chewy wrote:Marc Stein said deals are not happening for the Knicks bc no one will take Felton. Hawks and now Clippers. He even hurts us on his day off.

That's fine. Just make a deal without Felton. We can get rid of him later on. Point is we get a starting caliber PG for a SG who we will not keep long-term. Felton can possibly excel in a limited role as a combo guard off the bench. We upgrade the position and don't skip a beat at the SG position.

Vmart wrote:

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Vmart wrote:

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CrushAlot wrote:Reddick is out for awhile with a bulging did in his back. They need shump. Also wouldn't be surprised if they brought brown back.

rivers has always talked about getting more athetic on the wings and a change of scenery may be good for shumpert..

collison is a no brainer as a starter here..

Shump would thrive on that team with CP3 and Doc Rivers coaching him.

he should... but CP3 is not going to be shooting for shumpert and playing with him is no magic elixir.... I don't think shumperts problem is getting good looks or shots.. but actually making them.. but we will see..

All I know is that Shump will not do anything for the Knicks. He may become a star in LA but here in NY he refuses to become a star or a good player. This guy has been underperforming by choice and that doesn't sit well with me and shouldn't sit well with any fan.

How do you know that? and how can you saye, HE refuses to become a star?

I say it because I have seen Shump play. I was impressed enough by his play to say he will be a 17-5-5 player. Ever since summer league he has been having a hissy fit. How does he bust out in the new year and go back to being a non factor. There more to Shump and believe it or not he wants off the knicks.

Shump excels as a PG....That was his position in college. And thats when he performed best under MDA. When you make him an off guard in a half court system, it limits him to just a jumpshooter, which he is not. He's a playmaker that needs the ball in his hands to be affective. This is why he was compared to Wade, because he's the same way. Wade is not a jumpshooter, but rather a playmaker who can score.

When and if he ever develops a consistant jumper, he will be a solid SG. But for now, he will only excel in a fast pace, up and down west coast system. Not this slow it down (dump it to Melo) half court system....

I've always been a Shump fan and always will be a fan of two way players aka Wilson Chandler, but he just doesn't fit the current system under Woodson....Which will change once we change coaches, but thats another discussion thread. For now, THj is a better catch and shoot player for Woody's half court "Iso Melo" system. And trading Shump will only open up more minutes for THj.

Whats funny is we tried to turn Shump into a THj type of shooter. Now we will try to turn THj into a two way defensive player like Shump. New Yorkers are never happy......

Knixkik wrote:

chewy wrote:Marc Stein said deals are not happening for the Knicks bc no one will take Felton. Hawks and now Clippers. He even hurts us on his day off.

That's fine. Just make a deal without Felton. We can get rid of him later on. Point is we get a starting caliber PG for a SG who we will not keep long-term. Felton can possibly excel in a limited role as a combo guard off the bench. We upgrade the position and don't skip a beat at the SG position.

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Vmart wrote:

tkf wrote:

Vmart wrote:

tkf wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

tkf wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Reddick is out for awhile with a bulging did in his back. They need shump. Also wouldn't be surprised if they brought brown back.

rivers has always talked about getting more athetic on the wings and a change of scenery may be good for shumpert..

collison is a no brainer as a starter here..

Shump would thrive on that team with CP3 and Doc Rivers coaching him.

he should... but CP3 is not going to be shooting for shumpert and playing with him is no magic elixir.... I don't think shumperts problem is getting good looks or shots.. but actually making them.. but we will see..

All I know is that Shump will not do anything for the Knicks. He may become a star in LA but here in NY he refuses to become a star or a good player. This guy has been underperforming by choice and that doesn't sit well with me and shouldn't sit well with any fan.

How do you know that? and how can you saye, HE refuses to become a star?

I say it because I have seen Shump play. I was impressed enough by his play to say he will be a 17-5-5 player. Ever since summer league he has been having a hissy fit. How does he bust out in the new year and go back to being a non factor. There more to Shump and believe it or not he wants off the knicks.

Shump excels as a PG....That was his position in college. And thats when he performed best under MDA. When you make him an off guard in a half court system, it limits him to just a jumpshooter, which he is not. He's a playmaker that needs the ball in his hands to be affective. This is why he was compared to Wade, because he's the same way. Wade is not a jumpshooter, but rather a playmaker who can score.

When and if he ever develops a consistant jumper, he will be a solid SG. But for now, he will only excel in a fast pace, up and down west coast system. Not this slow it down (dump it to Melo) half court system....

