NardDogNation wrote:fishmike wrote:NardDogNation wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:tkf wrote:what I do find amazing is that tyson and asik had similar contracts.. yet the pelicans got a first round pick for asik... Perceived value I guess... wow
Larkin is the value of a 1st round pick. Plus we got 2 other picks. And replaced Felton with Calderon who's a better player and on a better contract relative to his production. I think we got way more for chandler than they did for Asik.
Unless I read your statement wrong. Did you mean you are surprised they got 'only' a first round pick? Because we got way more than that.
the rockets got a first round pick and didn't have to take any junk back.. that is a more value deal.. they got rid of huge contract and got a pick..remember how people wee saying those poison pill deals would be hard to move? more is a beast, dude knows how to deal..
Larkin could not get playing time behind calderon and devin harris who broke his toe...
we didn't get more because we had to eat into our 2015 and beyond salary...
Yes but we got an easier contract to move. We gave up junk in Felton, saved money this summer, and got back many assets. When you get rid of the most difficult contract to move, and get back the value of 1 first round pick and 2 second round picks that's great. I would rather get all that plus get rid of Felton than just get back 1 future pick for Tyson.
I would have been happy with chandler for a later first or multiple second round picks and taking no salary, then taking on more future salary... we are taking on more than 5 mil in salary in 2015.. I mean wasn't that war cry around here... 2015 free agency?
what I find funny about this kind of reasoning now is that people justified throwing away picks to get rid of novaks 4 million dollars per year... do you now see where I am coming from? and guess what also.. the 2016 pick is higher than any pick we have gotten back so far...
Haha I know what you mean. I'm allowed to enjoy the two second era because I also predicted the same thing about how quickly the tune will change lol
I think everybody that is upset about calderon's contract is going overboard. Yes I dont love teh contract but its not like he makes amare/bargs money. We will still have plenty of cap space
There are 15 active roster spots on a NBA team and Jose Calderon will make 1/9 of the cap. You really think that a guy like that is worth it when guys like Mo Williams, Jarrett Jack (who started ahead of him at times), Darren Collision, Patty Mills, Reggie Jackson, etc., made less than half of that last season? We would've been better served at adding Nate Robinson and/or Aaron Brooks at the minimum than this guy.
then please tell me what you do with Ray Felton who makes $4mm then? Do you forget about him? Because he was the worst PG in the NBA last year. He defended nobody and is the albatross on our roster. Your options are cut him and pay him or trade him in a package. In this case that package got us a better starter who is good floor general and one of the leagues best sharp shooters.So the guys you mention arent really fair. Would you rather have Paddy Mills or Collison next year at $2mm (Mills will get closer to $5mm) PLUS Felton hanging around?
You cant just say Collison at $2mm > Calderon at $7mm when its really
Collison + Felton at $6mm vs. Calderon at $7mm
Forget Ellington. He's another Murray, but Larkin is solid prospect and we have seen small guys (Brooks, Isiah Thomas) play good basketball in league.
Unless you really think Chandler (did you watch him last year? No offense, never healthy) is really worth much I think your wrong on this trade. Asik was traded for a protected pick in next year's draft and he's younger, better and more durable than Chandler this point. Not sure what the expectation was?
By virtue of Felton being the worst PG in the league, we could have easily upgraded the position with a minimum salaried player. Hell, we could've traded Shumpert for Collision just this past season, so upgrading the position was not some impossible feat.
The fact is that Felton only has 2 years and $16 million left on his contract. He's an awful player but by the last year of the deal, his play becomes irrelevant and his value as an expirer comes into play. Considering that he'd only be making $4 million, is it that unreasonable to presume that we could've moved him and $3 million in a salary dump? Instead, what we did is acquire a 33 year old, owed $22 million (unless Phil already has something up his sleeve). That isn't smart managing.
For all of Tyson Chandler's flaws, he was a respected player around the league, which is evident by the recognition he gets for being the key piece to the Mavericks championship run and his DPOY award. You don't sell low on that, especially when the worst case scenario is that he walks away for nothing (which ain't all that bad considering our circumstances). If the offers we were getting sucked, we should've held onto him and pumped up his value to move him at the deadline. Do you have any doubt that he would've played very well in his contract year, especially considering how well he played before getting injured last season?
At the moment, I just think the fanbase is happy to see any kind of change because of how bad we were last season. But there is bad change and there is good change. With those factors considered, I think this is bad change and reminiscent of when we moved Zach Randolph and Jamal Crawford as they were peaking.
This ain't same thing.. so other than winning title with Dirk, Mavs a..to cite Z Bo and Crawford, the ex-knick did more in NBA on losing teams than Chandler done after his 1 good yr defensively in NY.
You r over valuing Tyson and since you cite Asik his stats per min. Played still better than Tyson outputs.
Both players may been pain in neck but Asik got more value cause he deserved to be!
Tyson grump and all played his butt out of NY cause he blamed entire situation on team guys such as his Lame swipe at Melo, to then his issue publicly with coach Woodson instead of privately without looking at himself since the Pacers series oust where he got embarrassed all day and all night long by Roy Hilbert whom declined himself this yr, and Roy wasn't even bussing Tyson butt on just defensive end where Hilbert is no offensive threat.
Tyson needed to go, you ain't goin to get a star or a 8 or 10 12mil player for him face facts.
Tyson is of value of Sam Dalembert and that Chandler brought on himself. Tyson woulda had most Knick support if he acted like he used to which is act like a Knickerbocker.
Don't know bout u or anyone else but DJ don't want anyone whom don't want be part of my, our team especially since Chandler was part of downfalls here but to this date he still acts like his stuff ain't stink.
Good riddenance, I am shocked at Tyson and disappointed since I always been a chandler fan, but he is as sour as a huge bag of Lemons
6/26/2014 12:14 PM
