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Bonn1997
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2/26/2014  8:51 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Marbury and Isiah were the face of the Knicks and you had people who defended and people who bashed them. How is Melo any different? We suck just as bad

I guess it's just easier to bash Dolan for everything since we all agree he sucks


We're slightly less bad but it's like asking what form of cancer you want. We're somewhere around .510 in the Melo era - We gave up all our young players, picks, and cap space just to have an average (and trending downward) team.
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2/26/2014  8:54 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Marbury and Isiah were the face of the Knicks and you had people who defended and people who bashed them. How is Melo any different? We suck just as bad

I guess it's just easier to bash Dolan for everything since we all agree he sucks


We're slightly less bad but it's like asking what form of cancer you want. We're somewhere around .510 in the Melo era - We gave up all our young players, picks, and cap space just to have an average (and trending downward) team.
Exactly. I actually like Melo but he just isn't Lebron or Durant which we desperately need because our owner is against developing good young talent through drafts
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2/26/2014  9:03 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/26/2014  9:04 AM
It's not all Melo. I blame the front office and coach more but I think it's fair to give Melo some blame for how he got here and for the whole Lin thing. And the CAA thing where melo's worth depreciated with every minute of linsanity. And we know how powerful a hold CAA has on this team and we signed towel boy Chris smith to an NBA contract.

Maybe Melo is more mature now and is only set on winning a ring but we will see. Hire a competent GM and a coach who won't sacrifice the rest of the 14 guys on the team to please Melo and CAA and we will see better days.

Then again will we ever see a day again as Knicks fans where it's NO NONSENSE just winning under Dohlan?

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2/26/2014  9:05 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Marbury and Isiah were the face of the Knicks and you had people who defended and people who bashed them. How is Melo any different? We suck just as bad

I guess it's just easier to bash Dolan for everything since we all agree he sucks


We're slightly less bad but it's like asking what form of cancer you want. We're somewhere around .510 in the Melo era - We gave up all our young players, picks, and cap space just to have an average (and trending downward) team.

when expectations are higher, the underachieving becomes even more of a disappointment.

and this makes it worse because we gave up a lot to acquire him, as he was touted as a franchise player by dolan and the vast majority of fans.

i have been saying it since december 2010: you don't ever trade for a guy like melo you acquire him only as a free agent. and when you acquire him as a free agent make sure he is going to fit and not be redundant!

what do we really have to look forward to next season? the melo era is an epic fail.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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2/26/2014  9:20 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/26/2014  9:20 AM
gunsnewing wrote:It's not all Melo. I blame the front office and coach more but I think it's fair to give Melo some blame for how he got here and for the whole Lin thing. And the CAA thing where melo's worth depreciated with every minute of linsanity. And we know how powerful a hold CAA has on this team and we signed towel boy Chris smith to an NBA contract.

Maybe Melo is more mature now and is only set on winning a ring but we will see. Hire a competent GM and a coach who won't sacrifice the rest of the 14 guys on the team to please Melo and CAA and we will see better days.

Then again will we ever see a day again as Knicks fans where it's NO NONSENSE just winning under Dohlan?


It's not only what we gave up for Melo; it's how much cap space he uses up too. He's a great volume scorer and, this year at least, a little above average in rebounding. That's worth James Harden territory salary like $12 to 15 mil a year but not more. If he and our other players had reasonable contracts, we'd be in a much better situation.
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2/26/2014  9:23 AM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Marbury and Isiah were the face of the Knicks and you had people who defended and people who bashed them. How is Melo any different? We suck just as bad

I guess it's just easier to bash Dolan for everything since we all agree he sucks


We're slightly less bad but it's like asking what form of cancer you want. We're somewhere around .510 in the Melo era - We gave up all our young players, picks, and cap space just to have an average (and trending downward) team.
Exactly. I actually like Melo but he just isn't Lebron or Durant which we desperately need because our owner is against developing good young talent through drafts

heck lebron and Druant are special talents, I would settle if he were more like a Paul George, another special talent, but not quite on the level of a lebron or Durant just yet..

