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gunsnewing wrote:Another question how does anyone but Carmelo know what he wants to do? More Stephen smoke?

Screaming A Smith has sources. He was months ahead on some big moves in the past. He has really good sources with the top guys from the Lebron draft.

He leaked Dolan wanted to trade Shump.

wtf is his problem? Dude has and agenda or something? Trying to ruin the knickers si they rebuild

I can't blame him for reporting the news if it is real. I would blame the people creating it.

That's the question. Unless he is in Melos head how does he know? I don't care about what the people around Melo think. What does Melo want?

The same way he knew melo wanted to join the Knicks or the Nets back during his Denver days. The same way he knew melo did not want to leave denver as a free agent(to get max money). The same way he knew Lebron, Wade and Bosh was going to the Heat months before it happened. I don't know how he figures these things out. I just know he has a good record with being correct with the stars of that draft class.

He does have a pretty good track record with these things. I think guys might talk to him and if he keeps them out of it he has the scoop. He certainly has been more reliable then Broussard. The thing about this though is there certainly is a lot of emotion around the Knicks right now and Melo could have been reacting in the moment to one of the many ridiculous things that have happened this season. Here is a question though, for those who say Melo should take less to win with this franchise, doesn't it make more sense for him to take less with a franchise that isn't dysfunctional, has a plan and is a lot closer to winning?

I can only speak for myself, but to answer your question. I don't want him to take less so we can win. I just want us to offer him less because he is not worth the max. This has nothing to do with any other factor besides what is melo actually worth. If melo was Lebron James in the same exact situation we are in now I would not mind offering him the max. Lebron is actually worth the max. Melo is a very flawed All-Star at best.

Like Gunsnewing said, the problem with melo is that he is too dumb to know a lot of things. He is too dumb to know he is not a superstar. He is too dumb to know what his faults are and to fix them. He is too dumb to know that if you really want to win you would not make your new team trade for you when they can sign you in the offseason(yes, I know we would have to cut some players like Wilson Chandler). He is too dumb to notice that ISO melo is inefficient and the hardest way to score points.

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ApophisADL wrote:Lol. Then Melo will change his mind 24 hours later.

Only way I trade Melo is for Griffin.

Chandler and Memo
For
Jordan and Griffin plus trash

That's a bad trade. I don't know what yall see in Jordan he sucks, I want nothing to do with him. Griffin is also a very flawed star if you can even call him that.

NO THANK YOU

Griffin is flawed? lets see, he is a PF who actually plays like one. He patrols the paint, rebounds very, very well, can defend his position, passes pretty darn well, can score and do so efficiently...

And people, including his team mates.. Like him..

It would be a horrible trade for the clippers..

Jordan doesn't suck, again he does what the clippers need him to do.. dunk hard, block shots, rebound and intimidate...

sorry, those guys would instantly make the knicks better. while I can't say the same thing about carmelo or chandler in LA..

Problem is that they are both 50% FT shooters, so in a tight game/play match, they become liabilities especially together
And we have no PnR PG, not even one like Sessions

Actually, there's been research on this. You break even if you're at 47%. So it's not a real concern.

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Dagger wrote:

ApophisADL wrote:Lol. Then Melo will change his mind 24 hours later.

Only way I trade Melo is for Griffin.

Chandler and Memo
For
Jordan and Griffin plus trash

That's a bad trade. I don't know what yall see in Jordan he sucks, I want nothing to do with him. Griffin is also a very flawed star if you can even call him that.

NO THANK YOU

Griffin is flawed? lets see, he is a PF who actually plays like one. He patrols the paint, rebounds very, very well, can defend his position, passes pretty darn well, can score and do so efficiently...

And people, including his team mates.. Like him..

It would be a horrible trade for the clippers..

Jordan doesn't suck, again he does what the clippers need him to do.. dunk hard, block shots, rebound and intimidate...

sorry, those guys would instantly make the knicks better. while I can't say the same thing about carmelo or chandler in LA..

Problem is that they are both 50% FT shooters, so in a tight game/play match, they become liabilities especially together
And we have no PnR PG, not even one like Sessions

Actually, there's been research on this. You break even if you're at 47%. So it's not a real concern.

I think we needed Bledsoe for this deal to entice us but there could be takers for Melo
I just don't think it would amount to anything close to half of what we payed to get him under our circumstances and Melo's player option

In the end I get it, Melo should see that he cannot win with this team in NYK and our lack of assets to improve, while he can likely walk and we get NOTHING

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gunsnewing wrote:Another question how does anyone but Carmelo know what he wants to do? More Stephen smoke?

Screaming A Smith has sources. He was months ahead on some big moves in the past. He has really good sources with the top guys from the Lebron draft.

