newyorknewyork wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Dallas Mavs traded for Antoine Walker and Antoine Jamison in dirt cheap value deals buying low. That didn't make them a championship team yet both these moves lead to future moves that built Dallas championship core.

Walker's value was then flipped for Jason Terry
Jamison value was flipped for a top 5 pick Devin Harris who was then flipped for Jason Kidd.

This is great hindsight logic. Everyone just knew Jason Kidd had enough left in the tank and Jason Terry was the missing SG necessary to get a chip 6 years after getting him from the Hawks.

This is like saying every piece of dust can and will evolve into a monkey if you give it enough time...

Jrodmc your posting is to advanced for my simple mind. I can't tell if you agree with me and are being sarcastic or you disagree with what I am saying.

he belongs on judge judy.

jrodmc wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Anji wrote:I'm just being sarcastic, I agree about the Dallas model personally, continue adding to a system and building the team up.

I really would like to see the computations that Bonn and DK7 run, we need to get those to Phil before he signs Melo to 1 dollar more then he should......and if we have enough time, we should go fix moreys computer. It obviously needs an upgrade.

newyorknewyork wrote:

Same as Anji you guys expect a team to be an immediate championship calibre team first yr assembled or its a failure. Again unrealistic, you seem to believe either you rebuild or you are a championship team but it doesn't work that way.

I kind of figured you were being sarcastic but wasn't sure, because that Jason Terry comment was off the wall lol.

IMO I would look to buy low on an Eric Gordon and depending on the Gasol situation David Lee as well only if we are able to bring Melo back. Sure they don't make us a championship team but they are productive players with flexible 2 yr contracts. We would be a playoff team and we could possibly use there value as productive expirings at the deadline in 2015-16 to contenders for future assets or look to resign them to cap friendly deals giving the team productive value role players on cap friendly deals.

I'd rather look into trying to obtain Jeff Teague. I've read that there is a decent chance the Hawks move him. Teague has his faults, but he does a decent job of defending his position.

We just trade for Calderon and Teague's value will be to high. We should be looking to buy low right now.

We traded for Calderon, but...we still need to upgrade the position. Calderon isn't a guy who can be depended to play more than 30 minutes a night due to his defense. I'm not sure what Teague's value is, but I know he has a lower annual salary than Gordon. Plus, ATL has Schroeder. They may feel it's time to hand the reins I've to him. There were talks of a Shump for League trade last season. That's something we should revisit.

You've got Prigs, you've got the Larkin yoot, maybe you get something unexpected out of summer league. You need more than that to back up Calderon's missing 18 minutes a night?

EwingsGlass wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Dallas Mavs traded for Antoine Walker and Antoine Jamison in dirt cheap value deals buying low. That didn't make them a championship team yet both these moves lead to future moves that built Dallas championship core.

Walker's value was then flipped for Jason Terry
Jamison value was flipped for a top 5 pick Devin Harris who was then flipped for Jason Kidd.

This is great hindsight logic. Everyone just knew Jason Kidd had enough left in the tank and Jason Terry was the missing SG necessary to get a chip 6 years after getting him from the Hawks.

This is like saying every piece of dust can and will evolve into a monkey if you give it enough time...

What kind of monkey?

What kind of dust? From whence comes the dust?
How much time? Who gets to start the clock?

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

Andrew wrote:Tkf, let me be brief and to the point. It is not your opinion that is getting a response from Martin, myself now and others. It is how you choose to express it. Both of us have given you many opportunities to correct this, and we are asking one last time that you listen.

so if I came on here every day and said carmelo deserves the max, and he is the greatest player in the NBA that would be ok? actually I bet it would be no problem.. I could say it every day, 5 times a day, in all caps and it wouldn't be a problem...

It is how you choose to express it

how is that andrew, I don't name call, I don't chase posters down, but it has been done to me and a few others... which is why I am confused.. you know what some of the most heated debates I have had so far and I will tell you probably should have gotten me and another poster a warning was in the kevin love thread.. but you know what.. Not one warning.. and you know why? because we were not talking about carmelo and no one gave a damn.....

one thing andrew I will say is everyone can improve, posters and mods.. to tell posters they need to change without changing the way things are modded leads to this mob mentality you see around here..

have a good sunday..

what part of "It is not your opinion that is getting a response" but rather "how you choose to express it" did you not understand?