But for the money carmelo is paid and what he is expecting to be paid.. we should be getting an elite all around talent.. and he is nothing close..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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2/26/2014  9:24 AM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Marbury and Isiah were the face of the Knicks and you had people who defended and people who bashed them. How is Melo any different? We suck just as bad

I guess it's just easier to bash Dolan for everything since we all agree he sucks


We're slightly less bad but it's like asking what form of cancer you want. We're somewhere around .510 in the Melo era - We gave up all our young players, picks, and cap space just to have an average (and trending downward) team.
Exactly. I actually like Melo but he just isn't Lebron or Durant which we desperately need because our owner is against developing good young talent through drafts
and Bonn.. thats on Melo? Melo gets blamed for every bad trade and roster move that happens after he gets here? Thats what I dont get.

Knicks are a losing team for 10 years.
Knicks get Melo.
Knicks become winning team, go to playoffs 3 straight years.
MSG front office makes its usual stupid moves. Team gets worse. Thats on Melo?

Melo is a cancer? Wow.

TFK's favorite player points a gun at his ladies head but Melo is problem and the cancer.
JR shoots 30% for a month and fails 3 piss tests, but Melo is problem and the cancer.
Everyone hear was watched Tyson regress, Iman tank, Amare break, KMart gimp but Melo is problem and the cancer.

This totally inept coach runs this guy into the ground and he continues to give us a chance to win games we have no right being in but Melo is problem and the cancer.

Might as well just look at playa's conspiracy videos.. they seem to have more reality than what people around here talk about.

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2/26/2014  9:25 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:It's not all Melo. I blame the front office and coach more but I think it's fair to give Melo some blame for how he got here and for the whole Lin thing. And the CAA thing where melo's worth depreciated with every minute of linsanity. And we know how powerful a hold CAA has on this team and we signed towel boy Chris smith to an NBA contract.

Maybe Melo is more mature now and is only set on winning a ring but we will see. Hire a competent GM and a coach who won't sacrifice the rest of the 14 guys on the team to please Melo and CAA and we will see better days.

Then again will we ever see a day again as Knicks fans where it's NO NONSENSE just winning under Dohlan?


It's not only what we gave up for Melo; it's how much cap space he uses up too. He's a great volume scorer and, this year at least, a little above average in rebounding. That's worth James Harden territory salary like $12 to 15 mil a year but not more. If he and our other players had reasonable contracts, we'd be in a much better situation.

I agree, because in the end, tyson chandler is overpaid as is amare... and you have to throw in bargnani... between the 4 of them, that is close to 70 mil a year in salaries.. that is just insane for what we are getting.. insane!!!! you can't win that way..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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2/26/2014  9:40 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/26/2014  9:41 AM
fishmike wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Marbury and Isiah were the face of the Knicks and you had people who defended and people who bashed them. How is Melo any different? We suck just as bad

I guess it's just easier to bash Dolan for everything since we all agree he sucks


We're slightly less bad but it's like asking what form of cancer you want. We're somewhere around .510 in the Melo era - We gave up all our young players, picks, and cap space just to have an average (and trending downward) team.
Exactly. I actually like Melo but he just isn't Lebron or Durant which we desperately need because our owner is against developing good young talent through drafts
and Bonn.. thats on Melo? Melo gets blamed for every bad trade and roster move that happens after he gets here? Thats what I dont get.

Knicks are a losing team for 10 years.
Knicks get Melo.
Knicks become winning team, go to playoffs 3 straight years.
MSG front office makes its usual stupid moves. Team gets worse. Thats on Melo?

Melo is a cancer? Wow.

TFK's favorite player points a gun at his ladies head but Melo is problem and the cancer.
JR shoots 30% for a month and fails 3 piss tests, but Melo is problem and the cancer.
Everyone hear was watched Tyson regress, Iman tank, Amare break, KMart gimp but Melo is problem and the cancer.

This totally inept coach runs this guy into the ground and he continues to give us a chance to win games we have no right being in but Melo is problem and the cancer.

Might as well just look at playa's conspiracy videos.. they seem to have more reality than what people around here talk about.


Did you not read your posts? How could you think you're qualified to assess reality?
And, if you were to say TKF has a lot of valid criticisms but exaggerates them, that would be a fair statement.
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2/26/2014  9:41 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/26/2014  9:44 AM
fishmike wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Marbury and Isiah were the face of the Knicks and you had people who defended and people who bashed them. How is Melo any different? We suck just as bad

I guess it's just easier to bash Dolan for everything since we all agree he sucks


We're slightly less bad but it's like asking what form of cancer you want. We're somewhere around .510 in the Melo era - We gave up all our young players, picks, and cap space just to have an average (and trending downward) team.
Exactly. I actually like Melo but he just isn't Lebron or Durant which we desperately need because our owner is against developing good young talent through drafts
and Bonn.. thats on Melo? Melo gets blamed for every bad trade and roster move that happens after he gets here? Thats what I dont get.

