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fishmike
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2/11/2014  1:37 PM
MaTT4281 wrote:
playa2 wrote:You know something is unnatural when you are afraid to tell people of your personal sexual preference.

I haven't read all of the posts in this thread, so forgive me if I missed some bigotry along the way, but weren't the first several points you tried to make in this thread revolving around Mr. Sam's "agenda" by stating his sexual preference?

I would agree with the "why does he have to announce it" stance, because it really shouldn't matter one way or the other. But to think we're at a point as a society where people won't judge or treat you differently for it is plain naive. I work in employee benefits - it's extremely eye opening the amount of employees I speak with that have been terrified to inquire about domestic partnerships or same sex unions because they're afraid they'll lose their job. Most won't give a name at first.

Kudos to Michael Sams. Took courage to make the statement when he did. Hopefully he put himself in a position to avoid a hostile lockerroom situation.

as I have a family memeber who has gone through that I can say that is simply what they are fighting for. Its not "look at me, Im gay and you have say IM OK!"

These are people who want benefits for their loved ones and cant get them. Do folks not understand what "marriage equality" is about? You get rights and privs when your married. Decisions can be made for next of kin. Massive tax breaks, including inheritence. Benefits... we could do this all day.

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2/11/2014  1:40 PM
fishmike wrote:
MaTT4281 wrote:
playa2 wrote:You know something is unnatural when you are afraid to tell people of your personal sexual preference.

I haven't read all of the posts in this thread, so forgive me if I missed some bigotry along the way, but weren't the first several points you tried to make in this thread revolving around Mr. Sam's "agenda" by stating his sexual preference?

I would agree with the "why does he have to announce it" stance, because it really shouldn't matter one way or the other. But to think we're at a point as a society where people won't judge or treat you differently for it is plain naive. I work in employee benefits - it's extremely eye opening the amount of employees I speak with that have been terrified to inquire about domestic partnerships or same sex unions because they're afraid they'll lose their job. Most won't give a name at first.

Kudos to Michael Sams. Took courage to make the statement when he did. Hopefully he put himself in a position to avoid a hostile lockerroom situation.

as I have a family memeber who has gone through that I can say that is simply what they are fighting for. Its not "look at me, Im gay and you have say IM OK!"

These are people who want benefits for their loved ones and cant get them. Do folks not understand what "marriage equality" is about? You get rights and privs when your married. Decisions can be made for next of kin. Massive tax breaks, including inheritence. Benefits... we could do this all day.

those are the mis fortunes when you decide to go against the grain.

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2/11/2014  1:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/11/2014  1:45 PM
fishmike wrote:
MaTT4281 wrote:
playa2 wrote:You know something is unnatural when you are afraid to tell people of your personal sexual preference.

I haven't read all of the posts in this thread, so forgive me if I missed some bigotry along the way, but weren't the first several points you tried to make in this thread revolving around Mr. Sam's "agenda" by stating his sexual preference?

I would agree with the "why does he have to announce it" stance, because it really shouldn't matter one way or the other. But to think we're at a point as a society where people won't judge or treat you differently for it is plain naive. I work in employee benefits - it's extremely eye opening the amount of employees I speak with that have been terrified to inquire about domestic partnerships or same sex unions because they're afraid they'll lose their job. Most won't give a name at first.

Kudos to Michael Sams. Took courage to make the statement when he did. Hopefully he put himself in a position to avoid a hostile lockerroom situation.

as I have a family memeber who has gone through that I can say that is simply what they are fighting for. Its not "look at me, Im gay and you have say IM OK!"

These are people who want benefits for their loved ones and cant get them. Do folks not understand what "marriage equality" is about? You get rights and privs when your married. Decisions can be made for next of kin. Massive tax breaks, including inheritence. Benefits... we could do this all day.

They have to know. Most opponents to it are north of the 40 year old mark and are likely married or have been married. It's hard to teach a dog new tricks sometimes. In the next few years though, with newer, younger generations being able to vote, this roadblock won't be able to still be an issue.
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2/11/2014  1:44 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/11/2014  1:46 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
MaTT4281 wrote:
playa2 wrote:You know something is unnatural when you are afraid to tell people of your personal sexual preference.

I haven't read all of the posts in this thread, so forgive me if I missed some bigotry along the way, but weren't the first several points you tried to make in this thread revolving around Mr. Sam's "agenda" by stating his sexual preference?

