raven wrote:Clip Nation's point of view of that potential trade: http://www.clipsnation.com/2014/1/4/5274024/nba-trade-rumors-blake-griffin-carmelo-anthony-clippers-knicks-what-a-joke

I always find interesting to read from other teams, sometimes it brings a fresh dose of reality.

Griffin's a better rebounder, passer and defender, plus he's younger, still improving, less expensive, signed for longer, more likeable, better looking, a better actor, and nicer to animals (I'm just assuming on the animals part, but it stands to reason). Griffin is wildly popular among Clipper fans and the front office would think twice about trading him for a player who is actually better than he is for fear of alienating the fan base. They would scoff at the idea of doing it for Anthony.

Are we supposed to think the franchise has wished up and that you cannot sign Melo to a 5 year max deal then build around him? I doubt they are that smart but by the time we have the pieces to play with Melo he will be reaching Amare status where his body starts to break down. It's not like he is 24.

I like Melo but I just don't think he is the right move for the franchise at this point. Now if we have no other options then you have to go after him and sign him to a max deal but I think we can rebuild without him.

Unfortunately NYK doesn't rebuild from the draft and smart trades.

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

raven wrote:Clip Nation's point of view of that potential trade: http://www.clipsnation.com/2014/1/4/5274024/nba-trade-rumors-blake-griffin-carmelo-anthony-clippers-knicks-what-a-joke

I always find interesting to read from other teams, sometimes it brings a fresh dose of reality.

From the article:

Griffin's a better rebounder, passer and defender, plus he's younger, still improving, less expensive, signed for longer, more likeable, better looking, a better actor, and nicer to animals (I'm just assuming on the animals part, but it stands to reason). Griffin is wildly popular among Clipper fans and the front office would think twice about trading him for a player who is actually better than he is for fear of alienating the fan base. They would scoff at the idea of doing it for Anthony.

Really, if we don't want to lose Melo for nothing, we need to propose a trade LA would actually do. It's gonna have to be something like D'Andre Jordan, JJ Reddick, Collison, and a 1st and 2nd round pick. Even that, I think Clippers' fans would laugh at.

Does more assists and rebounds equal better? Should those statistics be measure like FG% of FGAs? DOes it matter that Griffin touched the ball more than Melo although slightly less in the front court or that Melo has slightly more AST. opps. and fewer TOs, that could go Griffin way depending on the number of TOs on passes however Melo has been very good at not turning the ball over on passes in the past. Should it matter that Melo has a higher percentage of rebounds per chances.

Where are you getting those numbers from? I don't think Griffin touches the ball more than Melo since he has a lower usage rate and Melo's rebounding percentage is lower than Blake's. I can't find the data but I'd be surprised if Blake's assist opportunities are lower than Melo's.
My comments refer to this year's #s although I'd place more weight in career numbers or at least a recent but larger sample than just the 30 games of this season.

Melo/Chandler/Felton/Kmart for Griffin/Jordan/Barnes/Collison/Bullock

Griffin plays at a very nice pace - he is an outstanding and most importantly a WILLING passer. He is a better rebounder and post player than Melo. He also finishes around the basket better than Melo. Melo may actually be a better defender.

We can only hope the Clippers save us from giving the max to Melo.

Next great hope is that Suns allow us to re-route Blake to them for a couple of young pieces and some picks.

Gsus wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

franco12 wrote:what am I missing that people are not crazy about Blake Griffin? If we end up with Griffin for Melo and whatever added parts (Chandler, etc), then we've robbed the Clippers. He has 4 years of upside. Melo is what he is, and probably has 1-2 more peak seasons.

This is the kind of trade the knicks would make - trading younger/draft pick for flawed star.

I doubt this has any chance of happening.

As I've told you before, Griffin is good but he can't carry a team on either end and has no guarantee for improvement (see Rasheed Wallace, Shareef Abdur-Rahim, etc.). Melo, on the other hand, can carry a team, well enough. This is the key difference.

We are the second worst team in the league, buddy. Yeah, he can carry...carry his and JR's bags outta here.

It's kind of hard to do that with a coach that doesn't have any offensive schemes and a supporting cast that mostly consist of guys that likely won't be in the league once their contracts expire. Things are bad now and they'd be worse if Griffin switched places with Melo or if Melo wasn't here.