This was a thread about line up with Melo next year - in fact, it's the thread title - and this is your addition to this thread that I was specifically responding to:

tkf wrote:Carmelo is no longer a knick, why can't we discuss the lineups without that dude... it is so hard for some of you guys to move forward.. have you even taken a look to see how many threads there are about carmelo?

I think it would be good to have one thread, all things carmelo and call it a day... jeez

You want this board to not discuss Melo at all and then also complain when you think you can't express your own opposite opinion on the subject. Quite the hypocritical stance.

I asked you quite nicely to stop with that type of posting; if you want to add to the discussion of a thread, please do so, if you want to just come into thread and suggest others should not, you position yourself as wanting to shut down threads that you do not agree with.

With your sarcastic response to Andrew that you think that you need to post about coming here every day to post about Melo being the greatest player in the NBA, you are both missing the point and very deliberately being very stupid.

ok martin so if I said. Briggs that lineup stinks, I hate it because it has carmelo in it. would that be received any differently? that would have been directly responding to his post, and I would not be suggesting that he shut the thread down, which I wasn't.. i was just offering a different direction... again I guess it is cool for you to name call and the example it sets martin.. this is basically cosigning other posters wrong behavior... then again you mod the site so I guess you can do what you want..

but Let me post this link martin, this is a thread about me, where no mod came in to stop it..

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=47678

notice how Bonn tried to come in and help mod the the situation as it wasn't being done, and he then gets trolled by fishmike and it doesn't stop with this..

fishmike wrote:
haha... DK and Bonn have officially become TFK's minions. Good stuff

And here is bonns response:

Have I even addressed TKF in the past few weeks? I agree with mreinman's criticisms of TKF, though I still think TKF is more knowledgeable than many here.

now this a thread that I didn't start, and was allowed to go on for 7 pages martin... can you tell me why? why wasn't it even locked? As a mod there are many things that could have been done. even if you wanted to see me and bonn and dk get attacked, as a mod there are things you can do to protect those feelings while still protecting the board.. one of them would have been simply to just lock the thread.....

You want this board to not discuss Melo at all and then also complain when you think you can't express your own opposite opinion on the subject. Quite the hypocritical stance.

no, I never said that.. I just would like to see the board modded fairly and with balance martin...

here is another thread about a poster actually asking about modding the board, and this didn't come from me..

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=45230&page=1

If possible, maybe somewhere in which we can all see who is logged in and out with time stamped?
It isn't about people who disagree with me, I have no problem with that at all
I am talking about coming up with a solution to STOP unnecessary trolling, attacking of specific members back and forth, and pure bashing on the UK site

this is just not something I am asking for martin...

Again i have said I am willing to make the necessary adjustments martin, I am not trying to put myself on the frontlines of confrontation, I am just asking as others have as well to make some adjustments in the modding and not make it so personal as you have seem to have done.

And I would like to add that thread by enyspree about me was unacceptable, but you know what I understand having a minority opinion is going to be met with some opposition and ribbing and I am cool as long as it doesn't turn into personal attacks.. enyspree didn't personally attack me per say but it was the usual suspects in that that thread and in many others that make it personal and at the very least that thread should have been locked..

I have one more martin.. this was a thread fishmike started with my name in it.. again.. different poster than enyspree...

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=46545&page=3

what I find interesting martin is again Bonn has to come and mod the situation that is not being modded by you guys and remember I didn't start the thread martin.

Bizarre question. It's an interesting topic but it has nothing to do with TKF's comment. Nowhere in the quote you provided did he say that a good way to evaluate an individual player is to look at the record of the 12 man team. Normally "our talent" would mean the talent of the entire roster.

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Again Bonn sniffed out the intention of the poster fishmike right away.... again why wasn't this thread locked? you didn't have to come in and scold the poster, all you had to do is lock it and show your presence and show that this will not be tolerated.. meanwhile in the backround you could be laughing and rooting that fishmike tolled me again... that wouldnt matter to me.. because everyone is not going to agree, I am past that. All I ask is for fair modding..