He leaked Dolan wanted to trade Shump.

wtf is his problem? Dude has and agenda or something? Trying to ruin the knickers si they rebuild

I can't blame him for reporting the news if it is real. I would blame the people creating it.

That's the question. Unless he is in Melos head how does he know? I don't care about what the people around Melo think. What does Melo want?

The same way he knew melo wanted to join the Knicks or the Nets back during his Denver days. The same way he knew melo did not want to leave denver as a free agent(to get max money). The same way he knew Lebron, Wade and Bosh was going to the Heat months before it happened. I don't know how he figures these things out. I just know he has a good record with being correct with the stars of that draft class.

He does have a pretty good track record with these things. I think guys might talk to him and if he keeps them out of it he has the scoop. He certainly has been more reliable then Broussard. The thing about this though is there certainly is a lot of emotion around the Knicks right now and Melo could have been reacting in the moment to one of the many ridiculous things that have happened this season. Here is a question though, for those who say Melo should take less to win with this franchise, doesn't it make more sense for him to take less with a franchise that isn't dysfunctional, has a plan and is a lot closer to winning?

I can only speak for myself, but to answer your question. I don't want him to take less so we can win. I just want us to offer him less because he is not worth the max. This has nothing to do with any other factor besides what is melo actually worth. If melo was Lebron James in the same exact situation we are in now I would not mind offering him the max. Lebron is actually worth the max. Melo is a very flawed All-Star at best.

Like Gunsnewing said, the problem with melo is that he is too dumb to know a lot of things. He is too dumb to know he is not a superstar. He is too dumb to know what his faults are and to fix them. He is too dumb to know that if you really want to win you would not make your new team trade for you when they can sign you in the offseason(yes, I know we would have to cut some players like Wilson Chandler). He is too dumb to notice that ISO melo is inefficient and the hardest way to score points.

Maybe he doesn't recognize his faults, can't fix them or won't. He did say he is who he is at this point. However I disagree about him being a superstar. In regards to his trade and what was going on at that time the owners were locking out the players at the end of the year and their plan was to reign in free agency, and the raptors and cavs had just lost their franchise players for nothing. The fact that Walsh wanted a second star and the Knicks didn't want Melo to end up in NJ were also factors but Melo wasn't staying on the Nuggets and he didn't negotiate the deal.

The question you asked deals with the present. So my answers are all about our present situation.

He is too dumb to know that if you really want to win you would not make your new team trade for you when they can sign you in the offseason(yes, I know we would have to cut some players like Wilson Chandler).

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gunsnewing wrote:Another question how does anyone but Carmelo know what he wants to do? More Stephen smoke?

Screaming A Smith has sources. He was months ahead on some big moves in the past. He has really good sources with the top guys from the Lebron draft.

He leaked Dolan wanted to trade Shump.

wtf is his problem? Dude has and agenda or something? Trying to ruin the knickers si they rebuild

I can't blame him for reporting the news if it is real. I would blame the people creating it.

That's the question. Unless he is in Melos head how does he know? I don't care about what the people around Melo think. What does Melo want?

The same way he knew melo wanted to join the Knicks or the Nets back during his Denver days. The same way he knew melo did not want to leave denver as a free agent(to get max money). The same way he knew Lebron, Wade and Bosh was going to the Heat months before it happened. I don't know how he figures these things out. I just know he has a good record with being correct with the stars of that draft class.

He does have a pretty good track record with these things. I think guys might talk to him and if he keeps them out of it he has the scoop. He certainly has been more reliable then Broussard. The thing about this though is there certainly is a lot of emotion around the Knicks right now and Melo could have been reacting in the moment to one of the many ridiculous things that have happened this season. Here is a question though, for those who say Melo should take less to win with this franchise, doesn't it make more sense for him to take less with a franchise that isn't dysfunctional, has a plan and is a lot closer to winning?

I can only speak for myself, but to answer your question. I don't want him to take less so we can win. I just want us to offer him less because he is not worth the max. This has nothing to do with any other factor besides what is melo actually worth. If melo was Lebron James in the same exact situation we are in now I would not mind offering him the max. Lebron is actually worth the max. Melo is a very flawed All-Star at best.

Like Gunsnewing said, the problem with melo is that he is too dumb to know a lot of things. He is too dumb to know he is not a superstar. He is too dumb to know what his faults are and to fix them. He is too dumb to know that if you really want to win you would not make your new team trade for you when they can sign you in the offseason(yes, I know we would have to cut some players like Wilson Chandler). He is too dumb to notice that ISO melo is inefficient and the hardest way to score points.

Maybe he doesn't recognize his faults, can't fix them or won't. He did say he is who he is at this point. However I disagree about him being a superstar. In regards to his trade and what was going on at that time the owners were locking out the players at the end of the year and their plan was to reign in free agency, and the raptors and cavs had just lost their franchise players for nothing. The fact that Walsh wanted a second star and the Knicks didn't want Melo to end up in NJ were also factors but Melo wasn't staying on the Nuggets and he didn't negotiate the deal.

