tkf wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

tkf wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

tkf wrote:

JS3 wrote:He can go where Woody goes...
And i love Melo.

You can see that the personal that Jackson is bringing is a combination of Bulls, and Lakers staff, this is the first selling point for Melo.

The second, a new coach, new system and new role players that will support Melo, as he plays the role of Jordan/Bryant.

If all the above is not enough for Melo, yes, he can leave NY, just let us know as soon as you can, you screwed us once in the mid season, you eff owe us

It's not just you, but I find it funny with a lot of fans who will profess their love for melo.. "and I love melo" "I love melo" "don't get me wrong I love melo"...

yet yall will say in the next breath things like, "You screwed us in the mid season" ... well how can you love a player that screws your team.. and he has done so more than just once....

I thought we were supposed to be knicks fans first.... which is why I say, I don't think some knick fans care if the knicks win, just as long as they win with someone " leading the knicks" " dragging us into the playoffs" "carrying us on his back".. what the hell ever happened to rooting for a team full of good players who play for each other..and win?

Really?
It's like saying "I love the Knicks but they suck right now". Saying "I love Melo" doesn't mean he puts him above the team. You had your favorite player before the trade. Were you more a fan of his or a fan of the Knicks?

Melo's a sore topic here to say the least and sometimes posters feel the need to preface that they don't actually hate him in order to no be lumped in with a certain crowd.

not sure how saying " I love the knicks but they suck" applies to anything that is said here.... my point is, how can you love a player that has sabotaged your team? sorry man but that analogy sucks... doesn't apply..

My favorite player doesn't even play on the knicks.. I had players I liked, when they were traded, I still wanted what was best for the knicks...,I would never want whats best for a player over the team... you have a problem with that?

Melo's a sore topic here to say the least and sometimes posters feel the need to preface that they don't actually hate him in order to no be lumped in with a certain crowd.

well the problem is people lumping people.. maybe if we focus more on the topics and less on what posters like, and who they are, this would not be a problem...

the point is, if you are a fan of the team, you should not be worrying about how people feel about one player.. carmelo should not be a sore topic, but he is because people are trying to force some knicks fans from expressing their displeasure with him and how he has pretty much hurt this franchise with how he got here, his lack of leadership and his big MOUTH!!

It's not just you, but I find it funny with a lot of fans who will profess their love for melo.. "and I love melo" "I love melo" "don't get me wrong I love melo"...
yet yall will say in the next breath things like, "You screwed us in the mid season" ... well how can you love a player that screws your team.. and he has done so more than just once....
I thought we were supposed to be knicks fans first.... which is why I say, I don't think some knick fans care if the knicks win, just as long as they win with someone " leading the knicks" " dragging us into the playoffs" "carrying us on his back".. what the hell ever happened to rooting for a team full of good players who play for each other..and win?

Does this sound the post of a person whos not worried about how people feel about one player?

NO.. it sounds like a person who is confused as to why people can't grasp the fact that if you are a knick fan, that should be the most important thing.... for example teamball since you seem to not get whats going on here..

If I say the KNICKS suck.. rarely do I get any opposition, maybe a few here and there..

If i say carmelo is a playoff loser..(which is a DAMN FACT) I get basically what amounts to internet death threats... see the difference?

I don't care if you love carmelo... I actually sympathize with some of his fans.. but don't tell me I am not a fan because I don't like this dude.. I have stated why I don't like him and why I don't want him on this team, and it is all basketball related.. I dislike him because I like the knicks more.. this clown, JR smith are at the bottom of my basketball list.. and for good reasons..

Great post.

Same here, I was always accused by other fans from other forums that I personally have a dispute with Melo and in fact, we just care for the TEAM.

fishmike wrote:I have no probs w/ the Chicago scenario... 3 picks, Taj and Boozer for Melo (S&T) and Bargs. Its a big step back but Taj is a beast and you get the picks to fill out the roster...

you think chicago would give us #15 and #19 in that deal, or just one? that'd be a coupe if we get them both AND gibson.

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:I have no probs w/ the Chicago scenario... 3 picks, Taj and Boozer for Melo (S&T) and Bargs. Its a big step back but Taj is a beast and you get the picks to fill out the roster...

What exactly does big step back from bottom 10 in the league even mean?!

Without Melo's play this season, we would have been on par with the Sixers and Bucks. Next year that's a good thing as we have our pick!

nyk4ever wrote:

fishmike wrote:I have no probs w/ the Chicago scenario... 3 picks, Taj and Boozer for Melo (S&T) and Bargs. Its a big step back but Taj is a beast and you get the picks to fill out the roster...

you think chicago would give us #15 and #19 in that deal, or just one? that'd be a coupe if we get them both AND gibson.