I have have taken up enough time.. this is not what I want to do or subject the board to, but I had to address your post and defend myself..

I could have pulled up many more examples... all I ask is why are you not defending me, bonn and DK, even if you don't agree with us martin? I guarantee you if we are modded fairly you would have the type of forum that you desire.

Have a good sunday...

TKF

I for one also hope Andrew and martin had a good sunday.

Funny, no other poster has to have three pages of explaining to the mods how to mod...

WELL I can tell you one thing, we sure need another thread on posting etiquette, something you obviously need brushing up on...

LET ME GUESS, you're going to post some threads showing how I call you names? Please, tell me what's anti-etiquette in the bold?

I find it amusing that you think so highly of yourself and your opinions that you think you need to explain the meaning and purpose of the board to the two guys who actually created and run it.

jrodmc wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Dallas Mavs traded for Antoine Walker and Antoine Jamison in dirt cheap value deals buying low. That didn't make them a championship team yet both these moves lead to future moves that built Dallas championship core.

Walker's value was then flipped for Jason Terry
Jamison value was flipped for a top 5 pick Devin Harris who was then flipped for Jason Kidd.

This is great hindsight logic. Everyone just knew Jason Kidd had enough left in the tank and Jason Terry was the missing SG necessary to get a chip 6 years after getting him from the Hawks.

This is like saying every piece of dust can and will evolve into a monkey if you give it enough time...

Jrodmc your posting is to advanced for my simple mind. I can't tell if you agree with me and are being sarcastic or you disagree with what I am saying.

I'm just trying to express my opinion on the difference between direct causal relationships and dominoes falling over randomly. I mean, Cuban's about as close to a rich genius blabbermouth as there exists, but Jason Terry 6 years later and Jason Kidd on his last legs?

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Dallas Mavs traded for Antoine Walker and Antoine Jamison in dirt cheap value deals buying low. That didn't make them a championship team yet both these moves lead to future moves that built Dallas championship core.

Walker's value was then flipped for Jason Terry
Jamison value was flipped for a top 5 pick Devin Harris who was then flipped for Jason Kidd.

This is great hindsight logic. Everyone just knew Jason Kidd had enough left in the tank and Jason Terry was the missing SG necessary to get a chip 6 years after getting him from the Hawks.

This is like saying every piece of dust can and will evolve into a monkey if you give it enough time...

Jrodmc your posting is to advanced for my simple mind. I can't tell if you agree with me and are being sarcastic or you disagree with what I am saying.

I'm just trying to express my opinion on the difference between direct causal relationships and dominoes falling over randomly. I mean, Cuban's about as close to a rich genius blabbermouth as there exists, but Jason Terry 6 years later and Jason Kidd on his last legs?

it comes down to winning, and that in a nutshell is why I want Melo back, poor playoff performances or not. Because when your winning games the players and their stats on your roster mean more. Everyone has more value. Winning is so important. I think its critical to show that last year was a one-off and we are much closer to the 54 win team than the 37 win team. Phil has some more work to do...

you are insane

really, I mean I am having to read that over again to see how any of that makes sense.... Bring a player back, even if he has been a poor playoff performer because winning games makes everyone more valuable.... well how about winning playoff games?

As far as last year, we are supposed to ignore that completely, and believe that we are much closer to the 54 win team, and why is that again?

All I can really say is wow..

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Dallas Mavs traded for Antoine Walker and Antoine Jamison in dirt cheap value deals buying low. That didn't make them a championship team yet both these moves lead to future moves that built Dallas championship core.

Walker's value was then flipped for Jason Terry
Jamison value was flipped for a top 5 pick Devin Harris who was then flipped for Jason Kidd.

This is great hindsight logic. Everyone just knew Jason Kidd had enough left in the tank and Jason Terry was the missing SG necessary to get a chip 6 years after getting him from the Hawks.

This is like saying every piece of dust can and will evolve into a monkey if you give it enough time...

Jrodmc your posting is to advanced for my simple mind. I can't tell if you agree with me and are being sarcastic or you disagree with what I am saying.

