fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Landry fields couldn't hit the back of the backboard if he was wide open. Frye was a soft big man

andboth were totally untouchable. Do you not remember how Field's was coveted around here? Was Novak not a good shooter for us?

THjr has a nice skill. Being able to run an offense is an even nice skill.

Right now THjr is golden because he plays just little enough to not make any big mistakes, but he's had his off games too, and look at his 82games stats. Opposing guards are killing him.

I like THrj and view him as a nice piece, but if he gets us a nicer piece see ya. Lowry is worth it. Teague is not.

really no one on this team should be untouchable.. IF THJ can help get us a piece we need to move forward then I am all for it.. we have a lot of holes to fill.. I am not the biggest fan of TEague at all, nice player, but I rather wait and shop a bit more..I like Lowry, but we had a chance at him earlier.. I am afraid the price this time around with toronto will be even higher.. maybe too high...

Teague is an example of a good player that got paid, and now his team isnt quite so sure he's worth the cash. Thats a spare parts swap. Lowry is a guy who can lead a team. He's the right age and experience to take the next step. He's a guy you pay to get. If that means burning losing Shump and THjr fine. We can NOT compete in the NBA with Felton/JR/Prigs/THjr rotating at guard. Lowry/JR/Prigs is an immediate upgrade. Dont love having to rely on JR, but having a real floor general should improve his play as well

Agreed 100% w/ the need for a floor general, but you'd really be OK w/ giving up both Shump and THJ for a guy who may bolt after he gets us into the back end of the playoff seeding? I say no thanks.

Even if Lowry came here and then resigned, he has a history of injuries just like every other Knick. I'd prefer they look hard at Rubio, dangling THJ to Minny (w/ Felton to make it work).

hawks matched the sheet b/c they didn't want to lose him for nothing. now the hawks are hurt and are reeling so ferry is quickly shifting gears. so if he can move teague's deal, he can go ahead and tank next season as he also has millsap's friendly deal to move on draft night as well.

sealy wrote:

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Landry fields couldn't hit the back of the backboard if he was wide open. Frye was a soft big man

andboth were totally untouchable. Do you not remember how Field's was coveted around here? Was Novak not a good shooter for us?

THjr has a nice skill. Being able to run an offense is an even nice skill.

Right now THjr is golden because he plays just little enough to not make any big mistakes, but he's had his off games too, and look at his 82games stats. Opposing guards are killing him.

I like THrj and view him as a nice piece, but if he gets us a nicer piece see ya. Lowry is worth it. Teague is not.

really no one on this team should be untouchable.. IF THJ can help get us a piece we need to move forward then I am all for it.. we have a lot of holes to fill.. I am not the biggest fan of TEague at all, nice player, but I rather wait and shop a bit more..I like Lowry, but we had a chance at him earlier.. I am afraid the price this time around with toronto will be even higher.. maybe too high...

Teague is an example of a good player that got paid, and now his team isnt quite so sure he's worth the cash. Thats a spare parts swap. Lowry is a guy who can lead a team. He's the right age and experience to take the next step. He's a guy you pay to get. If that means burning losing Shump and THjr fine. We can NOT compete in the NBA with Felton/JR/Prigs/THjr rotating at guard. Lowry/JR/Prigs is an immediate upgrade. Dont love having to rely on JR, but having a real floor general should improve his play as well

Agreed 100% w/ the need for a floor general, but you'd really be OK w/ giving up both Shump and THJ for a guy who may bolt after he gets us into the back end of the playoff seeding? I say no thanks.

Even if Lowry came here and then resigned, he has a history of injuries just like every other Knick. I'd prefer they look hard at Rubio, dangling THJ to Minny (w/ Felton to make it work).

I view him as a core piece. A main guy with Melo who you start putting role players around because a guy like Lowry fills out the stat sheet every night, he defends at a high level and Toronto is in a tough spot. They have a hard time keeping players there and he's the reason they are playing so well.

