amare did the same thing in 2010. he got $100 mil and only came to the knicks b/c of that. he didn't care who was here or what the team was trying to build. it was about his money.

i look at this roster and the two highest paid players are on the knicks purely b/c of money. and each one of them can't wait to throw their coach under the bus at first oppportunity.

then you have a knucklhead in smith throwing water on women in clubs.

phil has to overcome all of that to build a cohesive unit.

amare won't be a problem after the season. but he'll have to deal with melo. not an easy task.

he'll need all the zen he can get.

is he a KNICK, YES

So let's just move on, in the end, it is how he can play in a system
Now that $ and contracts are out of his way, let's see if he will sacrifice for the W's and not worry about contracts and numbers
He does have skills and he is one of the better scorer's in the league period

I just couldn't stand the way Woodson over used him and expected everyone else to get the blame with NO SYSTEM
With a system, let's see what CA could do, regardless he is a Knick, so repeating the same crap for the past 4 years will not change, hopefully our record does...
We had one successful season and not so much in the post season but again, we lacked the players/talent and philosophies on OFF and DEF, so with that said, Phil Jackson is working on that in addition to the youth movement

Did he really take a discount, NO, not really, he took less than he could have technically made
It isn't about CA, it is about The New York Knick's

AND

Let's be happy Dolan is out of the way
IF Phil Jackson believes, I have my faith in him as well

Hopefully we learn from our mistakes from today on, Woodson didn't and that is why he is no longer a head coach, repeating them and throwing players under the bus with favoritism on rotations/players/lineups that DO NOT WORK

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:You guys are nuts if you think Phil and Fish aren't PERFECTLY equipped to handle a player like Melo after dealing with Kobe or MJ. Melo is not going to be a problem for them. One thing that also gives hope is how Melo played during the Olympics. After fighting MDA all season, he goes and does EXACTLY what MDA was asking him to do, in being more of a catch and shoot player and staying within the flow of the offense. There's no reason why we can't expect Melo to play in this system given the way it's setup for players with his skills already.

Melo will only have to buy in to the idea that he will have to do less in order for his team to do more. I think once he sees the team winning playing that way, he won't be a problem. We saw that for a while when the team was winning 2 years ago. He won't be a problem.

Is our rookie coach better equipped to deal with him than MDA was?

Of course he does because he was hand picked by Phil Jackson.

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:You guys are nuts if you think Phil and Fish aren't PERFECTLY equipped to handle a player like Melo after dealing with Kobe or MJ. Melo is not going to be a problem for them. One thing that also gives hope is how Melo played during the Olympics. After fighting MDA all season, he goes and does EXACTLY what MDA was asking him to do, in being more of a catch and shoot player and staying within the flow of the offense. There's no reason why we can't expect Melo to play in this system given the way it's setup for players with his skills already.

Melo will only have to buy in to the idea that he will have to do less in order for his team to do more. I think once he sees the team winning playing that way, he won't be a problem. We saw that for a while when the team was winning 2 years ago. He won't be a problem.

Is our rookie coach better equipped to deal with him than MDA was?

Of course he does because he was hand picked by Phil Jackson.

Ah, hand-picked by our rookie GM!

Yes ... who was handpicked by our veteran owner.

dk7th wrote:i am expecting some minor miracles from these two guys. not linsanity level. and i look forward to anthony being part of that process and not a hindrance. 123 million for a one-way player geez

You know what DK? I am not thrilled about the salary either but I am going to move on and be excited about this team.

I still feel that culture change is in the air and that we will be playing smarter and exciting basketball next year. Win or lose, we will see effort and ball movement, and I think that Carmelo will increase his TS to 58+ which will make a big difference.

I still wish he gave us a bigger discount but it is what it is. I am expecting to see Olympic style basketball from him over the next few years and less bully ball and stupid long 2 chucks.

I am going into it with a positive attitude and hoping that culture change will engulf everyone. Heck, who knows maybe JR can actually mature and play up to his 5 tool talents.

I know that I sound like Nix but why not ... the off season is about hope, and watching the way our kids have fought in SLeague makes me hope that this attitude change will permeate the organization and we will see things that we can only dream of.

I will be patient though and not expect too much this season. Just anti Woody basketball.

dk7th wrote:

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:i am expecting some minor miracles from these two guys. not linsanity level. and i look forward to anthony being part of that process and not a hindrance. 123 million for a one-way player geez

You know what DK? I am not thrilled about the salary either but I am going to move on and be excited about this team.

I still feel that culture change is in the air and that we will be playing smarter and exciting basketball next year. Win or lose, we will see effort and ball movement, and I think that Carmelo will increase his TS to 58+ which will make a big difference.

I still wish he gave us a bigger discount but it is what it is. I am expecting to see Olympic style basketball from him over the next few years and less bully ball and stupid long 2 chucks.

I am going into it with a positive attitude and hoping that culture change will engulf everyone. Heck, who knows maybe JR can actually mature and play up to his 5 tool talents.

I know that I sound like Nix but why not ... the off season is about hope, and watching the way our kids have fought in SLeague makes me hope that this attitude change will permeate the organization and we will see things that we can only dream of.

I will be patient though and not expect too much this season. Just anti Woody basketball.

everything you have delineated has crossed my mind but there's a ton of "IF" here.

who is the best defender at the shooting guard position in summer league. whoever it ends up being has to be the starter.

Lots of if's but that is what the off season is all about.

I don't care who starts and who finishes as long as the ball moves around the court and that JR and Melo don't dribble more than a few times per possession.

Move the damn ball. And, if the shot goes in great. If not, at least we move the damn ball.

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

dk7th wrote:7 million over a five year period. melo is a saint.

Yeah we should make a statue. Even though im a diehard Knick fan but i really respect a guy like Tim Duncan. He is probably one of the best players i have ever seen besides jordan/lebron and the guy continues to take less. No wonder San Antonio wins for 20 years

Go look up his salary history. Taking less didn't happen until he was 35

dont bother fish, you and i have said this multiple times each and people just ignore it. yeah, duncan took less, only after he made 200million..

you're misrepresenting reality, aka lying.

duncan had won three titles and when he was 26 he earned 12 million dollars the year he won his first of three finals mvps.

again, by the time he earned 22 million in a season he had already won 3 titles and had earned 3 finals mvps. he led his teams to those titles.

meantime your defense of this greedy, me-first never was is truly moronic and pathetic.

what has carmelo done to actually earn the right to receive almost the entire maximum?

NOTHING

Ask Phil Jackson. He wouldn't entertain a sign and trade with the bulls and gave Melo the contract that he signed.

sorry but this is all on melo, unconscionable melo.

all of it.

every last unconscionable cent.

you can try to deflect all you want-- it was dolan, it was walsh, it was jackson-- but melo is the common denominator and has once again taken more than he has ever deserved and hurts the team he plays for in doing so.

it's unconscionable.

just an awful awful situation for the knicks.

I agree, a sad day in NY sports....

Yes I agree! A sad day for the Haters.