Knicks are a losing team for 10 years.
Knicks get Melo.
Knicks become winning team, go to playoffs 3 straight years.
MSG front office makes its usual stupid moves. Team gets worse. Thats on Melo?

Melo is a cancer? Wow.

TFK's favorite player points a gun at his ladies head but Melo is problem and the cancer.
JR shoots 30% for a month and fails 3 piss tests, but Melo is problem and the cancer.
Everyone hear was watched Tyson regress, Iman tank, Amare break, KMart gimp but Melo is problem and the cancer.

This totally inept coach runs this guy into the ground and he continues to give us a chance to win games we have no right being in but Melo is problem and the cancer.

Might as well just look at playa's conspiracy videos.. they seem to have more reality than what people around here talk about.

It's not. If he signs for $17-23mil for the 5yr duration of his contract and we get a coach in here that won't cater to Melo, CAA and Dolan he could be a key part of a championship run. That is reality I think not the other way around. Unless you are content with 1st and 2nd rd exits and missing th playoffs all together because after paying Melo $30mil we can field a deep talented roster.

Dolan is fine with that, are u?

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2/26/2014  9:45 AM

Too often, the debate over Melo appears to be all or none. He's either THE problem, or, he's faultless, in fact a victim...

I agree with those posters who see both sides. Roster is flawed, and Melo working incredibly hard, under a coach who has absolutely no guiding offensive structure, to, do his best to win. Admirable, and, this year, even with his bizarre 1-20? on late and close, its been his best year in NY.

However, I totally believe that, knowingly or not, he is a big reason this team is dysfunctional. The trade, inability to co-exist with Amare when he was still somewhat healthy, running MDA out of town,seeming to pout under Linsanity,i and, as the star of the team, seemingly show no effective leadership on defensive effort, or, shutting down knucklehead behavior.

Front office tried - mortgaged the future to put three All Stars (melo, Amare, Tyson) together, had some success last year. Time to move on, and signing him to a max deal is wrong for reasons of cap, age, and, mostly, as I honestly don't see - beyond Olympics or All Star teams (where he can be the brilliant shooter he is), what collection of players would gel with his game.

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2/26/2014  9:47 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/26/2014  9:51 AM
^exactly he is a part of the dysfunction. Good post

It goes deeper than just looking at stats. Their is a stench around Melo and the team that most functional organization don't have

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2/26/2014  9:51 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/26/2014  9:52 AM
gunsnewing wrote:
fishmike wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Marbury and Isiah were the face of the Knicks and you had people who defended and people who bashed them. How is Melo any different? We suck just as bad

I guess it's just easier to bash Dolan for everything since we all agree he sucks


We're slightly less bad but it's like asking what form of cancer you want. We're somewhere around .510 in the Melo era - We gave up all our young players, picks, and cap space just to have an average (and trending downward) team.
Exactly. I actually like Melo but he just isn't Lebron or Durant which we desperately need because our owner is against developing good young talent through drafts
and Bonn.. thats on Melo? Melo gets blamed for every bad trade and roster move that happens after he gets here? Thats what I dont get.

Knicks are a losing team for 10 years.
Knicks get Melo.
Knicks become winning team, go to playoffs 3 straight years.
MSG front office makes its usual stupid moves. Team gets worse. Thats on Melo?

Melo is a cancer? Wow.

TFK's favorite player points a gun at his ladies head but Melo is problem and the cancer.
JR shoots 30% for a month and fails 3 piss tests, but Melo is problem and the cancer.
Everyone hear was watched Tyson regress, Iman tank, Amare break, KMart gimp but Melo is problem and the cancer.

This totally inept coach runs this guy into the ground and he continues to give us a chance to win games we have no right being in but Melo is problem and the cancer.

Might as well just look at playa's conspiracy videos.. they seem to have more reality than what people around here talk about.

