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1/20/2014  3:35 PM
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holfresh wrote:It's time for this organization to start thinking about rebuilding around Melo..JVG said it last night...They have to entertain trade scenarios around Chandler, Shump, etc...We might have to take a second look at Lowry...
It would ahve been much easier if we didnt have to tarde so many assets for him. If he would ahve just waited to sign with us as a FA we would probably be in better shape IMO

Name those "assets"...Tell me the reason why we stink is Gallo...

If Dolan let Donnie do his thing, there was a chance we end up with Melo, Gallo, The Mayor, Fatton, Moz, Stat in the same team. Even if that does not work, you have movable assets that you can use to get the right pieces. The only thing Melo needed to do was wait for free agency.

Donnie signed Amare, case closed...The Mayor would have been let loose so Melo could sign here...Gallo had to be signed as well at what 10 mil per???..So now was are really talking about Gallo and Mozgov..Those two guys would have changed this franchise???
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1/20/2014  3:36 PM
NYKBocker wrote:
holfresh wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
holfresh wrote:It's time for this organization to start thinking about rebuilding around Melo..JVG said it last night...They have to entertain trade scenarios around Chandler, Shump, etc...We might have to take a second look at Lowry...
It would ahve been much easier if we didnt have to tarde so many assets for him. If he would ahve just waited to sign with us as a FA we would probably be in better shape IMO

Name those "assets"...Tell me the reason why we stink is Gallo...

If Dolan let Donnie do his thing, there was a chance we end up with Melo, Gallo, The Mayor, Fatton, Moz, Stat in the same team. Even if that does not work, you have movable assets that you can use to get the right pieces. The only thing Melo needed to do was wait for free agency.

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1/20/2014  3:41 PM
holfresh wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:
holfresh wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
holfresh wrote:It's time for this organization to start thinking about rebuilding around Melo..JVG said it last night...They have to entertain trade scenarios around Chandler, Shump, etc...We might have to take a second look at Lowry...
It would ahve been much easier if we didnt have to tarde so many assets for him. If he would ahve just waited to sign with us as a FA we would probably be in better shape IMO

Name those "assets"...Tell me the reason why we stink is Gallo...

If Dolan let Donnie do his thing, there was a chance we end up with Melo, Gallo, The Mayor, Fatton, Moz, Stat in the same team. Even if that does not work, you have movable assets that you can use to get the right pieces. The only thing Melo needed to do was wait for free agency.

Donnie signed Amare, case closed...The Mayor would have been let loose so Melo could sign here...Gallo had to be signed as well at what 10 mil per???..So now was are really talking about Gallo and Mozgov..Those two guys would have changed this franchise???

It would be better than what we have now. You would rather have JR Smith or Pablo or Bargs over Gallo? or any other player we have now not named Melo?
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1/20/2014  3:42 PM
holfresh wrote:
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holfresh wrote:It's time for this organization to start thinking about rebuilding around Melo..JVG said it last night...They have to entertain trade scenarios around Chandler, Shump, etc...We might have to take a second look at Lowry...
It would ahve been much easier if we didnt have to tarde so many assets for him. If he would ahve just waited to sign with us as a FA we would probably be in better shape IMO

Name those "assets"...Tell me the reason why we stink is Gallo...Stops saying assets and put names to them...

Cap space was the biggest one but picks and solid players count too
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1/20/2014  3:42 PM
Not blaming melo BUT its time to move on. melo is what he is he is a great scorer but he isnt the type of player that can carry a team far. Thats not a knock on him becase very few guys can. MJ Bryant Lebron are some of the few
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1/20/2014  3:43 PM
Recently I did some digging into the Donnie Walsh era...That needs its own thread...
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1/20/2014  3:45 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/20/2014  3:48 PM
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holfresh wrote:
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holfresh wrote:It's time for this organization to start thinking about rebuilding around Melo..JVG said it last night...They have to entertain trade scenarios around Chandler, Shump, etc...We might have to take a second look at Lowry...
It would ahve been much easier if we didnt have to tarde so many assets for him. If he would ahve just waited to sign with us as a FA we would probably be in better shape IMO

Name those "assets"...Tell me the reason why we stink is Gallo...Stops saying assets and put names to them...

Cap space was the biggest one but picks and solid players count too

Please elaborate, Gallo had to get 10 mil which became Tyson essentially..So please elaborate...What pick..Tell me about the picks Donnie gave away to get under the cap..He could have let ZBO and the others expire..Does that count???? We traded David Lee for garbage and pointless salary back, so apparently Donnie wasn't thinking about the cap at that point..
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1/20/2014  3:47 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:Not blaming melo BUT its time to move on. melo is what he is he is a great scorer but he isnt the type of player that can carry a team far. Thats not a knock on him becase very few guys can. MJ Bryant Lebron are some of the few

So basically we should wait until we could get the best basketball player on the planet or Gallo??
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1/20/2014  3:50 PM
holfresh wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Not blaming melo BUT its time to move on. melo is what he is he is a great scorer but he isnt the type of player that can carry a team far. Thats not a knock on him becase very few guys can. MJ Bryant Lebron are some of the few

So basically we should wait until we could get the best basketball player on the planet or Gallo??

Where is Gallo coming from? I never said anything abou Gallo. In fact i was never a fan of his
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1/20/2014  3:51 PM
holfresh wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Not blaming melo BUT its time to move on. melo is what he is he is a great scorer but he isnt the type of player that can carry a team far. Thats not a knock on him becase very few guys can. MJ Bryant Lebron are some of the few

So basically we should wait until we could get the best basketball player on the planet or Gallo??

