yellowboy90 wrote:

knickscity wrote:Dont really feel like making this a Melo thread, so to stay within the lines of the actual topic.....

Kerr has played under two of the best coaches the game has ever seen in Phil and Pop, and was smart enough to flush D'antoni out of Phx by demanding he hire a defensive assistant.

To me that is priceless especially from a basketball team that can afford it

He also brought in Shaq. You take the good and you take the bad.Also, how many good coaches Woody played under or coached under?

Greatness by association is not a good measure of someone's worth. Then again maybe it is.

Let's go get Tyrone Lue.

Speaking of Lue doesnt he have assistant coaching experience?

yellowboy90 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

knickscity wrote:Dont really feel like making this a Melo thread, so to stay within the lines of the actual topic.....

Kerr has played under two of the best coaches the game has ever seen in Phil and Pop, and was smart enough to flush D'antoni out of Phx by demanding he hire a defensive assistant.

To me that is priceless especially from a basketball team that can afford it

He also brought in Shaq. You take the good and you take the bad.Also, how many good coaches Woody played under or coached under?

Greatness by association is not a good measure of someone's worth. Then again maybe it is.

Let's go get Tyrone Lue.

You're missing the point. Kerr actually contributed, he wasnt merely "by association".

Speaking of Lue doesnt he have assistant coaching experience?

Yes he does. He is working under Doc Rivers and played under Phil. Some people get breaks others have to work their way up. However would we feel the same if someone like Lue asked for 5 mil.

I really don't care just make a decision.

i think kerr being the flavor of the day is driving the cost partially. so i suspect lue would be getting laughed at on these boards at that $ figure.

yellowboy90 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

knickscity wrote:Dont really feel like making this a Melo thread, so to stay within the lines of the actual topic.....

Kerr has played under two of the best coaches the game has ever seen in Phil and Pop, and was smart enough to flush D'antoni out of Phx by demanding he hire a defensive assistant.

To me that is priceless especially from a basketball team that can afford it

He also brought in Shaq. You take the good and you take the bad.Also, how many good coaches Woody played under or coached under?

Greatness by association is not a good measure of someone's worth. Then again maybe it is.

Let's go get Tyrone Lue.

You're missing the point. Kerr actually contributed, he wasnt merely "by association".

Speaking of Lue doesnt he have assistant coaching experience?

Yes he does. He is working under Doc Rivers and played under Phil. Some people get breaks others have to work their way up. However would we feel the same if someone like Lue asked for 5 mil.

I really don't care just make a decision.

Now pay him and get that aspect done, i dont care what the man makes, as his salary doesnt affect the teams ability to acquire players.

Nalod wrote:

holfresh wrote:It's a money grab plain and simple...Kerr is living a modest life for a former NBA player with 5 rings...This is his shot to get paid and get paid big..This is more money than he has earned in his career as a player...He wants to go Hollywood...It's all good because I would do it too..Just don't tell me you are here to "change the culture" and "it's about winning" because you are doing what everyone else before you has done...Rape Dolan for as much as you can get...

If Melo walks, this is a 28 win team at best, triangle or no triangle...And if I'm Melo, I want as much as I can get too...

Where do you come up with this? He has a big job being on the top NBA announce team and has 6 months off. How do you know his financial status and level of motivation? His kids are at the age he feels its ok to move on. Daughter plays volleyball at Cali and Son hoop at San Diego State. He is not a big contributor on the team and maybe he is moving further down the bench. We don't know much about his famlily life, or financial holdings to even begin to speculate and have a valid opinion.

Then to just say "get hoilberg" because he might be a little less money? Why? They both got good hair?

We only know Kerr has not coached for family reasons and now that he is considering it he has at least 3 teams interested in him. He could even have been considered for some others as well.

Given that, he can ask for big money. Lets see what he gets.

BTW, if it works, who cares what he gets paid. It has no bearing on salary cap or Melo at all.

He has earned 15 mil in his career as a player, which means if he is smart, he still has about 5 mil left after taxes, maybe..5 mil ain't what it used to be...U can't ball with that in today's world...