The question you asked deals with the present. So my answers are all about our present situation.

I thought when you wrote this

He is too dumb to know that if you really want to win you would not make your new team trade for you when they can sign you in the offseason(yes, I know we would have to cut some players like Wilson Chandler).

you were referring to the trade. You weren't?

You are correct sir. I forgot I put that part in. Whenever I think about Melo my thought on how we gave up assets for him when we could have gotten him by signing in the off season just tends to seep in.

tkf wrote:I hope SAS is 100% correct...

What you are hoping for another 13 years of failed dreams again? Or are you putting your faith in Dolan to put together a great team. LOL stop dreaming bro. When Melo goes we will really go in the dumps. No good coach wants to come to New York and you bet top of the line players aint coming either. So whats your plan???

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gunsnewing wrote:I don't trust Stephen and his sources. This doesn't make sense. Why would Melo leave knowing that the the Knicks could trade him to basketball Siberia

I don't either but he was correct about Lin and he seems to make sense about Iman Shumpert as well...

If he is willing to leave as a free agent he already is committed to getting 25 mil less and a year less on his contract. Where he is traded wouldn't matter unless he decided to resign there.

Hell be able to opt out after 3 anyway.

Here we go with the Ewing effect again. Let's face it! New York is a tough town to play in. And any star that comes here numbers will drop. We need to get rid of those orange ugly uniforms. I think they bring bad luck. Everyone is pushing the panic button and we just need to chill. I will blame this on Dolan. Getting rid of our GM and many other things. This is not Melo's fault it's everyones fault in the Knicks organization. We was just afriad of the Nets and the Nets wanted to out do us. Now look at the both of us.

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ApophisADL wrote:Lol. Then Melo will change his mind 24 hours later.

Only way I trade Melo is for Griffin.

Chandler and Memo
For
Jordan and Griffin plus trash

That's a bad trade. I don't know what yall see in Jordan he sucks, I want nothing to do with him. Griffin is also a very flawed star if you can even call him that.

NO THANK YOU

+1 Dagger.

All this talk about Melo not making players better is true, that's the biggest flaw in his game, but the same crew that has been dreaming about the day Melo leaves also want to bring Griffin here? That's ****ing insane. Can't create his own shot like Melo, doesn't make players better either, but after years of Melo this and Melo that, Blake Griffin? Are you kidding me?

If Melo wants to leave, fine, but we need a quality PG first and foremost, and a big with whatever is left.

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RonRon wrote:

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RonRon wrote:

tkf wrote:

Dagger wrote:

ApophisADL wrote:Lol. Then Melo will change his mind 24 hours later.

Only way I trade Melo is for Griffin.

Chandler and Memo
For
Jordan and Griffin plus trash

That's a bad trade. I don't know what yall see in Jordan he sucks, I want nothing to do with him. Griffin is also a very flawed star if you can even call him that.

NO THANK YOU

Griffin is flawed? lets see, he is a PF who actually plays like one. He patrols the paint, rebounds very, very well, can defend his position, passes pretty darn well, can score and do so efficiently...

And people, including his team mates.. Like him..

It would be a horrible trade for the clippers..

Jordan doesn't suck, again he does what the clippers need him to do.. dunk hard, block shots, rebound and intimidate...

sorry, those guys would instantly make the knicks better. while I can't say the same thing about carmelo or chandler in LA..

Problem is that they are both 50% FT shooters, so in a tight game/play match, they become liabilities especially together
And we have no PnR PG, not even one like Sessions

Actually, there's been research on this. You break even if you're at 47%. So it's not a real concern.

I think we needed Bledsoe for this deal to entice us but there could be takers for Melo
I just don't think it would amount to anything close to half of what we payed to get him under our circumstances and Melo's player option

In the end I get it, Melo should see that he cannot win with this team in NYK and our lack of assets to improve, while he can likely walk and we get NOTHING

I don't care what Melo sees. I want Dolan and Mills to see that he's overrated and we're better off trading him.

Yes Bonn Bonn people like you don't think with your brains you think with your bottom part. Do you remember the Ewing deal?? Just because you don't like someone you want them gone. But this is a bad team and the best player is Melo. Now just think about it Top of the line coaches ain't coming to New York and great player are not coming to New York. I believe top players will take less money to go some place else than come to New York. Right now we are toxic. The best thing we can do now is start winning games and get this thing under control. We are toxic right now so don't think players are coming here. We are toxic. Dolan and Woody messed up. From Chriss Smith to firing our GM and Woody not knowing a damn thing about playing offense or defense. Getting rid of the MSG dancers now how sick can that be. Yes we are the laughing stock of the NBA and the only hope is Phil Jackson and giving him full power.