I would agree with the "why does he have to announce it" stance, because it really shouldn't matter one way or the other. But to think we're at a point as a society where people won't judge or treat you differently for it is plain naive. I work in employee benefits - it's extremely eye opening the amount of employees I speak with that have been terrified to inquire about domestic partnerships or same sex unions because they're afraid they'll lose their job. Most won't give a name at first.

Kudos to Michael Sams. Took courage to make the statement when he did. Hopefully he put himself in a position to avoid a hostile lockerroom situation.

as I have a family memeber who has gone through that I can say that is simply what they are fighting for. Its not "look at me, Im gay and you have say IM OK!"

These are people who want benefits for their loved ones and cant get them. Do folks not understand what "marriage equality" is about? You get rights and privs when your married. Decisions can be made for next of kin. Massive tax breaks, including inheritence. Benefits... we could do this all day.

those are the mis fortunes when you decide to go against the grain.

Did you decide to like women or did you naturally start to like women? If it's the former, then you got a problem. If it's the latter you have to accept that there was no decision process involved in being gay.
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2/11/2014  1:50 PM
fishmike wrote:
MaTT4281 wrote:
playa2 wrote:You know something is unnatural when you are afraid to tell people of your personal sexual preference.

I haven't read all of the posts in this thread, so forgive me if I missed some bigotry along the way, but weren't the first several points you tried to make in this thread revolving around Mr. Sam's "agenda" by stating his sexual preference?

I would agree with the "why does he have to announce it" stance, because it really shouldn't matter one way or the other. But to think we're at a point as a society where people won't judge or treat you differently for it is plain naive. I work in employee benefits - it's extremely eye opening the amount of employees I speak with that have been terrified to inquire about domestic partnerships or same sex unions because they're afraid they'll lose their job. Most won't give a name at first.

Kudos to Michael Sams. Took courage to make the statement when he did. Hopefully he put himself in a position to avoid a hostile lockerroom situation.

as I have a family memeber who has gone through that I can say that is simply what they are fighting for. Its not "look at me, Im gay and you have say IM OK!"

These are people who want benefits for their loved ones and cant get them. Do folks not understand what "marriage equality" is about? You get rights and privs when your married. Decisions can be made for next of kin. Massive tax breaks, including inheritence. Benefits... we could do this all day.

Imagine a couple:

1. Does not have healthcare power of attorney over the partner and can be banned from the hospital room because your not "family".

2. Imagine having your child ripped form you because the law does not recognize one partner as legal gardian should the legal gardian die the child is not allowed to live with the other parent!

This is North caralina law that was voted in 2012 and will get struck down because these powers were stripped from non married couples regardless of being same sex or not! The law was put to vote in for the republican primary (Obama ran unconstested). Most voters had no idea the law would effect all couples living together but it was "Sold" as the gay marriage bill.

Ignorance breeds fear.

Denying civil unions has little to do with "the norm". Should playa's conspiracy rants deny him his civil rights because his wacky views are not "in the norm"?
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2/11/2014  2:10 PM
Why do gay people have to make a spectacle of their sexuality? Ok lets throw a parade. Is there a possibility he can go play just be cool without the need to shout out to the world. In real life do you really car if someone is gay man or woman? I could care less--but what is annoying is that gay people need to categorize themselves as different at times AND put it on everyone else.
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2/11/2014  2:13 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Why do gay people have to make a spectacle of their sexuality? Ok lets throw a parade. Is there a possibility he can go play just be cool without the need to shout out to the world. In real life do you really car if someone is gay man or woman? I could care less--but what is annoying is that gay people need to categorize themselves as different at times AND put it on everyone else.

Are they categorizing themselves as different or are we? Seems that all they are doing is fighting for the right to not be different.
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2/11/2014  2:22 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Why do gay people have to make a spectacle of their sexuality? Ok lets throw a parade. Is there a possibility he can go play just be cool without the need to shout out to the world. In real life do you really car if someone is gay man or woman? I could care less--but what is annoying is that gay people need to categorize themselves as different at times AND put it on everyone else.

isn't sexuality itself made to be a specticle? Thru the history of man we have symbols of fertility, statues of nude men and women and all kinds of art celebrating the form, the sexuality, and the glory of it all!

I suppose if we find it "annoying" then we are uncomfortable with it. I guess they are carving out their place and I suppose in a world where the hetero world is the norm, they are just celebrating.