For me it really it's not the dollar amount as the message that you are sending...Phil and Kerr is saying it's not about "culture Change" or Winning...It's about the money...Kerr is trying to make it difficult to fire him if he bombs and Phil is helping him...That's not in the best interest of the team...And if he gets ushered out quickly then he has a nice landing spot...Culture Change??..Sounds like the same ole, same ole, to me...

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:

holfresh wrote:It's a money grab plain and simple...Kerr is living a modest life for a former NBA player with 5 rings...This is his shot to get paid and get paid big..This is more money than he has earned in his career as a player...He wants to go Hollywood...It's all good because I would do it too..Just don't tell me you are here to "change the culture" and "it's about winning" because you are doing what everyone else before you has done...Rape Dolan for as much as you can get...

If Melo walks, this is a 28 win team at best, triangle or no triangle...And if I'm Melo, I want as much as I can get too...

Where do you come up with this? He has a big job being on the top NBA announce team and has 6 months off. How do you know his financial status and level of motivation? His kids are at the age he feels its ok to move on. Daughter plays volleyball at Cali and Son hoop at San Diego State. He is not a big contributor on the team and maybe he is moving further down the bench. We don't know much about his famlily life, or financial holdings to even begin to speculate and have a valid opinion.

Then to just say "get hoilberg" because he might be a little less money? Why? They both got good hair?

We only know Kerr has not coached for family reasons and now that he is considering it he has at least 3 teams interested in him. He could even have been considered for some others as well.

Given that, he can ask for big money. Lets see what he gets.

BTW, if it works, who cares what he gets paid. It has no bearing on salary cap or Melo at all.

He has earned 15 mil in his career as a player, which means if he is smart, he still has about 5 mil left after taxes, maybe..5 mil ain't what it used to be...U can't ball with that in today's world...

You make some bold assumptions that you know nothing about and it's making you sound less credible by each new sentence.

see above..

misterearl wrote:Zero

knickscity - how many games has Steve Kerr won as a coach?

Yes and how many mistresses has Mark Jackson had while preaching against sin at his church. We know of one, right? No thanks to any ultra religious coaches. Sorry, but that fact rubs me the wrong way even though it's not basketball related.

You also have to wonde about M Jackson in the sense that he got fired after a lot of success. That screams to me a person who clashes with management.

Hey since we are debating things we can never prove like all the reasons Kerr isn't as good of a coach as Jackson we might as well come up with fantasies like reasons why Jackson would clash
With Phil, right?

The fact that you continue to use Kerrs lack of coaching experience against him when your choice for coach was hired with zero experiwnce as well and thrived is really amazing, Earl. Nothing wrong with favoring Jackson but please don't be disengenuous with your reasoning.

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:Sure it does, you are asking the guy with his face on the marquee to take a pay cut and sacrifice as you and your pal is doing a money grab...

One has nothing to do with the other. 2 words: Salary cap.

It has everything to do with the message you are sending...

If anything, here's the message: culture gonna change, front office and coach on same page, players are next. The base seems to be solid enough

.???...Culture change?.??..Are you kidding ?...Money grab my friend...No change there ...

the players are constrained by a salary cap.

that's apples.

the front office personnel are not constrained by a salary cap.

that's oranges.

if dolan wants to spend money on gm's and coaches it has zero to do with carmelo anthony's salary. if carmelo wishes to see this as apples to apples then he is even more of a moron and douchebag than i already suspect him to be.

you want to imply hypocrisy and double standards to a scenario that does not admit them, and all to justify melo getting paid max money when he clearly doesn't deserve it and it would also hurt the team from doing what it needs to do.

lighten up-- why are you afraid of the knicks moving in the right direction after the owner has admitted he did not know what he was doing all this time? you think he is getting played?

lastly, jackson himself said in so many words that whether melo stays or goes is not as important as the team moving according to a long term plan. it's melo's choice if he wants to participate and seeing what phil and kerr earn should not factor into that decision.

So this isn't the greed u been talking about since Melo got here..It's all good now???? GM and Coach greed good, player greed bad???

greed only comes into play when there is a finite resource like a salary cap. an analogy is a pie. if there is only that specific pie then if you take so much of it that there is nothing left for anyone else then you have been greedy.

by contrast there is really no limit to how many pies cablevision produces. dolan can pay his front office whatever he pleases. hence no greed.

hard to imagine that you don't understand this, honestly.

