NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

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Bonn1997 wrote:

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mreinman wrote:

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yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

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KNICKSdom wrote:Did the Pacers become the #1 seed without Hibbert? Hibbert is an efficient and effective down low center. Rare, they don't grow on trees. I think pacers signing Bynum was toxic to Hibbert in practices. Just saying.

Hibbert is neither efficient nor effective. People get pissy over Melo's play, despite his career TS% and eFG% being 54.7% and 48.3% respectively. Mind you, Melo is a perimeter player and of average NBA height. Meanwhile Hibbert's career TS% and eFG% are 51.3% and 46.8% as the tallest player in the NBA. And as far as his effectiveness goes, the guy averages just 11.6ppg and 7.2rpg, albeit as a good defender (under certain conditions). The dude has always been grossly overrated and is a prime candidate of a player that gets hyped because he is on a winning team.

nice

Stop adopting people in your league of saber-metrics.

it is my calling to empower people to overcome their addictive minds

All hail saber-metrics!

Now, do you still want Tyreke Evans, Josh Smooth and BJennings?

You need to flush those thoughts out of your system

LOL. To be fair, I never wanted Brandon Jennings and I'd ONLY take Tyreke Evans if it came in a package deal that rid us of Amar'e/Bargnani AND brought back both Jrue Holiday and Eric Gordon (overpaid but still good and effective).

I still would take Josh Smith before because I think he could be reached. His only issue is his shot selection and not necessarily his offense (after all, the guy was a league leader in his efficiency in the painted area the previous season). If we fix that through some Zen magic, he'd be an all-star candidate.

Josh Smith is a super talented bone head. If Phil wants to zenify him anew, I am all for it.

Phil's a great coach, not a magician. Have you noticed Josh Smith's salary?! They'd have to give me 4 1st round picks to take on that $hit

What do you honestly see us doing in 2015 and 2016 then?

2 seasons? Is the world coming to an end after 2016? I don't really know what Dolan/Phil will do. I can't say what I think they will do. I hope they'll base their decisions on the best available metrics and go for the best buys. I list the specific players I think are underpriced and would love to add at times. (Most recently I wrote in the Patrick Mills thread on that.) But I can't answer your question about what Dolan will do.

I ask because his salary is only an issue if the opportunity cost exceeds his value. After 2016, his contract could be dumped as an expirer. Personally, I don't mind acquiring Smith because the current NBA landscape would suggest that no current/future all-star will become a free agent. So why sit on the money, waiting for an eventuality that will never come? I'll take a look at your list in the other thread but NBA history has been littered with guys like Josh Smith, who are supposedly inefficient and ineffective that become both efficient and effective with better teammates (see Zach Randolph and Lamar Odom). $63 million is quite a bit of money and we could just as easily add Josh Smith and your guys as well, with Melo.

Efficiency is pretty stable. Big changes are rare and not worth gambling on. I don't have a problem with Smith. If you could divide his salary by ten, I'd gladly use a roster space on him and take that gamble.

Fair. I suppose that I'm too comfortable with spending other people's money, lol.

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

mreinman wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

KNICKSdom wrote:Did the Pacers become the #1 seed without Hibbert? Hibbert is an efficient and effective down low center. Rare, they don't grow on trees. I think pacers signing Bynum was toxic to Hibbert in practices. Just saying.

Hibbert is neither efficient nor effective. People get pissy over Melo's play, despite his career TS% and eFG% being 54.7% and 48.3% respectively. Mind you, Melo is a perimeter player and of average NBA height. Meanwhile Hibbert's career TS% and eFG% are 51.3% and 46.8% as the tallest player in the NBA. And as far as his effectiveness goes, the guy averages just 11.6ppg and 7.2rpg, albeit as a good defender (under certain conditions). The dude has always been grossly overrated and is a prime candidate of a player that gets hyped because he is on a winning team.

nice

Stop adopting people in your league of saber-metrics.

it is my calling to empower people to overcome their addictive minds

All hail saber-metrics!

Now, do you still want Tyreke Evans, Josh Smooth and BJennings?

You need to flush those thoughts out of your system

LOL. To be fair, I never wanted Brandon Jennings and I'd ONLY take Tyreke Evans if it came in a package deal that rid us of Amar'e/Bargnani AND brought back both Jrue Holiday and Eric Gordon (overpaid but still good and effective).

I still would take Josh Smith before because I think he could be reached. His only issue is his shot selection and not necessarily his offense (after all, the guy was a league leader in his efficiency in the painted area the previous season). If we fix that through some Zen magic, he'd be an all-star candidate.

Josh Smith is a super talented bone head. If Phil wants to zenify him anew, I am all for it.

Phil's a great coach, not a magician. Have you noticed Josh Smith's salary?! They'd have to give me 4 1st round picks to take on that $hit

I was being sarcastic. Phil would is not an idiot.

Josh Smith sucks to go along with his salbatross

Something is not right

misterearl wrote:Zero points and zero rebounds for Hibbert

Something is not right

Especially when you consider that the Hawks are not a particularly good rebounding team and Hibbert's defensive man is usually 6"8'. Even in spite of all of that, my eye was drawn to George Hill and how atrocious he looked in spite of the stats. He actually might be another Toney Douglas (as a fellow combo guard that is more 2 guard than anything) because he was making those kinds of bone-headed plays all night. After these playoffs, I'd stay away from both.

smackeddog wrote:Thing is, this isn't that new for Hibbert- he has gone through slumps that last weeks and months, pretty regularly throughout his career. People seemed to erase that from their minds due to last years ref assisted playoffs.

I take Roy. HIs size and skills right now are valuable and not easily found in the league. I look at what Phil Jackson was able to do with Pau Gasol who was a similar kinf od player to Roy in Memphis. He was a soft, jump shooter. Phil transformed him into a BEAST! Pau was already skilled but wasn't playing with fire. That changed dramatically for LA's title run.

What I'm saying is, unless Phil see's starter potential in Jeremy Tyler, I take a flyer on Roy for the 2 years remaining on his contract. After seeing whats gonna happen with Clipper's players of course.

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Knixkik wrote:Gotta love how quickly things change. One minute Hibbert is the run-a-way DPOY and a guy that every championship team needs and Indiana is the model franchise. Next minute no one wants Hibbert and Indiana is a joke.

WHEN did the pacers become a joke?

I guess the same time the knicks became the model of how to build a franchise?

Look at how everyone on the board and in the league is treating the Pacers. They are losing to a #8 seed who looked like they were trying to miss the playoffs on purpose. They are falling apart and likely won't look the same next year. It's possible that they have already peaked with this current core. George is proving unable to carry a team and has been terribly inefficent. A lot of things are coming to light with this squad. Not sure about Knicks being a model franchise, or how that plays into this conversation about the Pacers, but i can see your once model franchise is frustrating you very much as they are no longer that.