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TeamBall wrote:What are you trying to say exactly? That this team wouldn't be in this situation if Melo didn't force that trade? It's not like we weren't a laughingstock before Melo got here anyway. Had it not been Melo, it would have been someone else. Maybe even Deron Williams....

we were 28-26 and we were not a laughingstock. we were rebuilding. at least deron williams would have been filling a position of need that would fit properly with stoudemire. can't predict injuries.

is melo an innocent victim? just try to answer the question. if you don't answer in yes/no then you are just playing games.

Lol wtf is with the tone? You never asked me that question once. No he's not. I've stated several times that I mainly fault him for not asserting that the Knicks were the only team he wanted to go to and the only team he would sign the extension with. When he kept entertaining the idea of signing with the Nets, it allowed both Denver and Jersey to drive up the price. You happy?

As for the 28-26 team, I was talking in all the accumulated years before Melo got here. We were most certainly a laughing stock. Donnie was supposed to come here and erase that and he ended up making some atrocious trades (some that I believe Crush has pointed out before) and signing Amare and D'antoni. So we were a joke before this, weren't too big of a joke last season, and are now headed towards being a joke once again. You cannot blame all of that on Melo.

cool. so melo helped create the mess here. glad you see it that way. i thought it would end up a mess the minute the trade happened. pissed me off.

donnie was "supposed to" clean up someone else's mess, and he did. he needed two years to do it and most were surprised that it took so little time, the mess was so horrific. in so doing he also tried to create a healthy culture that could germinate and bear fruit.

lbj collusion and plan b? okay so amare comes in and walsh, not having a decent pg to acquire, decided to give felton a two year audition and very little money until an upgrade was available. i liked that plan. i liked the young players we had. i liked that we were 28-26 and a sixth seed. there was something germinal about that team. germinal means fragile, delicate, but with some room for development. and no rebuild is going to be perfect and without blemishes. but the plan was to rebuild and that would not take the first two years of walsh's tenure but rather the next 3-5 years.

the melo trade destroyed all that. he didn't care about what sort of knick team he came to and now the chickens are coming home to roost. **** him!

Donnie was brought here to clear up room for a big name free agent. The focus was always on landing Lebron and pairing him with another big name. Him giving max money to an uninsured Amare after we struck out should say enough about the intentions of the franchise when he was here. Once again, had it not been Melo, those guys would have been shipped off for something else or just let go altogether since they were due for a payday.

you can't know that. i am dealing with facts not conjecture.

so far as walsh's intents with stoudemire, it is not a fact that it was a mistake to acquire him but it is a fact that walsh had to start someplace that summer. why is that a fact? because we all suffered from two years of emptiness and walsh had to reward our patience. it was necessary.

melo's acquisition was not a necessity-- that is a fact.

That doesnt sound like a problem to you? That actually almost lends itself to my precious point that you just said was conjecture (I'm not saying it's without a doubt fact, but it's an inference could make after seeing this franchise operate). "hey man, we watched this team suck for 2 so get us a big name player that we can go watch". That kind of fan impatience and entitlement can be the reason that we don't do the rebuild that some a clamoring for.

no i see no problem with that. if i am a typical bread and circuses fan i don't want to wait to see another season without a star player. me? i was kind of <meh> about it as i felt that the next step was to get a point guard that would help amare excel. instead we got felton. that's worse than <meh>.

both were walsh moves.

but acquiring melo is the worst sort of pandering to the majority of knicks fans who are clearly quite stupid.

this was a dolan move.

You just said signing Amare was Walsh's way of "rewarding our patience" because we sucked for 2 years. How is that not pandering to the majority of Knick fans?

i would have gladly waited but then i am am always in minority about the knicks. how about you> would you have gladly waited?

You didn't answer the question. Why is Melo's trade pandering to fans but Amare's signing isn't?

because walsh wanted to rebuild and that 2010-11 season was the first season of rebuild, after two season's of flushing thomas's poopoo away. that is not pandering. walsh is smarter than the fanbase but understands that they waited patiently for lebron james. so something had to be done. had to = necessity.

because dolan wanted a star player regardless of rebuild and regardless of fit. that is pandering. when you abandon a plan and want to put asses in seats because of a fool's gold superstar that is what you do, by choice. if you want to rebuild you have to have someone who is smarter than the fanbase. dolan is just as stupid -- and impatient-- as the fanbase. moreover he doesn't want to win so much as entertain the fanbase. as most posters have indicated hey it's his money just so long as i am entertained. the fanbase deserve the owner they have and the sort of player melo is. it isn't about winning.