I'm just trying to express my opinion on the difference between direct causal relationships and dominoes falling over randomly. I mean, Cuban's about as close to a rich genius blabbermouth as there exists, but Jason Terry 6 years later and Jason Kidd on his last legs?

it comes down to winning, and that in a nutshell is why I want Melo back, poor playoff performances or not. Because when your winning games the players and their stats on your roster mean more. Everyone has more value. Winning is so important. I think its critical to show that last year was a one-off and we are much closer to the 54 win team than the 37 win team. Phil has some more work to do...

I like how things are progressing so far under Phil. He gets a player's rep coach who's also one of his own. He signs a reclamation project who's one of his own. He gets rid of two guys who were not working out here any more, dumps salary and gets us (gasp!) draft picks! Yoots!

Something for everybody, even in here!

LaLa wants to stay. Melo wants to keep his son where he is. That's one and two.
Lebron wants the max. Rupaul Bosh wants Lebron. Is Wade the Beloved of South Beach going to get paid? All of that's three.
Phil can manage the Dolan millions brilliantly, and no one in NYC is going to put up with a season of watching Jose C pass to Lamar Odom. That's four.

You’ve been a Knick for parts of four seasons. In that time, only Alex Rodriguez fueled more debate, more hand-wringing, more praise-laced-with-criticism and criticism-pocked-with-praise than you — and that’s primarily because he was a baseball scofflaw.

Talk radio buzzed daily based on your play. Angry email screeds would fill inboxes crushing your “ball-stopping” … and even angrier diatribes would follow from defenders asking where in the world the Knicks would be if someone besides you were shooting the ball.

You’ve gotten the full New York Experience.

And more than just about any other athlete we’ve seen around here, you got it. Enjoyed it, even. You answered every question after every game. You suffered as much as any fan during all the losing streaks. You demanded accountability, knowing well that nobody would be held more accountable than yourself.

And you played your ass off. Every game. Every day.

New York didn’t break you, as it’s broken some. Even the singular play that may have forever altered your legacy here — the would-be dunk that Roy Hibbert turned into a series-clinching block, Game 6 of the ’13 East semifinals — didn’t make you hide.

“He made the play, I didn’t,” you said that night. “It’s something I’ll have to live with.”

this is just horrible stuff from the new york post's mike vaccaro. horrible

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Dallas Mavs traded for Antoine Walker and Antoine Jamison in dirt cheap value deals buying low. That didn't make them a championship team yet both these moves lead to future moves that built Dallas championship core.

Walker's value was then flipped for Jason Terry
Jamison value was flipped for a top 5 pick Devin Harris who was then flipped for Jason Kidd.

This is great hindsight logic. Everyone just knew Jason Kidd had enough left in the tank and Jason Terry was the missing SG necessary to get a chip 6 years after getting him from the Hawks.

This is like saying every piece of dust can and will evolve into a monkey if you give it enough time...

Jrodmc your posting is to advanced for my simple mind. I can't tell if you agree with me and are being sarcastic or you disagree with what I am saying.

I'm just trying to express my opinion on the difference between direct causal relationships and dominoes falling over randomly. I mean, Cuban's about as close to a rich genius blabbermouth as there exists, but Jason Terry 6 years later and Jason Kidd on his last legs?

it comes down to winning, and that in a nutshell is why I want Melo back, poor playoff performances or not. Because when your winning games the players and their stats on your roster mean more. Everyone has more value. Winning is so important. I think its critical to show that last year was a one-off and we are much closer to the 54 win team than the 37 win team. Phil has some more work to do...

you are insane

really, I mean I am having to read that over again to see how any of that makes sense.... Bring a player back, even if he has been a poor playoff performer because winning games makes everyone more valuable.... well how about winning playoff games?

As far as last year, we are supposed to ignore that completely, and believe that we are much closer to the 54 win team, and why is that again?

All I can really say is wow..

Anyway.. Yes tfk you ignore last year. Why? Because if your talking about Melo teams you have a decade of winning records to work with. As for winning playoff games I agree. Just like with Kevin Garnett, who had even more playoff futility and struggles than Melo you need to build out the whole team.

Funny thing about winning playoff games. You have to get there first. Funny when Robert Horry was a FA he didnt have 5 teams pining to give him the max. Go figure.