Maybe people of similar backgrounds, and sextual orientation like to celebrate together. I suppose when we have woven them into society and "Normalized" the issue they won't have a need the attention?
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2/11/2014  2:25 PM
Freak show... spectacle... parade... shouting out... y'alls word choices are interesting.

I read the New York Times article having never heard of the dude before and the picture looked like he was sitting down clothed in business casual doing a pretty calm and conventional interview.

BRIGGS, playa, jrod: where are you getting these impressions from? Not from this young man I take it.

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2/11/2014  2:44 PM
Elvis, Madonna, and miley cyrus all have made specticle of sexuality.

Miley is letting the world know Hannah Montana is dead. She is "coming out" from childhood and letting the world know she is a women!

Its only a specticle if we take notice.

When being gay is no longer an issue, neither will the need to "Come out".
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2/11/2014  2:57 PM
DrAlphaeus wrote:Freak show... spectacle... parade... shouting out... y'alls word choices are interesting.

I read the New York Times article having never heard of the dude before and the picture looked like he was sitting down clothed in business casual doing a pretty calm and conventional interview.

BRIGGS, playa, jrod: where are you getting these impressions from? Not from this young man I take it.

exactly.. non of those things are happening here except in their heads.

To me its incredibly simple. I just want to know what is gained from denying these people the same rights hetero couples have. I dont care who is homophobic. I dont care who is raaaraa gay rights.

I want to know, if your a heterosexual man, what do you gain from voting against marriage equality? Im really curious...

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2/11/2014  3:03 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/10/donte-stallworth-michael-sam_n_4761724.html
Retired NFL Receiver Destroys Argument Against Gay Players
The Huffington Post | by Melissa Jeltsen

Former NFL player Donte' Stallworth doesn't buy the argument that an openly gay player would be too distracting for an NFL team to be successful.

In a series of tweets, the retired wide receiver responded to the suggestion -- floated by former NFL coach Herm Edwards -- that intense media attention may discourage teams from drafting gay players.

"Can the players handle the media attention they are going to get when they get the question asked, 'Are you okay with a gay teammate?'" Edwards asked in an ESPN interview Sunday night.

Stallworth, who last played for the New England Patriots, didn't mince words. If a team can't handle the media scrutiny of drafting a gay player, he wrote, "Your team is already a loser on the field."

On Sunday, Michael Sam, a former Missouri defensive lineman, made headlines around the country when he came out as gay. If drafted, as projected, Sam will be the NFL's first openly gay player.

Read Stallworth's full argument, below:










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2/11/2014  3:05 PM
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playa2 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
playa2 wrote:So if we just do the math,you will see they are demanding something from heterosexual community to APPROVE of and not just tolerate and get along with.

PLAYERS WERE GAY AND PLAYING IN THE LEAGUE ALREADY, WHY THE BIG ANNOUNCEMENT TO EVERYBODY OUTSIDE OF NFL SCOUTS AND HIS COLLEGE TEAMMATES ?

They want people to approve not just accept it, because teams already in the past had gay players.

Wake up people !

Yeah, they were gay and had the hide the fact from everyone including teammates, front office personnel, etc. You realize how hard that must be with a spotlight constantly on you? The question is, why should they have to?

You know how hard it would be for me a devoted married man to hide my mistress from my co-workers and boss and my community and relatives ?

You know why, it's not the norm.

You're out of your ****ing mind if you think marriage is natural. We're designed to be polygamists but realize the inherent shortcomings of that when building society. That is why we espouse monogamy. If it wasn't for that (and religion for others), it would be an all-you-can-****-buffet. As a male in his mid-20's that has no doubt been my aspiration albeit mitigated by a sense of decency. In any case, comparing the attention you'd receive in your average Joe life to that of a celebrity is ridiculous. The premise for your point is moot as a result.

I don't buy the whole polygamy is natural thing. Humans are jealous creatures, if we form a connection with something we generally don't want something else to take that thing that we desire away from us, even if it's temporary. Monogamy exists in nature as well as polygamy. Sure the concept of marriage is artificial, but the characteristic of staying with one mate is not. Sure, it would be nice to be a Mormon and have 5 wives I can pick and choose from on a daily basis, but the only reason that works is because the women believe from a religious standpoint that is how it should be, which curbs outward expression of jealous and possessive impulses in some cases. Although I'm willing to bet that the wives likely fight often.
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2/11/2014  3:28 PM
The morality of gay marriage is usually conflicted in the arena of religion.