Depends on the Chi... doing a S&T where they dont have to amnesty Boozer saves them a lot of money. They are not the Knicks. Money matters to that ownership.

Also another option is a pick and draft rights to Mirotic and Taj. Thats a good start also.

smackeddog wrote:

fishmike wrote:I have no probs w/ the Chicago scenario... 3 picks, Taj and Boozer for Melo (S&T) and Bargs. Its a big step back but Taj is a beast and you get the picks to fill out the roster...

No way the Bulls will trade Taj- they love him. At best they probably offer 1 1st rounder, Butler/Snell and Boozer, plus a second rounder.

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

fishmike wrote:I have no probs w/ the Chicago scenario... 3 picks, Taj and Boozer for Melo (S&T) and Bargs. Its a big step back but Taj is a beast and you get the picks to fill out the roster...

No way the Bulls will trade Taj- they love him. At best they probably offer 1 1st rounder, Butler/Snell and Boozer, plus a second rounder.

That would be a good thing anyway but the idea that Melo is worth 20 or more wins is far-fetched. Most metrics experts wouldn't even say Lebron or Durant is worth that much.

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

fishmike wrote:I have no probs w/ the Chicago scenario... 3 picks, Taj and Boozer for Melo (S&T) and Bargs. Its a big step back but Taj is a beast and you get the picks to fill out the roster...

No way the Bulls will trade Taj- they love him. At best they probably offer 1 1st rounder, Butler/Snell and Boozer, plus a second rounder.

That would be a good thing anyway but the idea that Melo is worth 20 or more wins is far-fetched. Most metrics experts wouldn't even say Lebron or Durant is worth that much.

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

fishmike wrote:I have no probs w/ the Chicago scenario... 3 picks, Taj and Boozer for Melo (S&T) and Bargs. Its a big step back but Taj is a beast and you get the picks to fill out the roster...

No way the Bulls will trade Taj- they love him. At best they probably offer 1 1st rounder, Butler/Snell and Boozer, plus a second rounder.

That would be a good thing anyway but the idea that Melo is worth 20 or more wins is far-fetched. Most metrics experts wouldn't even say Lebron or Durant is worth that much.

more like 15 wins. 4 years w/o Melo Knicks averaged 30 wins. 4 years with Knicks average 45 wins. Considering they gutted the team and gave up every asset (gee wilikers!) thats pretty impressive. Metrics.

Melo owes Jason Kidd and a few other veterans a big thank you note for that calculation. With a truly gutted team, we're legitimately at the 37 win mark.

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:I have no probs w/ the Chicago scenario... 3 picks, Taj and Boozer for Melo (S&T) and Bargs. Its a big step back but Taj is a beast and you get the picks to fill out the roster...

What exactly does big step back from bottom 10 in the league even mean?!

Without Melo's play this season, we would have been on par with the Sixers and Bucks. Next year that's a good thing as we have our pick!

Replace Melo with a league min guy, and it's probably around 29-53 instead of 37-45. Replace him with a player or set of players actually worth $22 mil, and it's much better than 37-45 though

exactly..... I was thinking around 30 wins, but 29 is fine with me... add in a couple of players at 22 mil who are actually worth it as you said, and we are most likely still playing ball right now..

fishmike wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

fishmike wrote:I have no probs w/ the Chicago scenario... 3 picks, Taj and Boozer for Melo (S&T) and Bargs. Its a big step back but Taj is a beast and you get the picks to fill out the roster...

you think chicago would give us #15 and #19 in that deal, or just one? that'd be a coupe if we get them both AND gibson.

then tell them no S&T. They can amnesty Boozer and pay his $17mm. They can find somone to take Mike Dunleavy's contract. They can also figure on a bench of nothing but 2nd rounder and veteran min players.

Depends on the Chi... doing a S&T where they dont have to amnesty Boozer saves them a lot of money. They are not the Knicks. Money matters to that ownership.

Also another option is a pick and draft rights to Mirotic and Taj. Thats a good start also.

good point on telling chicago to amnesty boozer. i agree and think the knicks would hold all the cards in a deal like that - chicago is definitely in win-now mode since they have rose locked up for so long. i'd imagine they'd be willing to do almost anything to pair him up with a guy like melo to try and get whatever they can out of rose's contract before he's injured again.