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Dallas Mavs traded for Antoine Walker and Antoine Jamison in dirt cheap value deals buying low. That didn't make them a championship team yet both these moves lead to future moves that built Dallas championship core.

Walker's value was then flipped for Jason Terry
Jamison value was flipped for a top 5 pick Devin Harris who was then flipped for Jason Kidd.

This is great hindsight logic. Everyone just knew Jason Kidd had enough left in the tank and Jason Terry was the missing SG necessary to get a chip 6 years after getting him from the Hawks.

This is like saying every piece of dust can and will evolve into a monkey if you give it enough time...

Jrodmc your posting is to advanced for my simple mind. I can't tell if you agree with me and are being sarcastic or you disagree with what I am saying.

I'm just trying to express my opinion on the difference between direct causal relationships and dominoes falling over randomly. I mean, Cuban's about as close to a rich genius blabbermouth as there exists, but Jason Terry 6 years later and Jason Kidd on his last legs?

it comes down to winning, and that in a nutshell is why I want Melo back, poor playoff performances or not. Because when your winning games the players and their stats on your roster mean more. Everyone has more value. Winning is so important. I think its critical to show that last year was a one-off and we are much closer to the 54 win team than the 37 win team. Phil has some more work to do...

I like how things are progressing so far under Phil. He gets a player's rep coach who's also one of his own. He signs a reclamation project who's one of his own. He gets rid of two guys who were not working out here any more, dumps salary and gets us (gasp!) draft picks! Yoots!

Something for everybody, even in here!

LaLa wants to stay. Melo wants to keep his son where he is. That's one and two.
Lebron wants the max. Rupaul Bosh wants Lebron. Is Wade the Beloved of South Beach going to get paid? All of that's three.
Phil can manage the Dolan millions brilliantly, and no one in NYC is going to put up with a season of watching Jose C pass to Lamar Odom. That's four.

You’ve been a Knick for parts of four seasons. In that time, only Alex Rodriguez fueled more debate, more hand-wringing, more praise-laced-with-criticism and criticism-pocked-with-praise than you — and that’s primarily because he was a baseball scofflaw.

Talk radio buzzed daily based on your play. Angry email screeds would fill inboxes crushing your “ball-stopping” … and even angrier diatribes would follow from defenders asking where in the world the Knicks would be if someone besides you were shooting the ball.

You’ve gotten the full New York Experience.

And more than just about any other athlete we’ve seen around here, you got it. Enjoyed it, even. You answered every question after every game. You suffered as much as any fan during all the losing streaks. You demanded accountability, knowing well that nobody would be held more accountable than yourself.

And you played your ass off. Every game. Every day.

New York didn’t break you, as it’s broken some. Even the singular play that may have forever altered your legacy here — the would-be dunk that Roy Hibbert turned into a series-clinching block, Game 6 of the ’13 East semifinals — didn’t make you hide.

“He made the play, I didn’t,” you said that night. “It’s something I’ll have to live with.”

this is just horrible stuff from the new york post's mike vaccaro. horrible

Is it horrible because he wants your pariah to stay or just not factual in your humble opinion? Besides the obvious "play your ass off", what else do you not agree with?

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Dallas Mavs traded for Antoine Walker and Antoine Jamison in dirt cheap value deals buying low. That didn't make them a championship team yet both these moves lead to future moves that built Dallas championship core.

Walker's value was then flipped for Jason Terry
Jamison value was flipped for a top 5 pick Devin Harris who was then flipped for Jason Kidd.

This is great hindsight logic. Everyone just knew Jason Kidd had enough left in the tank and Jason Terry was the missing SG necessary to get a chip 6 years after getting him from the Hawks.

This is like saying every piece of dust can and will evolve into a monkey if you give it enough time...

Jrodmc your posting is to advanced for my simple mind. I can't tell if you agree with me and are being sarcastic or you disagree with what I am saying.

I'm just trying to express my opinion on the difference between direct causal relationships and dominoes falling over randomly. I mean, Cuban's about as close to a rich genius blabbermouth as there exists, but Jason Terry 6 years later and Jason Kidd on his last legs?

it comes down to winning, and that in a nutshell is why I want Melo back, poor playoff performances or not. Because when your winning games the players and their stats on your roster mean more. Everyone has more value. Winning is so important. I think its critical to show that last year was a one-off and we are much closer to the 54 win team than the 37 win team. Phil has some more work to do...