Thats where things get real clouded up. When we go to the bible and start picking and choosing is when society gets confused.

We mostly talking about Civil Unions and discrimination.

If your basis is from a religious view, its a hard issue to reconcile.
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2/11/2014  3:30 PM
Nalod wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Why do gay people have to make a spectacle of their sexuality? Ok lets throw a parade. Is there a possibility he can go play just be cool without the need to shout out to the world. In real life do you really car if someone is gay man or woman? I could care less--but what is annoying is that gay people need to categorize themselves as different at times AND put it on everyone else.

isn't sexuality itself made to be a specticle? Thru the history of man we have symbols of fertility, statues of nude men and women and all kinds of art celebrating the form, the sexuality, and the glory of it all!


And that what destroyed the greatest ruling nation of our time "ROME !

Nations are destroyed from within.

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2/11/2014  3:33 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/11/2014  3:33 PM
playa2 wrote:
Nalod wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Why do gay people have to make a spectacle of their sexuality? Ok lets throw a parade. Is there a possibility he can go play just be cool without the need to shout out to the world. In real life do you really car if someone is gay man or woman? I could care less--but what is annoying is that gay people need to categorize themselves as different at times AND put it on everyone else.

isn't sexuality itself made to be a specticle? Thru the history of man we have symbols of fertility, statues of nude men and women and all kinds of art celebrating the form, the sexuality, and the glory of it all!


And that what destroyed the greatest ruling nation of our time "ROME !

Nations are destroyed from within.

Your a very fearful person. The basis is your many posts.
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2/11/2014  3:39 PM
DrAlphaeus wrote:Freak show... spectacle... parade... shouting out... y'alls word choices are interesting.

I read the New York Times article having never heard of the dude before and the picture looked like he was sitting down clothed in business casual doing a pretty calm and conventional interview.

BRIGGS, playa, jrod: where are you getting these impressions from? Not from this young man I take it.

Dr check this out Michael Sams dancing at gay bar topless

http://www.tmz.com/2014/02/10/michael-sam-topless-dancing-gay-bar-club/?adid=tmzhero3

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2/11/2014  3:41 PM
playa2 wrote:
DrAlphaeus wrote:Freak show... spectacle... parade... shouting out... y'alls word choices are interesting.

I read the New York Times article having never heard of the dude before and the picture looked like he was sitting down clothed in business casual doing a pretty calm and conventional interview.

BRIGGS, playa, jrod: where are you getting these impressions from? Not from this young man I take it.

Dr check this out Michael Sams dancing at gay bar topless

http://www.tmz.com/2014/02/10/michael-sam-topless-dancing-gay-bar-club/?adid=tmzhero3

I can see why thats a problem... but if he got busted with a room full of hookers, or was seen banging Lindsey Lohan under a club table... then its cool cause bro just likes to party. Got it.

What are you afraid of?

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2/11/2014  3:43 PM
"topless".............

He is dancing with a women. Lesbians are women.

is he making a specticle or is TMZ?

Who cares if he is dancing without a shirt? Those who are on TMZ.
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2/11/2014  4:01 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/11/2014  4:03 PM
playa2 wrote:
DrAlphaeus wrote:Freak show... spectacle... parade... shouting out... y'alls word choices are interesting.

I read the New York Times article having never heard of the dude before and the picture looked like he was sitting down clothed in business casual doing a pretty calm and conventional interview.

BRIGGS, playa, jrod: where are you getting these impressions from? Not from this young man I take it.

Dr check this out Michael Sams dancing at gay bar topless

http://www.tmz.com/2014/02/10/michael-sam-topless-dancing-gay-bar-club/?adid=tmzhero3

Wow playa, that's hot! Goddamn that's a whole lotta man! I'm mean... umm...

Young dude having fun dancing at da club showing off his physique to friendly folks... it gets recorded on a smartphone and TMZ gets a hold of it... Comes with the territory in the 21st century I guess. Looked like folks were having fun. So maybe the announcement is in part "look, I been living my life in the open so might as well let folks know how I live my life so they can clutch their pearls" Why hate on that?

Again, pro sports is very tolerant towards the nationally-televised gyrations of cheerleaders and dance teams, and if people don't like seeing buff brothers dance around, you might wanna give a heads up to Terry Crews or Flo Rida.

Not exactly empire-toppling stuff to my eyes.

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