nyk4ever wrote:i dont think he missed it crush, i think he just avoided it.

i just read it-- it's gobbledy-gook. not even god can make a four-flush beat a pair of deuces.

here's the substance of this ridiculous post:

"can't be defined" heh heh
"idea of what's going on in the draft" ha ha
"i think phil wants melo to stay" LOL

just painful

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:I voted for 20-24 million. It keeps him on par with players similar to him around the league. Players have to take less to play in NY under the current set up which is not tax adjusted. It is unrealistic to ask him to take 14 and effectively get paid less than players like D'Andre Jordan. 20-24 is the only realistic number he can take to play here. If he wants to take less on paper only (i.e. Lebron, Bosh, Howard), he can sign with Houston or Dallas if they can clear space. They need to tax adjust the cap to eliminate this loop hole. Howard may have wanted out of LA but saving 14% in tax by going to Hou makes it easier to leave the extra money LA can offer on the table.

+1
the voice of reason. I voted the same, but will hope against hope that someone of substance will want to come here and Melo will take even less than my vote to make it happen.

I believe Melo has enough brain matter to realize the end of those knees is near. Playing in Houston or in LA without Blake or D'andre is not getting him a ring. Kobe is toast. And just about anywhere else is more of a pipedream than NYC.

He will make his bed here, and PJax is smart enough to know that 68 + 5 year plan does not equate to a great exit legacy with this owner and no experience at draft building. He needs Melo and Melo needs him for this to work for either one of them.

Like fish is saying, where you gonna get this production?

replacing melo's type of production is like addition through subtraction. he makes others around him worse and is a miserable failure in the playoffs. so removing him should not be as big of a problem as you are making it out to be.

in case you haven't realized-- the knicks will be rebuilding. if he doesn't want to stick around for a rebuild then he should leave. he will be reviled forever for doing so but he made this bed.

Dk7th, thanks for hijacking this thread. I don't think you get the point. You are ridiculously critical of Melo's game but that being said even if all of your comments were true (they are not). They do not address my post or the point of the thread. What should Melo be paid. This needs to be based on what the market is baring in NBA FA. 12-15 puts you in lala land. Not even close to the market. Also, you fail to realize this is NY so factoring in taxes (any agency that represents these players are well aware of tax implications) means NY inherently has to pay more to offset the tax implications. It is pretty far fetched to think Melo would take 15 mil here when he could take far less then that in a tax free state and be on a better team that effectively gets more cap space bc the league doesn't adjust for taxes.

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:I voted for 20-24 million. It keeps him on par with players similar to him around the league. Players have to take less to play in NY under the current set up which is not tax adjusted. It is unrealistic to ask him to take 14 and effectively get paid less than players like D'Andre Jordan. 20-24 is the only realistic number he can take to play here. If he wants to take less on paper only (i.e. Lebron, Bosh, Howard), he can sign with Houston or Dallas if they can clear space. They need to tax adjust the cap to eliminate this loop hole. Howard may have wanted out of LA but saving 14% in tax by going to Hou makes it easier to leave the extra money LA can offer on the table.

+1
the voice of reason. I voted the same, but will hope against hope that someone of substance will want to come here and Melo will take even less than my vote to make it happen.

I believe Melo has enough brain matter to realize the end of those knees is near. Playing in Houston or in LA without Blake or D'andre is not getting him a ring. Kobe is toast. And just about anywhere else is more of a pipedream than NYC.

He will make his bed here, and PJax is smart enough to know that 68 + 5 year plan does not equate to a great exit legacy with this owner and no experience at draft building. He needs Melo and Melo needs him for this to work for either one of them.

Like fish is saying, where you gonna get this production?

replacing melo's type of production is like addition through subtraction. he makes others around him worse and is a miserable failure in the playoffs. so removing him should not be as big of a problem as you are making it out to be.

in case you haven't realized-- the knicks will be rebuilding. if he doesn't want to stick around for a rebuild then he should leave. he will be reviled forever for doing so but he made this bed.