I like how things are progressing so far under Phil. He gets a player's rep coach who's also one of his own. He signs a reclamation project who's one of his own. He gets rid of two guys who were not working out here any more, dumps salary and gets us (gasp!) draft picks! Yoots!

Something for everybody, even in here!

LaLa wants to stay. Melo wants to keep his son where he is. That's one and two.
Lebron wants the max. Rupaul Bosh wants Lebron. Is Wade the Beloved of South Beach going to get paid? All of that's three.
Phil can manage the Dolan millions brilliantly, and no one in NYC is going to put up with a season of watching Jose C pass to Lamar Odom. That's four.

You’ve been a Knick for parts of four seasons. In that time, only Alex Rodriguez fueled more debate, more hand-wringing, more praise-laced-with-criticism and criticism-pocked-with-praise than you — and that’s primarily because he was a baseball scofflaw.

Talk radio buzzed daily based on your play. Angry email screeds would fill inboxes crushing your “ball-stopping” … and even angrier diatribes would follow from defenders asking where in the world the Knicks would be if someone besides you were shooting the ball.

You’ve gotten the full New York Experience.

And more than just about any other athlete we’ve seen around here, you got it. Enjoyed it, even. You answered every question after every game. You suffered as much as any fan during all the losing streaks. You demanded accountability, knowing well that nobody would be held more accountable than yourself.

And you played your ass off. Every game. Every day.

New York didn’t break you, as it’s broken some. Even the singular play that may have forever altered your legacy here — the would-be dunk that Roy Hibbert turned into a series-clinching block, Game 6 of the ’13 East semifinals — didn’t make you hide.

“He made the play, I didn’t,” you said that night. “It’s something I’ll have to live with.”

this is just horrible stuff from the new york post's mike vaccaro. horrible

Is it horrible because he wants your pariah to stay or just not factual in your humble opinion? Besides the obvious "play your ass off", what else do you not agree with?

he played his ass off on one end of the floor, and even then he didn't play smart.
he answered every question, but very rarely held himself accountable throughout his stay here.
he dogged it through one notorious losing streak when dantoni was coach and lin was the pg.

i don't need to go any further. it's a hack piece he wrote. ny york post SMH

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Dallas Mavs traded for Antoine Walker and Antoine Jamison in dirt cheap value deals buying low. That didn't make them a championship team yet both these moves lead to future moves that built Dallas championship core.

Walker's value was then flipped for Jason Terry
Jamison value was flipped for a top 5 pick Devin Harris who was then flipped for Jason Kidd.

This is great hindsight logic. Everyone just knew Jason Kidd had enough left in the tank and Jason Terry was the missing SG necessary to get a chip 6 years after getting him from the Hawks.

This is like saying every piece of dust can and will evolve into a monkey if you give it enough time...

Jrodmc your posting is to advanced for my simple mind. I can't tell if you agree with me and are being sarcastic or you disagree with what I am saying.

I'm just trying to express my opinion on the difference between direct causal relationships and dominoes falling over randomly. I mean, Cuban's about as close to a rich genius blabbermouth as there exists, but Jason Terry 6 years later and Jason Kidd on his last legs?

it comes down to winning, and that in a nutshell is why I want Melo back, poor playoff performances or not. Because when your winning games the players and their stats on your roster mean more. Everyone has more value. Winning is so important. I think its critical to show that last year was a one-off and we are much closer to the 54 win team than the 37 win team. Phil has some more work to do...

I like how things are progressing so far under Phil. He gets a player's rep coach who's also one of his own. He signs a reclamation project who's one of his own. He gets rid of two guys who were not working out here any more, dumps salary and gets us (gasp!) draft picks! Yoots!

Something for everybody, even in here!

LaLa wants to stay. Melo wants to keep his son where he is. That's one and two.
Lebron wants the max. Rupaul Bosh wants Lebron. Is Wade the Beloved of South Beach going to get paid? All of that's three.
Phil can manage the Dolan millions brilliantly, and no one in NYC is going to put up with a season of watching Jose C pass to Lamar Odom. That's four.

