yellowboy90 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Would a win now team take Calderon? There are several teams that could use him as a back up pg. The Blazers, Clippers, Indy, Miami, Houston, and etc.

Phil might not be done yet....

I don't think any of those teams has the luxury of paying $7M per to a backup.

The dude shot 46% and 45% from three over the last two years. That will always make him attractive. He is the pg version of Kyle Korver right now but he can handle the ball.

Yes, Calderon WAS a good player to have around but are you really going to want him at $7.8 million when he is 36 years old and no franchise player around?

Bravo Phil, thanks for giving us all a reason to watch draft night!

Also we get rid of Felton.

nyvector16 wrote:The only negative of the deal for the Knicks is the extra salary...
Let's break that down...

Next Season - 15/16 Season - 16/17 Season
Felton - 4.3M - 4.5M -
Calderon - 7M - 7.4M - 7.7M

Difference: 2.7M - 2.9M - 7.7M

This amount to a total of 13.3M total....
And we got a 2013 1st rounder, TWO 2014 2nd rounders , and a big upgrade at Point guard

I don't see how this was anything but a steal....

It's because you're playing the short game and have not taken into consideration the long term ramifications of the deal. This is the type of dumb moves we made in the past that led us to Amar'e Stoudemire and squandered Melo's prime.

Dallas is trying to recreate 2010 for one more to around with Dirk. If it doesn't work they will gladly let Tyson come off the books and rebuild in a year

yellowboy90 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Would a win now team take Calderon? There are several teams that could use him as a back up pg. The Blazers, Clippers, Indy, Miami, Houston, and etc.

Phil might not be done yet....

I don't think any of those teams has the luxury of paying $7M per to a backup.

The dude shot 46% and 45% from three over the last two years. That will always make him attractive. He is the pg version of Kyle Korver right now but he can handle the ball.

Yup and you need a pg who can shoot in the triangle and doesn't dominate the ball. Defense and age is definitely a concern but he might not be here for the entire 3yr duration of his contract

yellowboy90 wrote:

Chris Herring @HerringWSJ · 11m

I'm hearing the Knicks are trying to move Dalembert and Larkin in a separate deal, according to a person familiar with the matter.

yellowboy90 wrote:

Chris Herring @HerringWSJ · 11m

I'm hearing the Knicks are trying to move Dalembert and Larkin in a separate deal, according to a person familiar with the matter.

Wow Herring does not mess around. Those 2 guys in a package can maybe net us a great PG. Maybe Lowry or Bledsoe????

EwingsGlass wrote:I would guess this is a clear sign that Melo is signing elsewhere. I see this as an economic move that acquires some future assets. More importantly, it means the Knicks can actually be under the cap this year if they end up cutting Dalembert (meaning not exercising his option).

Correct me if I am wrong, but being under the cap this year would allow us to not be in the repeater tax penalty for a few years after the 2015 class comes out. So, by biting the bullet this year and rebuilding this year, they can have 3 years more of exceeding the salary cap without higher luxury tax.

I think the Calderon contract is moveable still before the trade deadline. Perhaps the hope is Calderon can bring the best back out of Bargnani.

I like the deal, but wonder what this year will look like in terms of rebuilding.

By my estimations, this leaves one roster spot. I would expect to see one more triangle player. My prediction, is that Gasol maybe ends up here on a relationship special.

Calderon/Larkin/Prigs
Hardaway/Smith/Ellington
Odom/Shumpert
Bargnani/Stoudemire
[Gasol][Dalembert?]/Tyler

[#34][#51]

Even with Melo and Dalembert not on the payroll, we'd still have $64 million of contracts on the books. The cap is at $63 million and I'm not sure if we can get far enough below it for cap space to be consequential. That being said, Pau Gasol is not signing up for the midlevel exception to play for a rebuilding team. It just isn't going to happen.

EwingsGlass wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:I would guess this is a clear sign that Melo is signing elsewhere. I see this as an economic move that acquires some future assets. More importantly, it means the Knicks can actually be under the cap this year if they end up cutting Dalembert (meaning not exercising his option).

Correct me if I am wrong, but being under the cap this year would allow us to not be in the repeater tax penalty for a few years after the 2015 class comes out. So, by biting the bullet this year and rebuilding this year, they can have 3 years more of exceeding the salary cap without higher luxury tax.

I think the Calderon contract is moveable still before the trade deadline. Perhaps the hope is Calderon can bring the best back out of Bargnani.

I like the deal, but wonder what this year will look like in terms of rebuilding.

By my estimations, this leaves one roster spot. I would expect to see one more triangle player. My prediction, is that Gasol maybe ends up here on a relationship special.

Calderon/Larkin/Prigs
Hardaway/Smith/Ellington
Odom/Shumpert
Bargnani/Stoudemire
[Gasol][Dalembert?]/Tyler

[#34][#51]

Even with Melo and Dalembert not on the payroll, we'd still have $64 million of contracts on the books. The cap is at $63 million and I'm not sure if we can get far enough below it for cap space to be consequential. That being said, Pau Gasol is not signing up for the midlevel exception to play for a rebuilding team. It just isn't going to happen.

Perhaps my math is off, but I believe cutting Dalembert brings us down to $61MM. Regardless, even if over by $1mm -$2mm, that can be solved with a move or two. The purpose of being under the cap wouldnt be to sign other players, but instead to not be a repeat offender next year in terms of exceeding the cap.

Who cares if we're a repeat offender? I'm not footing the bill? Are you?

EwingsGlass wrote:I would guess this is a clear sign that Melo is signing elsewhere. I see this as an economic move that acquires some future assets. More importantly, it means the Knicks can actually be under the cap this year if they end up cutting Dalembert (meaning not exercising his option).

Correct me if I am wrong, but being under the cap this year would allow us to not be in the repeater tax penalty for a few years after the 2015 class comes out. So, by biting the bullet this year and rebuilding this year, they can have 3 years more of exceeding the salary cap without higher luxury tax.

I think the Calderon contract is moveable still before the trade deadline. Perhaps the hope is Calderon can bring the best back out of Bargnani.

I like the deal, but wonder what this year will look like in terms of rebuilding.

By my estimations, this leaves one roster spot. I would expect to see one more triangle player. My prediction, is that Gasol maybe ends up here on a relationship special.

Calderon/Larkin/Prigs
Hardaway/Smith/Ellington
Odom/Shumpert
Bargnani/Stoudemire
[Gasol][Dalembert?]/Tyler

[#34][#51]

I don't think even Melo knows what he is going to decide. He wants a team to blow him away and make the decision for him. If not then he will just come back to the Knicks.