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:What are you trying to say exactly? That this team wouldn't be in this situation if Melo didn't force that trade? It's not like we weren't a laughingstock before Melo got here anyway. Had it not been Melo, it would have been someone else. Maybe even Deron Williams....

we were 28-26 and we were not a laughingstock. we were rebuilding. at least deron williams would have been filling a position of need that would fit properly with stoudemire. can't predict injuries.

is melo an innocent victim? just try to answer the question. if you don't answer in yes/no then you are just playing games.

Lol wtf is with the tone? You never asked me that question once. No he's not. I've stated several times that I mainly fault him for not asserting that the Knicks were the only team he wanted to go to and the only team he would sign the extension with. When he kept entertaining the idea of signing with the Nets, it allowed both Denver and Jersey to drive up the price. You happy?

As for the 28-26 team, I was talking in all the accumulated years before Melo got here. We were most certainly a laughing stock. Donnie was supposed to come here and erase that and he ended up making some atrocious trades (some that I believe Crush has pointed out before) and signing Amare and D'antoni. So we were a joke before this, weren't too big of a joke last season, and are now headed towards being a joke once again. You cannot blame all of that on Melo.

cool. so melo helped create the mess here. glad you see it that way. i thought it would end up a mess the minute the trade happened. pissed me off.

donnie was "supposed to" clean up someone else's mess, and he did. he needed two years to do it and most were surprised that it took so little time, the mess was so horrific. in so doing he also tried to create a healthy culture that could germinate and bear fruit.

lbj collusion and plan b? okay so amare comes in and walsh, not having a decent pg to acquire, decided to give felton a two year audition and very little money until an upgrade was available. i liked that plan. i liked the young players we had. i liked that we were 28-26 and a sixth seed. there was something germinal about that team. germinal means fragile, delicate, but with some room for development. and no rebuild is going to be perfect and without blemishes. but the plan was to rebuild and that would not take the first two years of walsh's tenure but rather the next 3-5 years.

the melo trade destroyed all that. he didn't care about what sort of knick team he came to and now the chickens are coming home to roost. **** him!

Donnie was brought here to clear up room for a big name free agent. The focus was always on landing Lebron and pairing him with another big name. Him giving max money to an uninsured Amare after we struck out should say enough about the intentions of the franchise when he was here. Once again, had it not been Melo, those guys would have been shipped off for something else or just let go altogether since they were due for a payday.

you can't know that. i am dealing with facts not conjecture.

so far as walsh's intents with stoudemire, it is not a fact that it was a mistake to acquire him but it is a fact that walsh had to start someplace that summer. why is that a fact? because we all suffered from two years of emptiness and walsh had to reward our patience. it was necessary.

melo's acquisition was not a necessity-- that is a fact.

That doesnt sound like a problem to you? That actually almost lends itself to my precious point that you just said was conjecture (I'm not saying it's without a doubt fact, but it's an inference could make after seeing this franchise operate). "hey man, we watched this team suck for 2 so get us a big name player that we can go watch". That kind of fan impatience and entitlement can be the reason that we don't do the rebuild that some a clamoring for.

no i see no problem with that. if i am a typical bread and circuses fan i don't want to wait to see another season without a star player. me? i was kind of <meh> about it as i felt that the next step was to get a point guard that would help amare excel. instead we got felton. that's worse than <meh>.

both were walsh moves.

but acquiring melo is the worst sort of pandering to the majority of knicks fans who are clearly quite stupid.

this was a dolan move.

You just said signing Amare was Walsh's way of "rewarding our patience" because we sucked for 2 years. How is that not pandering to the majority of Knick fans?

i would have gladly waited but then i am am always in minority about the knicks. how about you> would you have gladly waited?

You didn't answer the question. Why is Melo's trade pandering to fans but Amare's signing isn't?

because walsh wanted to rebuild and that 2010-11 season was the first season of rebuild, after two season's of flushing thomas's poopoo away. that is not pandering. walsh is smarter than the fanbase but understands that they waited patiently for lebron james. so something had to be done. had to = necessity.

because dolan wanted a star player regardless of rebuild and regardless of fit. that is pandering. when you abandon a plan and want to put asses in seats because of a fool's gold superstar that is what you do, by choice. if you want to rebuild you have to have someone who is smarter than the fanbase. dolan is just as stupid -- and impatient-- as the fanbase. moreover he doesn't want to win so much as entertain the fanbase. as most posters have indicated hey it's his money just so long as i am entertained. the fanbase deserve the owner they have and the sort of player melo is. it isn't about winning.