In case you haven't read things lately, the only quote regarding direction we have from PJax the Saviour is "getting talent". It isn't "getting yoots".
Or "amassing draft picks while I turn 70 and feel the rest of my bone structure deteriorating". He's going to go starphucking. Welcome to NYC.

Yeah, Melo made this bed. 3 maybe 4 years in the playoffs after a decade plus drought. Some of the best individual performances since Ewing. What a sheethole experience he's left us so far.

How exactly, has Melo made THJr worse? Ray Felton is worse because of Melo? How's Stat look to you lately? Worse? ChanglingFluBoy is worse because of Melo? JR is worse? Are you seriously going to blame the flaming out of Iman on Melo? Prigs can't dunk because Melo is hogging the paths to the rim, right?

SMH

he does not mesh well with others, never has. the entire time he has been here has been an attempt to cater to his one alleged "strength," namely scoring. he is not a complete player and as such makes others around him worse because he does not do anything else well enough to make up for his way of scoring. it's not THAT he scores but HOW he scores that has always been the problem.

jackson may find a way to teach an old dog new tricks and i will leave that for him to decide, especially if melo is serious about winning in new york and by serious i mean remains a knick at a substantial discount.

you like to place blame on other players but that is just a wrong way to understand this game. if he knew how to play FOR others we would not be having this conversation.

Riiiiiight, he's a scorer alone. Another great basketball point by someone with so much insight into the Knicks that my 12 year old knows that:
1) He's averaging nearly 9 boards a game. Spin that for me please. I'm sure you're hatebuddy twin can come up with some algebraic equation that shows most, if not all his rebounds come off his own horrible shots.
2) He's led the team in steals for most of the season.
3) He's getting his share of fouls. Yes, some of them are offensive, but he is active on D. Every sports rag in NYC admits this. Hardly brings to mind memories of the beloved DLee.
4) You might want to read the other thread about assists and Carmelo Anthony. You might pick up something informational. Though I doubt it.

Look tkf, yet another post about basketball!

Bonn1997 wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:I voted for 20-24 million. It keeps him on par with players similar to him around the league. Players have to take less to play in NY under the current set up which is not tax adjusted. It is unrealistic to ask him to take 14 and effectively get paid less than players like D'Andre Jordan. 20-24 is the only realistic number he can take to play here. If he wants to take less on paper only (i.e. Lebron, Bosh, Howard), he can sign with Houston or Dallas if they can clear space. They need to tax adjust the cap to eliminate this loop hole. Howard may have wanted out of LA but saving 14% in tax by going to Hou makes it easier to leave the extra money LA can offer on the table.

+1
the voice of reason. I voted the same, but will hope against hope that someone of substance will want to come here and Melo will take even less than my vote to make it happen.

I believe Melo has enough brain matter to realize the end of those knees is near. Playing in Houston or in LA without Blake or D'andre is not getting him a ring. Kobe is toast. And just about anywhere else is more of a pipedream than NYC.

He will make his bed here, and PJax is smart enough to know that 68 + 5 year plan does not equate to a great exit legacy with this owner and no experience at draft building. He needs Melo and Melo needs him for this to work for either one of them.

Like fish is saying, where you gonna get this production?

replacing melo's type of production is like addition through subtraction. he makes others around him worse and is a miserable failure in the playoffs. so removing him should not be as big of a problem as you are making it out to be.

in case you haven't realized-- the knicks will be rebuilding. if he doesn't want to stick around for a rebuild then he should leave. he will be reviled forever for doing so but he made this bed.

