Dagger wrote:

misterearl wrote:Little Help?

The scoring strain on Anthony's shoulders Thursday was just the latest example of what's been a sizable problem for the Knicks. Their loss to Indiana marked the 10th time since Anthony arrived in New York that he has scored at least 25 points in a game where none of his teammates reached the 15-point mark. To put that into perspective, over those three-plus seasons, no NBA player has had to carry his team's scoring burden more than Anthony, according to Stats LLC.

Yes that is unfortunate, but melo has his part to play in that, "the trade", iso-ball, and his apparent reluctance to share the spotlight with Lin come to mind. Does melo have a good roster to work with, no he's working with scraps. However, he's not an innocent victim of mismanagement, he's had his fair share of influence in determining where we are today.

good point.. but lets look at this.. I know fans are now calling this roster.. "scraps" but I mentioned a team yesterday.. the Hawks... do they really have more talent than we do? Can anyone name that teams starting 5?

gunsnewing wrote:Even with all the data I'd imagine it be nearly impossible to project if a role player on a top team can potentially morph into a franchise player on your team no?

that is where it takes good scouting and evaluation of talent.. some people felt harden ran the team better than westbrook..

gunsnewing wrote:^Then I hope Melo asks out and we trade him

or trade all the pieces around him and force him to ask out.. commit to a complete rebuild and he will bolt..

tkf wrote:

Dagger wrote:

misterearl wrote:Little Help?

The scoring strain on Anthony's shoulders Thursday was just the latest example of what's been a sizable problem for the Knicks. Their loss to Indiana marked the 10th time since Anthony arrived in New York that he has scored at least 25 points in a game where none of his teammates reached the 15-point mark. To put that into perspective, over those three-plus seasons, no NBA player has had to carry his team's scoring burden more than Anthony, according to Stats LLC.

Yes that is unfortunate, but melo has his part to play in that, "the trade", iso-ball, and his apparent reluctance to share the spotlight with Lin come to mind. Does melo have a good roster to work with, no he's working with scraps. However, he's not an innocent victim of mismanagement, he's had his fair share of influence in determining where we are today.

good point.. but lets look at this.. I know fans are now calling this roster.. "scraps" but I mentioned a team yesterday.. the Hawks... do they really have more talent than we do? Can anyone name that teams starting 5?

Competent coaching and younger legs at PG. I'm pretty sure their PGs do a better job of staying in front of the opposing PGs

And they probably get better defense from their front court

gunsnewing wrote:Even with all the data I'd imagine it be nearly impossible to project if a role player on a top team can potentially morph into a franchise player on your team no?

gunsnewing wrote:

tkf wrote:

Dagger wrote:

misterearl wrote:Little Help?

The scoring strain on Anthony's shoulders Thursday was just the latest example of what's been a sizable problem for the Knicks. Their loss to Indiana marked the 10th time since Anthony arrived in New York that he has scored at least 25 points in a game where none of his teammates reached the 15-point mark. To put that into perspective, over those three-plus seasons, no NBA player has had to carry his team's scoring burden more than Anthony, according to Stats LLC.

Yes that is unfortunate, but melo has his part to play in that, "the trade", iso-ball, and his apparent reluctance to share the spotlight with Lin come to mind. Does melo have a good roster to work with, no he's working with scraps. However, he's not an innocent victim of mismanagement, he's had his fair share of influence in determining where we are today.

good point.. but lets look at this.. I know fans are now calling this roster.. "scraps" but I mentioned a team yesterday.. the Hawks... do they really have more talent than we do? Can anyone name that teams starting 5?

Competent coaching and younger legs at PG. I'm pretty sure their PGs do a better job of staying in front of the opposing PGs

And they probably get better defense from their front court

yet I am sure no one would consider those guys world beaters.. yet they are getting the job done.. the knicks roster is not good, but not everyone on this team is scraps.... lack of leadership and consistent quality play all around from the big money guys on this team hurt more than anything else...

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Even with all the data I'd imagine it be nearly impossible to project if a role player on a top team can potentially morph into a franchise player on your team no?

Yeah, but Harden was never a role player. He was playing at superstar productivity (just not volume, which doesn't matter) in OKC - many of the advanced stats actually indicate that he played a little better in OKC.

Yea but it is conceivable to think that he benefitted from playing with Durant and Westbrook. As it turned out he is on par with them.

What a phenomenal job Sam Presti did in building that team.

That right there is what separates us from okc, spurs, indiana's of the world

That reminds me. Remember how many folks thought the Pacers were not that good and just happened to be lucky to knock us out of the playoffs cos we were banged up?

Ha that's good for a laugh

knicks1248 wrote:why would melo's pending FA agent hinder anyones game, effort or mental state

gunsnewing wrote:

tkf wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

tkf wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Bonn the way the Rockets got Harden was little out of the norm. It's not easy to steal and sign a franchise player away from a team. It's rare that a 3rd wheel becomes a available because of salary cap reasons. Major props to. Morey and the Rockets.

Unless you guys have some examples I can see why you might have to resign Melo but not for $130mil. We need some money to build a better team around him

but one thing guns.. Harden wasn't a franchise player in OKC, and it was not a given that he would be this good once he got to the rockets.. otherwise I am sure OKC would probably have gotten more.. Great timing by the rockets tho, which is why I said before on this site and others, that morey was in no rush to move or do anything drastic with his assets, keep manuevering, keep accumulating and then strike when you see an opportunity...

It may be rare, but that is why every team can't be great.. but in a world of the haves and have nots, you want to be on the side of the haves and to do that, it takes planning, patience and foresight..

I agree. We should be able to build assets even with Melo on the books though. It's comes down to the front office having a plan and seeing it through

hard to do that guns with carmelo on this team.. his style of play doesn't seem to allow that...

look at what the raps did.. bye bye rudy gay.. now lowry is in the running for mvp votes.. go figure..

you gotta purge from the top sometimes bro...

I'm certainly not oppose to purging but at the same time I wonder if this front office is capable of building through the draft and making smart deals with built up assets. And quite frankly how realistic is it to expect that the New York Dolans will ever go that route? Knicks made the most profit in the NBA.

I'm 100% certain Melo will be brought back unless he wants out. I just hope and pray that it won't be for 5yrs $130mil and the Knicks are finally trying to go about things the right way

if you are not confident that the knicks front office can make smart moves, then no need in hoping they do things the right way when it comes to carmelo.. if he comes back, it will be at 5/130