It's not. If he signs for $17-23mil for the 5yr duration of his contract and we get a coach in here that won't cater to Melo, CAA and Dolan he could be a key part of a championship run. That is reality I think not the other way around. Unless you are content with 1st and 2nd rd exits and missing th playoffs all together because after paying Melo $30mil we can field a deep talented roster.

Dolan is fine with that, are u?


You can't give 40% of the cap to a guy who's just a high volume scorer - not with this CBA since we can't even spend $5 mil per on an MLE any more. And especially not for a guy who will be in his 12th to 16th seasons during that contract. Ask yourself is a smart organization like the Spurs would do that. It's gotta be something like 4 yrs, $55 mil. Since he'd never do that, we should have traded him.
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2/26/2014  10:07 AM
gunsnewing wrote:
fishmike wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Marbury and Isiah were the face of the Knicks and you had people who defended and people who bashed them. How is Melo any different? We suck just as bad

I guess it's just easier to bash Dolan for everything since we all agree he sucks


We're slightly less bad but it's like asking what form of cancer you want. We're somewhere around .510 in the Melo era - We gave up all our young players, picks, and cap space just to have an average (and trending downward) team.
Exactly. I actually like Melo but he just isn't Lebron or Durant which we desperately need because our owner is against developing good young talent through drafts
and Bonn.. thats on Melo? Melo gets blamed for every bad trade and roster move that happens after he gets here? Thats what I dont get.

Knicks are a losing team for 10 years.
Knicks get Melo.
Knicks become winning team, go to playoffs 3 straight years.
MSG front office makes its usual stupid moves. Team gets worse. Thats on Melo?

Melo is a cancer? Wow.

TFK's favorite player points a gun at his ladies head but Melo is problem and the cancer.
JR shoots 30% for a month and fails 3 piss tests, but Melo is problem and the cancer.
Everyone hear was watched Tyson regress, Iman tank, Amare break, KMart gimp but Melo is problem and the cancer.

This totally inept coach runs this guy into the ground and he continues to give us a chance to win games we have no right being in but Melo is problem and the cancer.

Might as well just look at playa's conspiracy videos.. they seem to have more reality than what people around here talk about.

It's not. If he signs for $17-23mil for the 5yr duration of his contract and we get a coach in here that won't cater to Melo, CAA and Dolan he could be a key part of a championship run. That is reality I think not the other way around. Unless you are content with 1st and 2nd rd exits and missing th playoffs all together because after paying Melo $30mil we can field a deep talented roster.

Dolan is fine with that, are u?

Guns... he's been here for 4 years at $17-23 mill. He's been an all star every year. He was 3rd in the MVP voting last year when the team was good enough to make his production in the box score stick.

You could have high draft picks for a decade and good talent people and not be able to draft a player of Melo's caliber. We have seen it. Ask the Bulls and Krause.

I have no fear of rebuilding. Was Gallo, Will Chandler and Felton getting us deep into the playoffs? Let me remind you they were zero impact players until you stuck a STAR player next to them in Amare. David Lee put up 20/12/55% ( the epitome of a Bonn TS% spank fest) and that team stunk.

So yea... Ill take the first and second round exits. You know why? because at least then you can tell how good your players are. Otherwise your stuck wondering if the Gallo, Wilson Chandler and David Lee's on your team are even worth resigning.

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2/26/2014  10:11 AM
fishmike wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
fishmike wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Marbury and Isiah were the face of the Knicks and you had people who defended and people who bashed them. How is Melo any different? We suck just as bad

I guess it's just easier to bash Dolan for everything since we all agree he sucks


We're slightly less bad but it's like asking what form of cancer you want. We're somewhere around .510 in the Melo era - We gave up all our young players, picks, and cap space just to have an average (and trending downward) team.
Exactly. I actually like Melo but he just isn't Lebron or Durant which we desperately need because our owner is against developing good young talent through drafts
and Bonn.. thats on Melo? Melo gets blamed for every bad trade and roster move that happens after he gets here? Thats what I dont get.

Knicks are a losing team for 10 years.
Knicks get Melo.
Knicks become winning team, go to playoffs 3 straight years.
MSG front office makes its usual stupid moves. Team gets worse. Thats on Melo?

Melo is a cancer? Wow.

TFK's favorite player points a gun at his ladies head but Melo is problem and the cancer.
JR shoots 30% for a month and fails 3 piss tests, but Melo is problem and the cancer.
Everyone hear was watched Tyson regress, Iman tank, Amare break, KMart gimp but Melo is problem and the cancer.

