Finestrg wrote:

tkf wrote:

Finestrg wrote:On James Harden, Bonn made a good point either on this thread or one of the others -- Harden, if you really look at him, is a damn good player and pretty good value for Melo -- dude's a good 5 years younger and even though he's on a long-term deal, he's only getting paid #2 or even #3 type money (avg. $14-17mm per over the next 3 seasons). Harden really gets to the line a ton (more than Melo) and despite all the scoring, he's always been a real good passer. Just saying -- Harden + filler is a pretty good option to consider here..

pretty good option? it would be a great option.. harden for caremlo straight up would be killer anything eles added to the deal is a friggin bonus..

I think I agree. It would require a little more (there might be anywhere between a $5mm - $7mm gap that needs to be made up to make a trade work salary-wise depending on what Melo's 1st yr salary winds up being in his new deal....or maybe less -- trades can be what, $3mm apart and still work, right?) but I like this scenario the more I think about it. Harden's a damn good player. Not perfect, but damn good. Scores it just as well as Melo practically, only this guy's 5 yrs younger with so much less wear & tear on his body. And the fact that he's only being paid #3 type money...The more I think about it, the more it looks like a mistake on Houston's part. I think I'd rather keep Harden if I'm Morey. Is an older Melo with all the miles he's put on really better than James Harden just entering his prime? I dunno about that...

I would say no... but if their hopes of getting lebron hinges on them getting carmelo(if that is what lebron wants) then you almost have to meet his demands if you want to land lebron... and nowadays.. who doesn't? I could care less about lebron, but I would safely assume I am in the minority... hahahaa

dk7th wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:

Finestrg wrote:On James Harden, Bonn made a good point either on this thread or one of the others -- Harden, if you really look at him, is a damn good player and pretty good value for Melo -- dude's a good 5 years younger and even though he's on a long-term deal, he's only getting paid #2 or even #3 type money (avg. $14-17mm per over the next 3 seasons). Harden really gets to the line a ton (more than Melo) and despite all the scoring, he's always been a real good passer. Just saying -- Harden + filler is a pretty good option to consider here..

pretty good option? it would be a great option.. harden for caremlo straight up would be killer anything eles added to the deal is a friggin bonus..

does anyone need reminding that the knicks would like to run the triangle offense?

Meaning what? That Harden can't function in the triangle offense? That's BS...Why couldn't he? Despite all the triangle talk where some of you are looking for the absolute perfect fits for this system, you still need stars that know when and how to go get there own offense and take over. Harden can do that. Phil's always had that, hasn't he (Jordan, Kobe)?

Persoanlly speaking regarding the triangle, I want a diversified attack more than anything else, anchored by at least 2 stars that fit nicely with one another, quick penetrating guards that can break down a defense and also get out and run and get some transition hoops, guys that can rebound the ball and control the glass, some interior scoring and rim protection with our bigs and of course guys that can swing the ball and go get the best possible shot on offense in the halfcourt set. I want it all-- I want all bases covered. If that's really what "the triangle" means, then I'm down.

calm down. i LOVE the idea of harden in the triangle! just wish he could elevate his defense here in ny if we are fortunate enough to acquire him.

ok, that is where I thought you were headed, Yea harden in the triangle would be nice, but as you mentioned his defense MUST improve...

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Cartman718 wrote:Knicks, Rockets Could Discuss Carmelo For Harden Sign-And-Trade
Jun 25, 2014 2:08 PM EDT

In a radio appearance, Chris Broussard reported that the Houston Rockets and New York Knicks could agree upon a sign-and-trade of Carmelo Anthony for James Harden.

The Rockets could then sign LeBron James with anticipated cap space created by trading away Omer Asik and Jeremy Lin in order to form a Big 3 with Anthony and Dwight Howard.

James and Anthony have reported interest in playing together.

Harden was a first-team All-NBA selection, but there have been questions on whether his game fits with Howard.

let me ask this. james harden is better than carmelo.. why would morey think lebron, carmelo and dwight is better than lebron, harden and dwight?

Probably because the scuttlebutt is Lebron wants to play with Carmelo so HOU is trying to position themselves as the team that can accomodate that desire. As good as Harden is if Lebron is serious about playing with Carmelo then Morey is signaling to Lebron that they can make that happen if he wants to jump ship.

I dont get people hating on Harden. He's is paid $15 mil a year, is a 1st team All NBA shooting guard (is there a better SG in the league right now considering age and salary?), and is what? 24? 25? What's the problem here? He also averages 5 rebounds and 5 assists a game and can definitely score. At the very least he is a huge asset.

I agree, good post and yea not sure with the harden hate, dude can flat out play, and has a versatile offensive game, especially when it comes to passing..

I can tell you why he gets hate around here, but I don't want to go there.. maybe another time.. haha

LOL. Yeah, better not

People forget Harden on OKC played as the facilitator more on offense and took a backseat when it came to scoring. And he was a very good playmaker on their second unit. That was the OKC team that made the finals no less. Harden actually wanted to stay in OKC as the third option, had no problem not being "the man" on offense. He became that on the Rockets because he was their best scorer. I think that tells you lot about his personality and what kind of player he is. Im a huge fan. I would be ecstatic if we got Harden for Melo. Dont even care what else we get in the trade.

harden,although he can facilitate with the ball in his hands is just as good off the ball, I would like to see him doing more of that, like he did in OKC.. I think with him having the ball in his hands more often resulted in some questionable shots... nevertheless he is paid like a 3rd option and has done well filling that role before as you mentioned..

Yeah, I agree on both points: He was very good off the ball and he def took too many questionable shots in Houston.

nyvector16 wrote:I think everyone here would agree that getting Harden for Melo is preferable to losing Melo for nothing...
But I think Harden's game would seriously take a hit playing in NYC.

Harden in my opinion is the sweetheart for NBA officials and ALWAYS gets tick tack fouls called on opposing players and just generally gets protected big time by officials.
If he lost that protection coming to the Public enemy #1 place for officials, NY Knicks.. His game would take a hit.

This post really sounds ridiculously speculative. Harden would be an amazing pick-up for the Knicks in a Melo trade. Add in some solid filler (possibly via third or fourth teams) and perhaps a first round pick, we might have ourselves a mega-blockbuster deal that sets us up for 2015. I mean Harden @$15mil is WAY better than Melo at $23mil+. Way way better.

I really hope this happens and we net a first rounder out of it as well. If there are back room discussions that involve using the Melo pickup to land Lebron, too...we have serious leverage.

Having that duo out West would also be preferable to Melo landing on the Bulls, even if the picks are not 16 & 19.

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:

Finestrg wrote:On James Harden, Bonn made a good point either on this thread or one of the others -- Harden, if you really look at him, is a damn good player and pretty good value for Melo -- dude's a good 5 years younger and even though he's on a long-term deal, he's only getting paid #2 or even #3 type money (avg. $14-17mm per over the next 3 seasons). Harden really gets to the line a ton (more than Melo) and despite all the scoring, he's always been a real good passer. Just saying -- Harden + filler is a pretty good option to consider here..

pretty good option? it would be a great option.. harden for caremlo straight up would be killer anything eles added to the deal is a friggin bonus..

does anyone need reminding that the knicks would like to run the triangle offense?

Dude has real talent