mreinman wrote:smackeddog wrote:mreinman wrote:smackeddog wrote:mreinman wrote:
My favorite player as I've stated many times is Noah. I reckon that he black.Perhaps you be verbalizing your own internal subliminal hate / racism?
If you actually read my posts before you idiotically inferred a racial bias, you would have a better idea of where I stand and the kind of players that I like.
I loved Chauncy Billups I beh-lee dat he black too.
But ... carry on
To be honest, I haven't even noticed you on these boards until a few weeks ago- only really noticed you on threads when you were praising guys like Dragic (who I like), Kevin love (whom I hate!), Hornacek (who I'm indifferent towards), etc- didn't see you proclaim your like of Noah (we're agreed on that!), or you mentioning of Billups.
You're in my bad books for attacking Allan Houston though- I get protective of my 90s Knicks! 
I actually liked Allen Houston and will never forget the shot he hit against Miami. I just think that he was overrated by knick fans just like we (way) overrate most of our players.
Comparing Houston to hornacek who made bubkes and Hornacek was a much better player yet most knick fans will probably say Houston was better. There was also very little data that was available then about players. Now things are viewed far differently and more correctly.
Hornacek was a grossly underrated player and will probably be underrated as a coach too. Most experts had the suns winning < 20 games this year yet they are at 43 wins and counting.
What do you hate about KLove? His defense?
My hate of Kevin love is probably not based on reason- he's just one of those players that annoys me. I'm also suspicious of players that put up monster stats but somehow their team doesn't win- I genuinely don't know why Kevin Loves stats don't translate to more wins, I know his teammates have been pretty poor so maybe that's it. The lack of defense also bothers me. I guess I worry that he'll be a Knick and we'll spend another 4/5 years with a main player who doesn't play defense- I'm sick of that.
I've been quite resistant to these advanced stats being brought into the game too- I suppose I can see the importance of efficient player, but I just end up liking players on things other than efficiency- grit, fire, competitiveness, toughness, heart- stuff that's hard to quantify.
Ok so you just don't like him. Ok ... everyone is entitled to not like a player without a specific reason. I never blame a player for his team's failure. A team is not just one guy. Rubio who I really loved coming in to NBA has not lived up to expectations. He is a great passer but a horrid shooter. The reason why they lose (according to advanced stats) is because outside of Love they have been a really bad shooting team.
There is a difference between liking players because of grit, fire, heart etc ... and them actually being good.
Rodman was a gritty player with a lot of heart but he was actually really great. So was garnett.
I here this argument about not being keen on advanced stats but that's just people talking because they don't know much about it and they think that their eyes are a better judge of talent. Every team is turning to advanced stats since they work and its proven. Any team that does not will suck because they acquire the wrong players like we have for years.
The eye test had me thinking that L. Aldridge was a top notch player but someone pointed me to his stats and they are very unimpressive. I would take Love over his in a heartbeat.
Like I have said before, if you start reading and following advanced stats your eyes will be opened to a new world and you will see badly you misinterpreted value before. In 3 years you won't ever hear anybody including fans saying that they don't buy into advanced stats.
You got to take advanced stats with a grain of salt though. Sometimes you don't need numbers to tell you what your eyes already see. And sometimes the numbers are flat out misleading e.g. Kyle Korver being a more efficient scorer than Wilt Chamberlain, Michael Jordan and the like(based on TS%). At their best, I think that they are just mere bread crumbs that require you to look at a broader-based picture (that involves the eye test) to get any real value out of them.
As for Aldridge, I've always thought that the guy was overrated. Big men whose primary offensive weapon are jump shots, should always be looked at suspiciously. As much as Love's jumper is a big part of his offensive game, he has a diverse enough repertoire to keep defenses honest. When you factor in Love's vastly superior rebounding numbers and passing abilities, Love has got to be the pick in a landslide. In fact, I don't think there is a big man at the 4 or 5 spot that I would take ahead of Kevin Love at the moment. He just has the great misfortune of having to deal with the fallout from David Kahn. He'd look good in a Knick jersey though, lol.