Dk7th, thanks for hijacking this thread. I don't think you get the point. You are ridiculously critical of Melo's game but that being said even if all of your comments were true (they are not). They do not address my post or the point of the thread. What should Melo be paid. This needs to be based on what the market is baring in NBA FA. 12-15 puts you in lala land. Not even close to the market. Also, you fail to realize this is NY so factoring in taxes (any agency that represents these players are well aware of tax implications) means NY inherently has to pay more to offset the tax implications. It is pretty far fetched to think Melo would take 15 mil here when he could take far less then that in a tax free state and be on a better team that effectively gets more cap space bc the league doesn't adjust for taxes.

Why? Who says you must buy something for market value or that the market value is right? You always have the option of declining when you think the market has misjudged something. What you're willing to pay has to be based on what you think the item is worth, not what others ("the market") think the item is worth.

You disagree with the market on Melo. That is fine. Your opinion. Not gonna waste time trying to convince you. Just laying out facts. Real question for you though, the Knicks are working at a gap against market under the current CBA because of taxes. Do you think they can acquire/retain talent without paying competitively relative to market? I don't know how you think the Knicks will get players without paying competitively. It works that way in any business, so not sure why basketball would be an exception.

Bonn1997 wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:I voted for 20-24 million. It keeps him on par with players similar to him around the league. Players have to take less to play in NY under the current set up which is not tax adjusted. It is unrealistic to ask him to take 14 and effectively get paid less than players like D'Andre Jordan. 20-24 is the only realistic number he can take to play here. If he wants to take less on paper only (i.e. Lebron, Bosh, Howard), he can sign with Houston or Dallas if they can clear space. They need to tax adjust the cap to eliminate this loop hole. Howard may have wanted out of LA but saving 14% in tax by going to Hou makes it easier to leave the extra money LA can offer on the table.

+1
the voice of reason. I voted the same, but will hope against hope that someone of substance will want to come here and Melo will take even less than my vote to make it happen.

I believe Melo has enough brain matter to realize the end of those knees is near. Playing in Houston or in LA without Blake or D'andre is not getting him a ring. Kobe is toast. And just about anywhere else is more of a pipedream than NYC.

He will make his bed here, and PJax is smart enough to know that 68 + 5 year plan does not equate to a great exit legacy with this owner and no experience at draft building. He needs Melo and Melo needs him for this to work for either one of them.

Like fish is saying, where you gonna get this production?

replacing melo's type of production is like addition through subtraction. he makes others around him worse and is a miserable failure in the playoffs. so removing him should not be as big of a problem as you are making it out to be.

in case you haven't realized-- the knicks will be rebuilding. if he doesn't want to stick around for a rebuild then he should leave. he will be reviled forever for doing so but he made this bed.

Dk7th, thanks for hijacking this thread. I don't think you get the point. You are ridiculously critical of Melo's game but that being said even if all of your comments were true (they are not). They do not address my post or the point of the thread. What should Melo be paid. This needs to be based on what the market is baring in NBA FA. 12-15 puts you in lala land. Not even close to the market. Also, you fail to realize this is NY so factoring in taxes (any agency that represents these players are well aware of tax implications) means NY inherently has to pay more to offset the tax implications. It is pretty far fetched to think Melo would take 15 mil here when he could take far less then that in a tax free state and be on a better team that effectively gets more cap space bc the league doesn't adjust for taxes.

Why? Who says you must buy something for market value or that the market value is right? You always have the option of declining when you think the market has misjudged something. What you're willing to pay has to be based on what you think the item is worth, not what others ("the market") think the item is worth.

You disagree with the market on Melo. That is fine. Your opinion. Not gonna waste time trying to convince you. Just laying out facts. Real question for you though, the Knicks are working at a gap against market under the current CBA because of taxes. Do you think they can acquire/retain talent without paying competitively relative to market? I don't know how you think the Knicks will get players without paying competitively. It works that way in any business, so not sure why basketball would be an exception.

It's not an exception. You pay market value whenever you think that's a good bargain but don't when you think it's a bad bargain.

What about they Knicks gap against market because of the loop hole in the current CBA? Should we not compensate for this? Sounds like you think we should be an exception.