Suddenly with Lowry in the mix Chandler at center looks a lot better also. Also takes the ball out of Melo and JR's hands. You have a real floor general... less of this walk it up ISO bull crap that is all our current PGs can manage w/o dribbing off their feet

yellowboy90 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Landry fields couldn't hit the back of the backboard if he was wide open. Frye was a soft big man

andboth were totally untouchable. Do you not remember how Field's was coveted around here? Was Novak not a good shooter for us?

THjr has a nice skill. Being able to run an offense is an even nice skill.

Right now THjr is golden because he plays just little enough to not make any big mistakes, but he's had his off games too, and look at his 82games stats. Opposing guards are killing him.

I like THrj and view him as a nice piece, but if he gets us a nicer piece see ya. Lowry is worth it. Teague is not.

really no one on this team should be untouchable.. IF THJ can help get us a piece we need to move forward then I am all for it.. we have a lot of holes to fill.. I am not the biggest fan of TEague at all, nice player, but I rather wait and shop a bit more..I like Lowry, but we had a chance at him earlier.. I am afraid the price this time around with toronto will be even higher.. maybe too high...

Teague is an example of a good player that got paid, and now his team isnt quite so sure he's worth the cash. Thats a spare parts swap. Lowry is a guy who can lead a team. He's the right age and experience to take the next step. He's a guy you pay to get. If that means burning losing Shump and THjr fine. We can NOT compete in the NBA with Felton/JR/Prigs/THjr rotating at guard. Lowry/JR/Prigs is an immediate upgrade. Dont love having to rely on JR, but having a real floor general should improve his play as well

That's the Lowry of this year. The previous years he was just an average PG. The numbers in a contract year scare me off. I do like he can play more off the ball as oppose to Teague who is seemingly struggling play more off the ball this year. I really do not worry about the contract if the player is playing at league avg. It just when they dip below that, which can happen.

If Felton and Shump gets you Teague and THjr, 2018, and etc get you Lowry I would take a risk on Teague. I doubt Teague numbers won't improve playing with Chandler in the PnR. He is also a good two-way player at point that has a very good stl and blk rates. My fears would be his 3pt shooting and finishing. A synergy profile would help shed some light. His player tracking data FG% on drives look terrible this year but that's just from 20 to 10 ft.

Before this year would people have taken a chance on Teague a 6 mil. per? Worst case use the stretch provision in the summer of 15 to get his cap hit a little less than 2 mil.

sealy wrote:

fishmike wrote:

sealy wrote:

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Landry fields couldn't hit the back of the backboard if he was wide open. Frye was a soft big man

andboth were totally untouchable. Do you not remember how Field's was coveted around here? Was Novak not a good shooter for us?

THjr has a nice skill. Being able to run an offense is an even nice skill.

Right now THjr is golden because he plays just little enough to not make any big mistakes, but he's had his off games too, and look at his 82games stats. Opposing guards are killing him.

I like THrj and view him as a nice piece, but if he gets us a nicer piece see ya. Lowry is worth it. Teague is not.

really no one on this team should be untouchable.. IF THJ can help get us a piece we need to move forward then I am all for it.. we have a lot of holes to fill.. I am not the biggest fan of TEague at all, nice player, but I rather wait and shop a bit more..I like Lowry, but we had a chance at him earlier.. I am afraid the price this time around with toronto will be even higher.. maybe too high...

Teague is an example of a good player that got paid, and now his team isnt quite so sure he's worth the cash. Thats a spare parts swap. Lowry is a guy who can lead a team. He's the right age and experience to take the next step. He's a guy you pay to get. If that means burning losing Shump and THjr fine. We can NOT compete in the NBA with Felton/JR/Prigs/THjr rotating at guard. Lowry/JR/Prigs is an immediate upgrade. Dont love having to rely on JR, but having a real floor general should improve his play as well

Agreed 100% w/ the need for a floor general, but you'd really be OK w/ giving up both Shump and THJ for a guy who may bolt after he gets us into the back end of the playoff seeding? I say no thanks.