I've always been a Shump fan and always will be a fan of two way players aka Wilson Chandler, but he just doesn't fit the current system under Woodson....Which will change once we change coaches, but thats another discussion thread. For now, THj is a better catch and shoot player for Woody's half court "Iso Melo" system. And trading Shump will only open up more minutes for THj.

Whats funny is we tried to turn Shump into a THj type of shooter. Now we will try to turn THj into a two way defensive player like Shump. New Yorkers are never happy......

Excels as a PG? I always thought he made bad decisions with the ball, constantly not knowing where he is going or what he is doing. Doesn't know what type of pass each player can get (ie constantly tries to bounce pass to Chandler in traffic). Shump IMHO is no PG, not even one who could become one.

Vmart wrote:A lot Has to do with Dolan and Woody. Woody constantly rode on Shump and I think that got old with him. Also he never called out his favorites, Smith could do no wrong until Smith wronged Woody. Dolan with his summer league BS I mean come on WTF was all that BS. Woody's BS system can get on all the players and it very stale. Nothing easy.

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Vmart wrote:A lot Has to do with Dolan and Woody. Woody constantly rode on Shump and I think that got old with him. Also he never called out his favorites, Smith could do no wrong until Smith wronged Woody. Dolan with his summer league BS I mean come on WTF was all that BS. Woody's BS system can get on all the players and it very stale. Nothing easy.

I guarantee that if Shumpert is dealt to LA he will have his best years. The Clippers are obviously a much better team and they have a great coach

That's why you have to let Shump have a fresh start. On the Knicks he will always feel his boss doesn't like him because what came out in Summer League. He will feel insecure here and Shump already has proven to be mentally weak.

holfresh wrote:Another panic move..Collison is a short term move, this season...Melo is going to re-up because of Collison???..Really??

Dagger wrote:

martin wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Vmart wrote:

tkf wrote:

Vmart wrote:

tkf wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

tkf wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Reddick is out for awhile with a bulging did in his back. They need shump. Also wouldn't be surprised if they brought brown back.

rivers has always talked about getting more athetic on the wings and a change of scenery may be good for shumpert..

collison is a no brainer as a starter here..

Shump would thrive on that team with CP3 and Doc Rivers coaching him.

he should... but CP3 is not going to be shooting for shumpert and playing with him is no magic elixir.... I don't think shumperts problem is getting good looks or shots.. but actually making them.. but we will see..

All I know is that Shump will not do anything for the Knicks. He may become a star in LA but here in NY he refuses to become a star or a good player. This guy has been underperforming by choice and that doesn't sit well with me and shouldn't sit well with any fan.

How do you know that? and how can you saye, HE refuses to become a star?

I say it because I have seen Shump play. I was impressed enough by his play to say he will be a 17-5-5 player. Ever since summer league he has been having a hissy fit. How does he bust out in the new year and go back to being a non factor. There more to Shump and believe it or not he wants off the knicks.

Shump excels as a PG....That was his position in college. And thats when he performed best under MDA. When you make him an off guard in a half court system, it limits him to just a jumpshooter, which he is not. He's a playmaker that needs the ball in his hands to be affective. This is why he was compared to Wade, because he's the same way. Wade is not a jumpshooter, but rather a playmaker who can score.

When and if he ever develops a consistant jumper, he will be a solid SG. But for now, he will only excel in a fast pace, up and down west coast system. Not this slow it down (dump it to Melo) half court system....

I've always been a Shump fan and always will be a fan of two way players aka Wilson Chandler, but he just doesn't fit the current system under Woodson....Which will change once we change coaches, but thats another discussion thread. For now, THj is a better catch and shoot player for Woody's half court "Iso Melo" system. And trading Shump will only open up more minutes for THj.

Whats funny is we tried to turn Shump into a THj type of shooter. Now we will try to turn THj into a two way defensive player like Shump. New Yorkers are never happy......

Excels as a PG? I always thought he made bad decisions with the ball, constantly not knowing where he is going or what he is doing. Doesn't know what type of pass each player can get (ie constantly tries to bounce pass to Chandler in traffic). Shump IMHO is no PG, not even one who could become one.

Yeah, no handle, no court vision, can't convert lay-ups, can't run a pick and roll. He's a terrible PG in my opinion. He's just not very good.

CrushAlot wrote:I think the clips might be signing bobby brown to back up Paul.

How you just gonna slide that in there? Why You gotta crush my dreams?

Not for nothing the clips have been inviting him to play pick up games with the pros for several years. Why a team won't guarentee him money is unreal. The clippers and the knicks have the most interacting with this dude from what I see. 10 day ****ing contact what the heel is really good with this?