This totally inept coach runs this guy into the ground and he continues to give us a chance to win games we have no right being in but Melo is problem and the cancer.

Might as well just look at playa's conspiracy videos.. they seem to have more reality than what people around here talk about.

It's not. If he signs for $17-23mil for the 5yr duration of his contract and we get a coach in here that won't cater to Melo, CAA and Dolan he could be a key part of a championship run. That is reality I think not the other way around. Unless you are content with 1st and 2nd rd exits and missing th playoffs all together because after paying Melo $30mil we can field a deep talented roster.

Dolan is fine with that, are u?

Guns... he's been here for 4 years at $17-23 mill. He's been an all star every year. He was 3rd in the MVP voting last year when the team was good enough to make his production in the box score stick.

You could have high draft picks for a decade and good talent people and not be able to draft a player of Melo's caliber. We have seen it. Ask the Bulls and Krause.

I have no fear of rebuilding. Was Gallo, Will Chandler and Felton getting us deep into the playoffs? Let me remind you they were zero impact players until you stuck a STAR player next to them in Amare. David Lee put up 20/12/55% ( the epitome of a Bonn TS% spank fest) and that team stunk.

So yea... Ill take the first and second round exits. You know why? because at least then you can tell how good your players are. Otherwise your stuck wondering if the Gallo, Wilson Chandler and David Lee's on your team are even worth resigning.


LOL - if you can't an argument, as might as well attribute inaccurate beliefs to someone else and point out that your beliefs are smarter than those.
Seriously, what have you learned from this season? How did you get not only the Knicks but the entire conference so wrong?
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2/26/2014  10:12 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
fishmike wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Marbury and Isiah were the face of the Knicks and you had people who defended and people who bashed them. How is Melo any different? We suck just as bad

I guess it's just easier to bash Dolan for everything since we all agree he sucks


We're slightly less bad but it's like asking what form of cancer you want. We're somewhere around .510 in the Melo era - We gave up all our young players, picks, and cap space just to have an average (and trending downward) team.
Exactly. I actually like Melo but he just isn't Lebron or Durant which we desperately need because our owner is against developing good young talent through drafts
and Bonn.. thats on Melo? Melo gets blamed for every bad trade and roster move that happens after he gets here? Thats what I dont get.

Knicks are a losing team for 10 years.
Knicks get Melo.
Knicks become winning team, go to playoffs 3 straight years.
MSG front office makes its usual stupid moves. Team gets worse. Thats on Melo?

Melo is a cancer? Wow.

TFK's favorite player points a gun at his ladies head but Melo is problem and the cancer.
JR shoots 30% for a month and fails 3 piss tests, but Melo is problem and the cancer.
Everyone hear was watched Tyson regress, Iman tank, Amare break, KMart gimp but Melo is problem and the cancer.

This totally inept coach runs this guy into the ground and he continues to give us a chance to win games we have no right being in but Melo is problem and the cancer.

Might as well just look at playa's conspiracy videos.. they seem to have more reality than what people around here talk about.

It's not. If he signs for $17-23mil for the 5yr duration of his contract and we get a coach in here that won't cater to Melo, CAA and Dolan he could be a key part of a championship run. That is reality I think not the other way around. Unless you are content with 1st and 2nd rd exits and missing th playoffs all together because after paying Melo $30mil we can field a deep talented roster.

Dolan is fine with that, are u?


You can't give 40% of the cap to a guy who's just a high volume scorer - not with this CBA since we can't even spend $5 mil per on an MLE any more. And especially not for a guy who will be in his 12th to 16th seasons during that contract. Ask yourself is a smart organization like the Spurs would do that. It's gotta be something like 4 yrs, $55 mil. Since he'd never do that, we should have traded him.
lol... just a high volume scorer. Yea... thats all he is. top 20 rebounder. One of the best 3 point shooters in the game right now. 2nd leading scorer. Yea bonnie... he's just a volume shooter. Kinda like just a volume poster. 10 time all star? Boy they must really value volume. Go watch a game
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2/26/2014  10:14 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/26/2014  10:14 AM
fishmike wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
fishmike wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Marbury and Isiah were the face of the Knicks and you had people who defended and people who bashed them. How is Melo any different? We suck just as bad

I guess it's just easier to bash Dolan for everything since we all agree he sucks


We're slightly less bad but it's like asking what form of cancer you want. We're somewhere around .510 in the Melo era - We gave up all our young players, picks, and cap space just to have an average (and trending downward) team.
Exactly. I actually like Melo but he just isn't Lebron or Durant which we desperately need because our owner is against developing good young talent through drafts
and Bonn.. thats on Melo? Melo gets blamed for every bad trade and roster move that happens after he gets here? Thats what I dont get.

