dk7th wrote:jrodmc wrote:Anji wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:dk7th wrote:TeamBall wrote:dk7th wrote:TeamBall wrote:dk7th wrote:TeamBall wrote:dk7th wrote:TeamBall wrote:dk7th wrote:it's what he is worth to the knicks, always was, always will be. he was grossly overpaid the first time around, never mind the assets given up for him. you can't pay that much for a one-way player! now look at the knicks. he owes the knicks a significant pay cut. 12-14 million is about right for the knicks to pay him if he wants to remain part of the franchise. he remains a one-way player.
That false sense of entitlement is really gonna kill your credibility. There's a difference between wanting him to take less (which a lot of us do) and thinking he's obligated to take less because he "owes" the Knicks.
my credibility is going to be just fine. he's a one-way player. now justify his worth to the knicks based on that FACT.
I'm not talking about his worth. I'm clearly talking about you thinking he owes the knicks, or any team, anything. I don't know why you keep trying to steer all topics to what Melo should be paid. I'm not talking about that and have already stated that I agree with you that I want him to take less. I disagree that he owes it to me though just because I'm a knick fan.
i am thinking of what is fair, reasonable, just, and ethical. you are thinking of what melo thinks he should be getting paid, which is informed by NONE of those things.
owing and getting paid are two sides of the same coin. it takes a major case of ignorance to try and keep them separate.
No, you're projecting what you want him to do onto this belief that would paint him in a bad light if he didn't adhere to it. Just, ethics, fairness - they're all of matter of your opinion at the end of the stay with the way you state them, seeing as how it's been pointed out that you change the rules for certain players.And the way you put, they're not on the same coin. If Melo wants to stay with the Knicks, Jackson has said that it'd be wise and beneficial for him to take a pay cut. He has never said that he owes it to anyone. That's your sense of entitlement.
who, exactly, has pointed out that i change the rules? is it someone who has divergent values from my own? if it is, then why hide behind that?
i say if anyone has been operating from a sense of entitlement it's carmelo anthony. do you know what it means to overvalue yourself? it means you feel OWED.
Overvaluing yourself and wanting the most money you can get are different things. Monta Ellis "have it all" is overvaluing himself. Carmelo's "I didn't wanna be stuck in limbo with the impending lockout" just wanted to get the most money he could.
he has been a non-contender his entire career but one. time to take a huge salary hit to stay in new york since they are in worse shape than other teams he might be interested in. hence if he takes what he is actually worth to the knicks they can build a winner sooner.
or he can take a little more money to play for a team closer than the knicks already and perhaps win sooner. either scenario he is not going to get the most money available and that is a good thing.
and that one year he had a top 5 MVP candidate teammate.
Yup, the 27/6/54 he averaged that year in the playoffs had nothing to do with it....lol.
Never forget, Melo's production never has anything to do with anything other than his dinosaur way of playing basketball. And 4 assists per game is useless at either the 3 or the 4. Shoot, don't you know what CP3 averages?
And who couldn't average 5 or 6 dimes a game passing to the likes of Fishlips, Landry Fields, Toney Douglas and Ray Felton? Or the invisible Amare/Bargs/Chandler combo?
jackson does not think primitively by relying on empty-calorie stats. how did he get those numbers? and are they the numbers he will be relying on in assessing how much he may be willing to pay a 2.5 option?
Then why is Jackson wasting time meeting and talking with your local empty calorie stat filler?
How does one average 8-9 rpg in the NBA? Oh wait, let me guess, 16th century bully ball, right? Not giving your teammates good enough quality looks at the basket, right? No, I forgot, all his rebounds are from his own missed shots, right? Especially when shooting 40% from 3, right?
Melo’s usage rate (30.1) is Top 5 in the NBA while keeping his player efficiency rating (24.5) higher than that of NBA public perception darlings Stephen Curry and Blake Griffin. Although his field-goal percentage isn’t as high as the King's, at 45.2 percent it rates higher than the public’s next superstars Paul George and Kyrie Irving. And in a league that is becoming more and more reliant on the three, Melo shot it at a clip of 40.2 percent, higher than that of perceived three-point shooting extraordinaires Kevin Durant and Kevin Love.
Of the nine most prevalent recorded scoring situations recorded by Synergy Film (iso, post-up, spot-up, pick-and-roll, primary ball handler, transition, put backs, off screen, and cuts), Carmelo had a points per possession rate of greater than 1.0 in all but two of the categories. Anytime a player’s points per possession is more than 1.0, that indicates efficient. One of the two categories that Melo doesn’t have over a 1.0 – isolation. Ironic, as that is the one perceived aspect that Melo shines in.
In post-up situations, Melo is holding opponents to a 0.593 points per possession ranking him in the top 95 percent of the league, which puts him ahead of 7-foot-2 Roy Hibbert (which might not be saying much after the 2014 playoffs). Where Carmelo has lacked defensively isn’t when he is matched up in isolation situations (he’s been very effective holding opponents to 28.6 percent shooting).
Instead, his glaring weakness is in the main offensive player movement situations – off screen and pick-and-roll scenarios. In off screen situations, Melo is allowing his opponent to shoot an adjusted fg% of 56.3 percent and when involved in pick-and-roll situations his defensive points per possession is at a clip of 1.06, far too high for any high-level defender.
These analytical stats scream loud and clear that Melo’s problems defensively are in his head and not his ability. In the NBA, any lapse of concentration in a defensive player will lead to a team defensive breakdown and ultimately an open look. When Melo is man up with his opponent, he is very effective in creating stops.
However, it is Melo’s defensive commitment and complete focus in secondary defensive situations away from the ball that needs to improve to transform the perception of Mel-O.
Yes, he's defensively not elite, or even above average. But one-way player? Start singing a different song, please.
