gunsnewing wrote:

dk7th wrote:he has not a had a chance to develop. he was injured and then he was dicked around. he is the kind of guy who clearly needs a healthy work environment in order to thrive. it's a real shame that he was out most of last season but then again without kidd and prigioni the wheels would have fallen off the knicks rickety bus and badly. it's great for the delusional that shumpert was injured or they could not have enjoyed the 54 wins before getting exposed. not good for those who would have preferred to allow the kid to develop in the normal course of time in a functional organization.

with sheriff jackson in town maybe things will work out.

Exactly. Why people are eager to give him up for the 29th mother****in pick is beyond me

I guarantee you if Shump played for okc this entire time he would be looked at a lot differently

If sefolosa was here he would've got ran out of town like Landry fields

I'm convinced Knicks fans are the worst basketball fans in the country. Worst than Miami fans

Its money.

If the plan is get Melo at a discount, then add another max guy summer of 2015 and another almost max guy the same summer to build your new big 3 then Shumpert and his new contract dont fit into the big picture.

If the play is use Amare/Chandler/Bargs expiring deals to add salary and just pack in the talent then you ride with Shump and if he blows up great... pay him.

Two very different roads. One Shump has to go. One it really just depends on how he plays

We will probably end up with another damaged overpaid PF

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

dk7th wrote:he has not a had a chance to develop. he was injured and then he was dicked around. he is the kind of guy who clearly needs a healthy work environment in order to thrive. it's a real shame that he was out most of last season but then again without kidd and prigioni the wheels would have fallen off the knicks rickety bus and badly. it's great for the delusional that shumpert was injured or they could not have enjoyed the 54 wins before getting exposed. not good for those who would have preferred to allow the kid to develop in the normal course of time in a functional organization.

with sheriff jackson in town maybe things will work out.

Exactly. Why people are eager to give him up for the 29th mother****in pick is beyond me

I guarantee you if Shump played for okc this entire time he would be looked at a lot differently

If sefolosa was here he would've got ran out of town like Landry fields

I'm convinced Knicks fans are the worst basketball fans in the country. Worst than Miami fans

there is a really good reason to move Shump for a late pick like that. Next year is Shump's contract year and the last of his rookie deal. So play it out... if he has the breakout year we all want he's going to get paid. So do you pay Shump and pass on possibly getting max players in FA? If Shump has his 15-5-5 season while playing great defense whats he worth? $7mm? $10mm?

Its money.

If the plan is get Melo at a discount, then add another max guy summer of 2015 and another almost max guy the same summer to build your new big 3 then Shumpert and his new contract dont fit into the big picture.

If the play is use Amare/Chandler/Bargs expiring deals to add salary and just pack in the talent then you ride with Shump and if he blows up great... pay him.

Two very different roads. One Shump has to go. One it really just depends on how he plays

Why can't we trade Shump after he blows up? There's no gun to Phil's head to make that deal now.

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I rather keep Shumpert at $5-7mil under Phil than try to build a front court of love and Melo which is not happening anyway

We will probably end up with another damaged overpaid PF

is Love the only FA? 2015 there are like 15 max guys that may be available. Its about options. You want to be able to sign max guys or you want to put your money on Shump being an impact player? Hey, if you think Shump is a core piece of a title contendor than great. I dont. I would prefer to get something now for a player who's only future here is if we totally whiff on everything.

Guns... your always saying you want a real star. You said frontcourt... Marc Gasol, Deandre Jordan, Aldridge, Robin Lopez... should we keep cap space to add these guys? I understand its no guarentee, just like the NBA draft lottery is no sure thing either, but the teams that pick high do the best. We can at least pick high in FA. Lets see no?

Yes you do need a mega star but you usually don't get those jus via free agency. The Knicks surely don't get Lebron and Shaq. But Amare and mcdyess instead. Or you can just try to draft one with your 2015 1st rounder

I agree BigD. If anything Shump performs in Phil's system then We trade him for financial reasons for needs

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

dk7th wrote:he has not a had a chance to develop. he was injured and then he was dicked around. he is the kind of guy who clearly needs a healthy work environment in order to thrive. it's a real shame that he was out most of last season but then again without kidd and prigioni the wheels would have fallen off the knicks rickety bus and badly. it's great for the delusional that shumpert was injured or they could not have enjoyed the 54 wins before getting exposed. not good for those who would have preferred to allow the kid to develop in the normal course of time in a functional organization.

with sheriff jackson in town maybe things will work out.

Exactly. Why people are eager to give him up for the 29th mother****in pick is beyond me

I guarantee you if Shump played for okc this entire time he would be looked at a lot differently

If sefolosa was here he would've got ran out of town like Landry fields

I'm convinced Knicks fans are the worst basketball fans in the country. Worst than Miami fans

there is a really good reason to move Shump for a late pick like that. Next year is Shump's contract year and the last of his rookie deal. So play it out... if he has the breakout year we all want he's going to get paid. So do you pay Shump and pass on possibly getting max players in FA? If Shump has his 15-5-5 season while playing great defense whats he worth? $7mm? $10mm?

Its money.

If the plan is get Melo at a discount, then add another max guy summer of 2015 and another almost max guy the same summer to build your new big 3 then Shumpert and his new contract dont fit into the big picture.

If the play is use Amare/Chandler/Bargs expiring deals to add salary and just pack in the talent then you ride with Shump and if he blows up great... pay him.

Two very different roads. One Shump has to go. One it really just depends on how he plays

Why can't we trade Shump after he blows up? There's no gun to Phil's head to make that deal now.

its all a gamble and there is some tricky timing. If he blows up he's an RFA next season. So we can sign and trade him only, but how does that help us? We have to take equal salary back, plus he has a cap hold which keeps up from signing FAs. It becomes tricky and fast.

Now if we (Phil) isnt planning on letting the contracts fall off the cap and using cap space it doesnt matter. I suspect he may just use the expirings to fatten up the roster and go at it that way. BUT if we want to clean house even if Melo stays at a discount it makes all the sense in the world to trade Shump now and hopefully draft a guy who can make the rotation

They could trade him before next season's trade deadline, assuming he blows up. There is a smaller window but it could lead to a better return. Shump's deal is expiring so I would think he'd be easy to unload to teams looking to clear space or teams looking to re-sign him. If it's cheap talent we're looking for, wouldn't we better off trying to get a high second round picks instead.

gunsnewing wrote:Signing ready made superstars has really worked oh well over the years

*sarcasm*

gunsnewing wrote:That's true. Amare is the only one. All the other moves mcdyess, Marbury & curry were horrible trades.

I'm just not sold on this particular free agent class. If we were getting Lebron or Durant it would be a different story

That is not happening which is why I rather hold on to the hole that we luck out with our 2015 pick. Draft out own franchise player. On a rookie contract and most bang for buck

gunsnewing wrote:So when Shump goes on to average 15 & 5+ elite defense with OKC while sefolosa goes the Ronnie brewer route and the 29th pick gets cut from he dleague. You will see Knicks fans complaining that another one of our young players are flourishing with their teams in the playoffs. Shandon Anderson all over again

Okc, clippers & celtics are desperate for a player like Shumpert. Especially okc where he can become the 3rd wheel to Durant and westbrook

In what world does Iman Shumpert supercede Ibaka's importance? To be perfectly honest, Iman hasn't shown much more than Thabo has and you're pouting about him possibly getting traded, as though he's some kind of star in the making.