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:

holfresh wrote:It's a money grab plain and simple...Kerr is living a modest life for a former NBA player with 5 rings...This is his shot to get paid and get paid big..This is more money than he has earned in his career as a player...He wants to go Hollywood...It's all good because I would do it too..Just don't tell me you are here to "change the culture" and "it's about winning" because you are doing what everyone else before you has done...Rape Dolan for as much as you can get...

If Melo walks, this is a 28 win team at best, triangle or no triangle...And if I'm Melo, I want as much as I can get too...

Where do you come up with this? He has a big job being on the top NBA announce team and has 6 months off. How do you know his financial status and level of motivation? His kids are at the age he feels its ok to move on. Daughter plays volleyball at Cali and Son hoop at San Diego State. He is not a big contributor on the team and maybe he is moving further down the bench. We don't know much about his famlily life, or financial holdings to even begin to speculate and have a valid opinion.

Then to just say "get hoilberg" because he might be a little less money? Why? They both got good hair?

We only know Kerr has not coached for family reasons and now that he is considering it he has at least 3 teams interested in him. He could even have been considered for some others as well.

Given that, he can ask for big money. Lets see what he gets.

BTW, if it works, who cares what he gets paid. It has no bearing on salary cap or Melo at all.

He has earned 15 mil in his career as a player, which means if he is smart, he still has about 5 mil left after taxes, maybe..5 mil ain't what it used to be...U can't ball with that in today's world...

I'd bet his ownership stake with the Suns is more than what he's made as a player and he actually helped Sarver BUY the Suns, no different than the lifetime checks he likely gets from that "situation" with his dad's assassination overseas.

Kerr aint struggling.

i bolded that part cuz im not sure folks know that or recall it about kerr. if they think the pressure of ny will get to him, i dont think it would. dude dealt with terrorism way before it really hit home in nyc. he was taunted by college kids about it as well.

that said, it doesnt mean he will do well or fail as a coach. nor does it mean he should get that much $. he seems to have gotten a lot of respect for his understanding of the game from other execs and fellow players. can that translate as a coach? i think thats why hes the flavor of the day.

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:Sure it does, you are asking the guy with his face on the marquee to take a pay cut and sacrifice as you and your pal is doing a money grab...

One has nothing to do with the other. 2 words: Salary cap.

It has everything to do with the message you are sending...

If anything, here's the message: culture gonna change, front office and coach on same page, players are next. The base seems to be solid enough

.???...Culture change?.??..Are you kidding ?...Money grab my friend...No change there ...

the players are constrained by a salary cap.

that's apples.

the front office personnel are not constrained by a salary cap.

that's oranges.

if dolan wants to spend money on gm's and coaches it has zero to do with carmelo anthony's salary. if carmelo wishes to see this as apples to apples then he is even more of a moron and douchebag than i already suspect him to be.

you want to imply hypocrisy and double standards to a scenario that does not admit them, and all to justify melo getting paid max money when he clearly doesn't deserve it and it would also hurt the team from doing what it needs to do.

lighten up-- why are you afraid of the knicks moving in the right direction after the owner has admitted he did not know what he was doing all this time? you think he is getting played?

lastly, jackson himself said in so many words that whether melo stays or goes is not as important as the team moving according to a long term plan. it's melo's choice if he wants to participate and seeing what phil and kerr earn should not factor into that decision.

So this isn't the greed u been talking about since Melo got here..It's all good now???? GM and Coach greed good, player greed bad???

greed only comes into play when there is a finite resource like a salary cap. an analogy is a pie. if there is only that specific pie then if you take so much of it that there is nothing left for anyone else then you have been greedy.

by contrast there is really no limit to how many pies cablevision produces. dolan can pay his front office whatever he pleases. hence no greed.

hard to imagine that you don't understand this, honestly.

When you get backed into a corner you start talking vagueness, sometimes using big words...

actually this is what has happened with you. all the words used are 6th grade level and the logic is ironclad.