Yes. We were bidding against ourselves. The price was to steep as it is being proven now. We have no assets to help Melo.
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1/20/2014  3:51 PM
Donnie mistake number one was hiring MDA who needed mistake number two, Amare..Game and Set right there...
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1/20/2014  3:52 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Not blaming melo BUT its time to move on. melo is what he is he is a great scorer but he isnt the type of player that can carry a team far. Thats not a knock on him becase very few guys can. MJ Bryant Lebron are some of the few

So basically we should wait until we could get the best basketball player on the planet or Gallo??

Where is Gallo coming from? I never said anything abou Gallo. In fact i was never a fan of his

IrishKnickfan you are talking to Holfresh...I know who u are...
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1/20/2014  3:52 PM
holfresh wrote:Donnie mistake number one was hiring MDA who needed mistake number two, Amare..Game and Set right there...
Personally i think Donnie the amare signing and the melo tarde were all mistakes. Now we need to try again. Not blaming anyone it just didnt work
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1/20/2014  3:53 PM
Signing Billups and thinking Toney Douglas was a pg.
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1/20/2014  3:57 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/20/2014  4:27 PM
Please look at the 2009 NBA draft and tell me how Donnie and MDA was doing...

http://www.nba.com/draft2009/

We could have picked 8 players after Jordan Hill that would have been home runs...
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1/20/2014  3:58 PM
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
holfresh wrote:It's time for this organization to start thinking about rebuilding around Melo..JVG said it last night...They have to entertain trade scenarios around Chandler, Shump, etc...We might have to take a second look at Lowry...
It would ahve been much easier if we didnt have to tarde so many assets for him. If he would ahve just waited to sign with us as a FA we would probably be in better shape IMO

Name those "assets"...Tell me the reason why we stink is Gallo...Stops saying assets and put names to them...

Cap space was the biggest one but picks and solid players count too

Please elaborate, Gallo had to get 10 mil which became Tyson essentially..So please elaborate...What pick..Tell me about the picks Donnie gave away to get under the cap..He could have let ZBO and the others expire..Does that count???? We traded David Lee for garbage and pointless salary back, so apparently Donnie wasn't thinking about the cap at that point..

Gallo doesn't even make half what Melo does but no one said we had to keep him anyway. If you don't know what picks we gave up in the Melo trade, you can look that up easily. I don't see what the other questions have to do with the topic.
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1/20/2014  3:58 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:Signing Billups and thinking Toney Douglas was a pg.
using the amnesty clause on billups instead of amare was a bad move too
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1/20/2014  4:01 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/20/2014  4:28 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
holfresh wrote:It's time for this organization to start thinking about rebuilding around Melo..JVG said it last night...They have to entertain trade scenarios around Chandler, Shump, etc...We might have to take a second look at Lowry...
It would ahve been much easier if we didnt have to tarde so many assets for him. If he would ahve just waited to sign with us as a FA we would probably be in better shape IMO

Name those "assets"...Tell me the reason why we stink is Gallo...Stops saying assets and put names to them...

Cap space was the biggest one but picks and solid players count too

Please elaborate, Gallo had to get 10 mil which became Tyson essentially..So please elaborate...What pick..Tell me about the picks Donnie gave away to get under the cap..He could have let ZBO and the others expire..Does that count???? We traded David Lee for garbage and pointless salary back, so apparently Donnie wasn't thinking about the cap at that point..

Gallo doesn't even make half what Melo does but no one said we had to keep him anyway. If you don't know what picks we gave up in the Melo trade, you can look that up easily. I don't see what the other questions have to do with the topic.

What?????I have no clue what u are trying to say...What is the relevance of pointing out Gallo salary??...U said we would have cap space if Melo came here via free agency..I said we would have to pay Gallo 10 mil per plus Melo and Amare....The Mayor had to walk because we had no money for him...Where is the cap space???
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1/20/2014  4:04 PM
What's the big deal with Gallinari exactly?
Knicksfan: Hypocrite league that fines players after the game for flopping but in the game and with obvious flopping they call the fouls.
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1/20/2014  4:09 PM
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
holfresh wrote:It's time for this organization to start thinking about rebuilding around Melo..JVG said it last night...They have to entertain trade scenarios around Chandler, Shump, etc...We might have to take a second look at Lowry...
It would ahve been much easier if we didnt have to tarde so many assets for him. If he would ahve just waited to sign with us as a FA we would probably be in better shape IMO

Name those "assets"...Tell me the reason why we stink is Gallo...Stops saying assets and put names to them...

Cap space was the biggest one but picks and solid players count too

Please elaborate, Gallo had to get 10 mil which became Tyson essentially..So please elaborate...What pick..Tell me about the picks Donnie gave away to get under the cap..He could have let ZBO and the others expire..Does that count???? We traded David Lee for garbage and pointless salary back, so apparently Donnie wasn't thinking about the cap at that point..

Gallo doesn't even make half what Melo does but no one said we had to keep him anyway. If you don't know what picks we gave up in the Melo trade, you can look that up easily. I don't see what the other questions have to do with the topic.

What?????I have no clue what u are trying to say...What is the relevance of point out Gallo salary??...U said we would have cap space if Melo came here via free agency..I said we would have to pay Gallo 10 mil per plus Melo and Amare....The Mayor had to walk because we had no money form him...Where is the cap space???

If I remember correctly, Donnie created cap space for Melo in that FA summer. Similar to what he did for Amare.
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