Bonn1997 wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:I voted for 20-24 million. It keeps him on par with players similar to him around the league. Players have to take less to play in NY under the current set up which is not tax adjusted. It is unrealistic to ask him to take 14 and effectively get paid less than players like D'Andre Jordan. 20-24 is the only realistic number he can take to play here. If he wants to take less on paper only (i.e. Lebron, Bosh, Howard), he can sign with Houston or Dallas if they can clear space. They need to tax adjust the cap to eliminate this loop hole. Howard may have wanted out of LA but saving 14% in tax by going to Hou makes it easier to leave the extra money LA can offer on the table.

+1
the voice of reason. I voted the same, but will hope against hope that someone of substance will want to come here and Melo will take even less than my vote to make it happen.

I believe Melo has enough brain matter to realize the end of those knees is near. Playing in Houston or in LA without Blake or D'andre is not getting him a ring. Kobe is toast. And just about anywhere else is more of a pipedream than NYC.

He will make his bed here, and PJax is smart enough to know that 68 + 5 year plan does not equate to a great exit legacy with this owner and no experience at draft building. He needs Melo and Melo needs him for this to work for either one of them.

Like fish is saying, where you gonna get this production?

replacing melo's type of production is like addition through subtraction. he makes others around him worse and is a miserable failure in the playoffs. so removing him should not be as big of a problem as you are making it out to be.

in case you haven't realized-- the knicks will be rebuilding. if he doesn't want to stick around for a rebuild then he should leave. he will be reviled forever for doing so but he made this bed.

Dk7th, thanks for hijacking this thread. I don't think you get the point. You are ridiculously critical of Melo's game but that being said even if all of your comments were true (they are not). They do not address my post or the point of the thread. What should Melo be paid. This needs to be based on what the market is baring in NBA FA. 12-15 puts you in lala land. Not even close to the market. Also, you fail to realize this is NY so factoring in taxes (any agency that represents these players are well aware of tax implications) means NY inherently has to pay more to offset the tax implications. It is pretty far fetched to think Melo would take 15 mil here when he could take far less then that in a tax free state and be on a better team that effectively gets more cap space bc the league doesn't adjust for taxes.

Why? Who says you must buy something for market value or that the market value is right? You always have the option of declining when you think the market has misjudged something. What you're willing to pay has to be based on what you think the item is worth, not what others ("the market") think the item is worth.

You disagree with the market on Melo. That is fine. Your opinion. Not gonna waste time trying to convince you. Just laying out facts. Real question for you though, the Knicks are working at a gap against market under the current CBA because of taxes. Do you think they can acquire/retain talent without paying competitively relative to market? I don't know how you think the Knicks will get players without paying competitively. It works that way in any business, so not sure why basketball would be an exception.

It's not an exception. You pay market value whenever you think that's a good bargain but don't when you think it's a bad bargain.

DK(tfk) thinks Gallo has a good contract and thinks Melo should be in a similar pay grade. Pretty much sums up that view. Every thread comes full cirle to their hate and Bonn will make sure your not mean when addressing such idiocy.

fishmike wrote:Bonn I can give about a million examples of how your simply wrong. A good bargain? You pay market value or you DONT GET. Are you an adult? Do you have car? An apartment? A house? A job? An education? Pretty sure if you dont think market value is a "good bargain" for you the other options are taking the bus, being homeless, being unemployed and having a high school education. But yea.. its all about good bargains. Market doesnt mean anything in life.

LOL! This is funny and pretty much spot on.

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

fishmike wrote:Bonn I can give about a million examples of how your simply wrong. A good bargain? You pay market value or you DONT GET. Are you an adult? Do you have car? An apartment? A house? A job? An education? Pretty sure if you dont think market value is a "good bargain" for you the other options are taking the bus, being homeless, being unemployed and having a high school education. But yea.. its all about good bargains. Market doesnt mean anything in life.

LOL! This is funny and pretty much spot on.