Knicks are a losing team for 10 years.
Knicks get Melo.
Knicks become winning team, go to playoffs 3 straight years.
MSG front office makes its usual stupid moves. Team gets worse. Thats on Melo?

Melo is a cancer? Wow.

TFK's favorite player points a gun at his ladies head but Melo is problem and the cancer.
JR shoots 30% for a month and fails 3 piss tests, but Melo is problem and the cancer.
Everyone hear was watched Tyson regress, Iman tank, Amare break, KMart gimp but Melo is problem and the cancer.

This totally inept coach runs this guy into the ground and he continues to give us a chance to win games we have no right being in but Melo is problem and the cancer.

Might as well just look at playa's conspiracy videos.. they seem to have more reality than what people around here talk about.

It's not. If he signs for $17-23mil for the 5yr duration of his contract and we get a coach in here that won't cater to Melo, CAA and Dolan he could be a key part of a championship run. That is reality I think not the other way around. Unless you are content with 1st and 2nd rd exits and missing th playoffs all together because after paying Melo $30mil we can field a deep talented roster.

Dolan is fine with that, are u?


You can't give 40% of the cap to a guy who's just a high volume scorer - not with this CBA since we can't even spend $5 mil per on an MLE any more. And especially not for a guy who will be in his 12th to 16th seasons during that contract. Ask yourself is a smart organization like the Spurs would do that. It's gotta be something like 4 yrs, $55 mil. Since he'd never do that, we should have traded him.
lol... just a high volume scorer. Yea... thats all he is. top 20 rebounder. One of the best 3 point shooters in the game right now. 2nd leading scorer. Yea bonnie... he's just a volume shooter. Kinda like just a volume poster. 10 time all star? Boy they must really value volume. Go watch a game

Sure, in a contract season he's been an above average rebounder. Big deal.
I'll pass on your suggestion to use the eyeball test that led you to get the entire conference wrong. I don't strive to be as deluded as you are.

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2/26/2014  10:16 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
fishmike wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Marbury and Isiah were the face of the Knicks and you had people who defended and people who bashed them. How is Melo any different? We suck just as bad

I guess it's just easier to bash Dolan for everything since we all agree he sucks


We're slightly less bad but it's like asking what form of cancer you want. We're somewhere around .510 in the Melo era - We gave up all our young players, picks, and cap space just to have an average (and trending downward) team.
Exactly. I actually like Melo but he just isn't Lebron or Durant which we desperately need because our owner is against developing good young talent through drafts
and Bonn.. thats on Melo? Melo gets blamed for every bad trade and roster move that happens after he gets here? Thats what I dont get.

Knicks are a losing team for 10 years.
Knicks get Melo.
Knicks become winning team, go to playoffs 3 straight years.
MSG front office makes its usual stupid moves. Team gets worse. Thats on Melo?

Melo is a cancer? Wow.

TFK's favorite player points a gun at his ladies head but Melo is problem and the cancer.
JR shoots 30% for a month and fails 3 piss tests, but Melo is problem and the cancer.
Everyone hear was watched Tyson regress, Iman tank, Amare break, KMart gimp but Melo is problem and the cancer.

This totally inept coach runs this guy into the ground and he continues to give us a chance to win games we have no right being in but Melo is problem and the cancer.

Might as well just look at playa's conspiracy videos.. they seem to have more reality than what people around here talk about.

It's not. If he signs for $17-23mil for the 5yr duration of his contract and we get a coach in here that won't cater to Melo, CAA and Dolan he could be a key part of a championship run. That is reality I think not the other way around. Unless you are content with 1st and 2nd rd exits and missing th playoffs all together because after paying Melo $30mil we can field a deep talented roster.

Dolan is fine with that, are u?

Guns... he's been here for 4 years at $17-23 mill. He's been an all star every year. He was 3rd in the MVP voting last year when the team was good enough to make his production in the box score stick.