You’ve been a Knick for parts of four seasons. In that time, only Alex Rodriguez fueled more debate, more hand-wringing, more praise-laced-with-criticism and criticism-pocked-with-praise than you — and that’s primarily because he was a baseball scofflaw.

Talk radio buzzed daily based on your play. Angry email screeds would fill inboxes crushing your “ball-stopping” … and even angrier diatribes would follow from defenders asking where in the world the Knicks would be if someone besides you were shooting the ball.

You’ve gotten the full New York Experience.

And more than just about any other athlete we’ve seen around here, you got it. Enjoyed it, even. You answered every question after every game. You suffered as much as any fan during all the losing streaks. You demanded accountability, knowing well that nobody would be held more accountable than yourself.

And you played your ass off. Every game. Every day.

New York didn’t break you, as it’s broken some. Even the singular play that may have forever altered your legacy here — the would-be dunk that Roy Hibbert turned into a series-clinching block, Game 6 of the ’13 East semifinals — didn’t make you hide.

“He made the play, I didn’t,” you said that night. “It’s something I’ll have to live with.”

this is just horrible stuff from the new york post's mike vaccaro. horrible

Is it horrible because he wants your pariah to stay or just not factual in your humble opinion? Besides the obvious "play your ass off", what else do you not agree with?

he played his ass off on one end of the floor, and even then he didn't play smart.
he answered every question, but very rarely held himself accountable throughout his stay here.
he dogged it through one notorious losing streak when dantoni was coach and lin was the pg.

i don't need to go any further. it's a hack piece he wrote. ny york post SMH

I'll repost my standard response to your standard "one-end of the floor player" post:

jrodmc wrote:How does one average 8-9 rpg in the NBA? Oh wait, let me guess, 16th century bully ball, right? Not giving your teammates good enough quality looks at the basket, right? No, I forgot, all his rebounds are from his own missed shots, right? Especially when shooting 40% from 3, right?

Melo’s usage rate (30.1) is Top 5 in the NBA while keeping his player efficiency rating (24.5) higher than that of NBA public perception darlings Stephen Curry and Blake Griffin.
Although his field-goal percentage isn’t as high as the King's, at 45.2 percent it rates higher than the public’s next superstars Paul George and Kyrie Irving. And in a league that is becoming more and more reliant on the three, Melo shot it at a clip of 40.2 percent, higher than that of perceived three-point shooting extraordinaires Kevin Durant and Kevin Love.

Of the nine most prevalent recorded scoring situations recorded by Synergy Film (iso, post-up, spot-up, pick-and-roll, primary ball handler, transition, put backs, off screen, and cuts), Carmelo had a points per possession rate of greater than 1.0 in all but two of the categories. Anytime a player’s points per possession is more than 1.0, that indicates efficient. One of the two categories that Melo doesn’t have over a 1.0 – isolation. Ironic, as that is the one perceived aspect that Melo shines in.

In post-up situations, Melo is holding opponents to a 0.593 points per possession ranking him in the top 95 percent of the league, which puts him ahead of 7-foot-2 Roy Hibbert (which might not be saying much after the 2014 playoffs). Where Carmelo has lacked defensively isn’t when he is matched up in isolation situations (he’s been very effective holding opponents to 28.6 percent shooting).

Instead, his glaring weakness is in the main offensive player movement situations – off screen and pick-and-roll scenarios. In off screen situations, Melo is allowing his opponent to shoot an adjusted fg% of 56.3 percent and when involved in pick-and-roll situations his defensive points per possession is at a clip of 1.06, far too high for any high-level defender.

These analytical stats scream loud and clear that Melo’s problems defensively are in his head and not his ability. In the NBA, any lapse of concentration in a defensive player will lead to a team defensive breakdown and ultimately an open look. When Melo is man up with his opponent, he is very effective in creating stops.

However, it is Melo’s defensive commitment and complete focus in secondary defensive situations away from the ball that needs to improve to transform the perception of Mel-O.

Yes, he's defensively not elite, or even above average. But one-way player? Start singing a different song, please.