Even if Lowry came here and then resigned, he has a history of injuries just like every other Knick. I'd prefer they look hard at Rubio, dangling THJ to Minny (w/ Felton to make it work).

who would Rubio pass it to here? He cant score at all. Literally. I would be open to Rubio also for spare parts. Lowry is a build around player. Not a franchise guy, but leader. He's a great defender. He wants to win. I understand his past.

I view him as a core piece. A main guy with Melo who you start putting role players around because a guy like Lowry fills out the stat sheet every night, he defends at a high level and Toronto is in a tough spot. They have a hard time keeping players there and he's the reason they are playing so well.

Suddenly with Lowry in the mix Chandler at center looks a lot better also. Also takes the ball out of Melo and JR's hands. You have a real floor general... less of this walk it up ISO bull crap that is all our current PGs can manage w/o dribbing off their feet

Rubio is only 23 and while his shot has been bad, I don't think it's far fetched to assume it'll get better. The guy can play D and run an offense. His value has taken a severe hit, which is why I think the Knicks should try and buy low rather than giving up multiple assets for a 28 yr old Lowry.

Agree w/ everything you said about Lowry, especially him possibly becoming another Billups. Just wouldn't like watching Uriji have his way w/ Knicks brain trust bc he promised Jimmy a headlining gig @ Air Canada Centre.

I think Minn still views Rubio as a franchise QB that they used a top pick on. Dont you think he's going to cost more or as much as Lowry?

Vmart wrote:I would rather stand pat then trade THJ. You can always find a pg in the off season. Through draft or DLeague. THJ has drive to be good. He could easily play crappy knowing his old man is loaded and stands to inherit money. But he goes at it and challenges himself to be better. That is rare to find in players.

I compared THJ to Ray Allen and H2O. That's right this guy is the best finisher the team has on fast breaks and has a knack for drawing contact and finish his shot with a good attempt. I want a PG also but I would attempt to go another route like D league or Bobby Brown. Lowry is playing for a contract and that is a big red flag to me. Teague I like but only if the Knicks can move Felton and Shump two players that I feel are hurting the Knicks and are in need of a scenery change.

Right now THjr is a shooter who has shown zero ability to contribute in any other way. No rebs. No passes. No defense. He has not even shown flashes.

I like him also... but he's a chip right now, nothing more. Lowry is a piece of the puzzle. THjr might be 3-4 years.

I would trade him for Lowry. Not for Teague.

gunsnewing wrote:Just wait when Melo recruits Kevin love to form the worst defensive front court in NBA history and Getting Lowry becomes a mute point as we wonder why we win between 20-30 games for over a decade. Did we learn anything from the Isiah Knicks and mismosh talent?

I expect the Knicks to get Lowry, pay him then use Amare/Chandler next year to add big pieces.

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Just wait when Melo recruits Kevin love to form the worst defensive front court in NBA history and Getting Lowry becomes a mute point as we wonder why we win between 20-30 games for over a decade. Did we learn anything from the Isiah Knicks and mismosh talent?

dont worry... Love is going to the Lakers.

I expect the Knicks to get Lowry, pay him then use Amare/Chandler next year to add big pieces.

What big pieces? Rondo is about to be traded. Frankly don't want him. Love to Lakers. Aldridge staying in Portland and Kyrie isn't available in 2015.

This is why you might have to consider trading Melo

This isn't the 2010 free agent class with Lebron.

I don't see Lebron leaving Miami. If he does it's back to Cleveland with Kyrie

gunsnewing wrote:By trading Melo you now you can start to develop a young core which would require well thought out plans abc & d from management. Then add the finishing touches with cap space after 2015.

Or resign a 30+ year old Melo and hope that we don't settle on more malcontents and injury riddled former stars

Do you not remember what happened last time we had a losing team? Not only do you LOSE constantly but you cant even properly guage your talent because of the losing.

Do you not remember David Lee's 20ppg 12rebs and 55% shooting in his contract year? Folks around here were desperate to get rid of him because he didnt defend, padded his stats and those great #s didnt translate to wins. Guess what? He's pretty good after all.

Melo isnt getting traded, so just let that go.