You could have high draft picks for a decade and good talent people and not be able to draft a player of Melo's caliber. We have seen it. Ask the Bulls and Krause.

I have no fear of rebuilding. Was Gallo, Will Chandler and Felton getting us deep into the playoffs? Let me remind you they were zero impact players until you stuck a STAR player next to them in Amare. David Lee put up 20/12/55% ( the epitome of a Bonn TS% spank fest) and that team stunk.

So yea... Ill take the first and second round exits. You know why? because at least then you can tell how good your players are. Otherwise your stuck wondering if the Gallo, Wilson Chandler and David Lee's on your team are even worth resigning.


LOL - if you can't an argument, as might as well attribute inaccurate beliefs to someone else and point out that your beliefs are smarter than those.
Seriously, what have you learned from this season? How did you get not only the Knicks but the entire conference so wrong?
are you talking about you?

Are you adding anything here... sorry, I was talking to guns

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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2/26/2014  10:17 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/26/2014  10:20 AM
fishmike wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
fishmike wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Marbury and Isiah were the face of the Knicks and you had people who defended and people who bashed them. How is Melo any different? We suck just as bad

I guess it's just easier to bash Dolan for everything since we all agree he sucks


We're slightly less bad but it's like asking what form of cancer you want. We're somewhere around .510 in the Melo era - We gave up all our young players, picks, and cap space just to have an average (and trending downward) team.
Exactly. I actually like Melo but he just isn't Lebron or Durant which we desperately need because our owner is against developing good young talent through drafts
and Bonn.. thats on Melo? Melo gets blamed for every bad trade and roster move that happens after he gets here? Thats what I dont get.

Knicks are a losing team for 10 years.
Knicks get Melo.
Knicks become winning team, go to playoffs 3 straight years.
MSG front office makes its usual stupid moves. Team gets worse. Thats on Melo?

Melo is a cancer? Wow.

TFK's favorite player points a gun at his ladies head but Melo is problem and the cancer.
JR shoots 30% for a month and fails 3 piss tests, but Melo is problem and the cancer.
Everyone hear was watched Tyson regress, Iman tank, Amare break, KMart gimp but Melo is problem and the cancer.

This totally inept coach runs this guy into the ground and he continues to give us a chance to win games we have no right being in but Melo is problem and the cancer.

Might as well just look at playa's conspiracy videos.. they seem to have more reality than what people around here talk about.

It's not. If he signs for $17-23mil for the 5yr duration of his contract and we get a coach in here that won't cater to Melo, CAA and Dolan he could be a key part of a championship run. That is reality I think not the other way around. Unless you are content with 1st and 2nd rd exits and missing th playoffs all together because after paying Melo $30mil we can field a deep talented roster.

Dolan is fine with that, are u?

Guns... he's been here for 4 years at $17-23 mill. He's been an all star every year. He was 3rd in the MVP voting last year when the team was good enough to make his production in the box score stick.

You could have high draft picks for a decade and good talent people and not be able to draft a player of Melo's caliber. We have seen it. Ask the Bulls and Krause.

I have no fear of rebuilding. Was Gallo, Will Chandler and Felton getting us deep into the playoffs? Let me remind you they were zero impact players until you stuck a STAR player next to them in Amare. David Lee put up 20/12/55% ( the epitome of a Bonn TS% spank fest) and that team stunk.

So yea... Ill take the first and second round exits. You know why? because at least then you can tell how good your players are. Otherwise your stuck wondering if the Gallo, Wilson Chandler and David Lee's on your team are even worth resigning.


LOL - if you can't an argument, as might as well attribute inaccurate beliefs to someone else and point out that your beliefs are smarter than those.
Seriously, what have you learned from this season? How did you get not only the Knicks but the entire conference so wrong?
are you talking about you?

Are you adding anything here... sorry, I was talking to guns


So you refer to Guns as "Bonn" now?
And, no, I'm referring to the Fishy guy who got the whole conference wrong. Have you learned anything from being so wrong?
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2/26/2014  10:26 AM
I feel bad for all of us for choosing to root for this pathetic organization

I miss the 90s Knicks more than ever. No Dolan and competent people running the show. Riley, JVG, checketts and grundfeld. Look at what has happened since Dolan took over late in 1998

what else can melo do?! 44 pts, 9 boards?

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