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

raven wrote:Clip Nation's point of view of that potential trade: http://www.clipsnation.com/2014/1/4/5274024/nba-trade-rumors-blake-griffin-carmelo-anthony-clippers-knicks-what-a-joke

I always find interesting to read from other teams, sometimes it brings a fresh dose of reality.

From the article:

Griffin's a better rebounder, passer and defender, plus he's younger, still improving, less expensive, signed for longer, more likeable, better looking, a better actor, and nicer to animals (I'm just assuming on the animals part, but it stands to reason). Griffin is wildly popular among Clipper fans and the front office would think twice about trading him for a player who is actually better than he is for fear of alienating the fan base. They would scoff at the idea of doing it for Anthony.

Really, if we don't want to lose Melo for nothing, we need to propose a trade LA would actually do. It's gonna have to be something like D'Andre Jordan, JJ Reddick, Collison, and a 1st and 2nd round pick. Even that, I think Clippers' fans would laugh at.

Does more assists and rebounds equal better? Should those statistics be measure like FG% of FGAs? DOes it matter that Griffin touched the ball more than Melo although slightly less in the front court or that Melo has slightly more AST. opps. and fewer TOs, that could go Griffin way depending on the number of TOs on passes however Melo has been very good at not turning the ball over on passes in the past. Should it matter that Melo has a higher percentage of rebounds per chances.

Where are you getting those numbers from? I don't think Griffin touches the ball more than Melo since he has a lower usage rate and Melo's rebounding percentage is lower than Blake's. I can't find the data but I'd be surprised if Blake's assist opportunities are lower than Melo's.
My comments refer to this year's #s although I'd place more weight in career numbers or at least a recent but larger sample than just the 30 games of this season.

NBA.com player traker.

Interesting. I was using basketball-reference.com.
I don't really like having either player on a long-term max contract

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

raven wrote:Clip Nation's point of view of that potential trade: http://www.clipsnation.com/2014/1/4/5274024/nba-trade-rumors-blake-griffin-carmelo-anthony-clippers-knicks-what-a-joke

I always find interesting to read from other teams, sometimes it brings a fresh dose of reality.

From the article:

Griffin's a better rebounder, passer and defender, plus he's younger, still improving, less expensive, signed for longer, more likeable, better looking, a better actor, and nicer to animals (I'm just assuming on the animals part, but it stands to reason). Griffin is wildly popular among Clipper fans and the front office would think twice about trading him for a player who is actually better than he is for fear of alienating the fan base. They would scoff at the idea of doing it for Anthony.

Really, if we don't want to lose Melo for nothing, we need to propose a trade LA would actually do. It's gonna have to be something like D'Andre Jordan, JJ Reddick, Collison, and a 1st and 2nd round pick. Even that, I think Clippers' fans would laugh at.

Does more assists and rebounds equal better? Should those statistics be measure like FG% of FGAs? DOes it matter that Griffin touched the ball more than Melo although slightly less in the front court or that Melo has slightly more AST. opps. and fewer TOs, that could go Griffin way depending on the number of TOs on passes however Melo has been very good at not turning the ball over on passes in the past. Should it matter that Melo has a higher percentage of rebounds per chances.

Where are you getting those numbers from? I don't think Griffin touches the ball more than Melo since he has a lower usage rate and Melo's rebounding percentage is lower than Blake's. I can't find the data but I'd be surprised if Blake's assist opportunities are lower than Melo's.
My comments refer to this year's #s although I'd place more weight in career numbers or at least a recent but larger sample than just the 30 games of this season.

NBA.com player traker.

Interesting. I was using basketball-reference.com.
I don't really like having either player on a long-term max contract

Melo and Blake both have upped their games since November it will be interesting to see Griffin's numbers with Paul out. Durant seems to be doing well in Westbrooks absence this year so maybe Griffin(not on Durant's level) can survive too.

Also, how does the numbers in rebounding look adjusting for position?

Bonn1997 wrote:That said, if I ran LAC the goal would be to have Paul, Griffin, and Melo together. I'd have no interest in replacing Griffin with Melo. That's not going to produce a team that makes it out of the west.

The Knicks "goal" in 2010 was to get LeBron and Bosh to come here..

franco12 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:That said, if I ran LAC the goal would be to have Paul, Griffin, and Melo together. I'd have no interest in replacing Griffin with Melo. That's not going to produce a team that makes it out of the west.

I'd love to perhaps trade them melo for Jordan, filler and a bunch of draft picks.