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NardDogNation
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12/3/2013  7:18 PM
gunsnewing wrote:How is SVG a better coach than JVG? SVG made the finals with Howard when the East was weak. I like SVG but he is not his brother who already proved he can do it in New York even coaching against Michael Jordan

Stan displayed much greater offensive ingenuity, while wielding one of the best defensive schemes at that time. For years, the Magic happened to defend the 3 better than anyone in the league, while being a leader in 3 pointers made and 3 point efficiency. Considering what the bread and butter was for the Knicks last year (league leading 3 pointers made, one of the league leaders in 3 point effiency, a league leader in pick and roll efficiency and one of the beat defensive teams during our winning streaks), SVG could get much more out of this team than JVG could. In an ideal world, SVG would be our lieutenant (coach) and JVG my sergeant (lead assistant). Incidentally, I think the players we'd need to get the most of their coaching happen to be current and former Magic I.e. Aaron Afflalo, Jameer Nelson, Glen Davis, Brandon Bass, etc.

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12/3/2013  7:20 PM
This team has zero efficient 3pt shooters
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12/3/2013  7:23 PM
gunsnewing wrote:This team has zero efficient 3pt shooters

We'd need a trade or two but they are available (e.g. Marvin Williams, Earl Clark, Jimmer Fredette....), including the guys I just mentioned.

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12/3/2013  7:29 PM
There are no more news about this. There cannot be any truth to this one. Too bad.
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12/3/2013  7:55 PM
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GoNyGoNyGo wrote:If JVG comes back, he could bring SVG with him. That would be interesting. Perhaps LJ or Starks could become assistants too. The team needs to inject some PRIDE back onto the court.

Bring back JVG - give him defensive players like Chandler, SHump and Peace. Add a scorer in Melo with Bargs and Jr and this team has enough to do something. D comes first, hold teams to 85 and they can win with a JVG offense.

I would look to trade Smith, Felton, Stat to anyone who would dare to take them. Get balls, a pizza, a Civic, I don't care, just move those guys.

really? stan is likely a better coach!

Bring back former players to inject "pride"? Seriously? Paid professionals with low self esteem need not apply and have no place at this level. Knicks need to stop stripping the cupboard to get stars (Marbury,Eddy,Melo) and then trying to fill the roster with reject physically talented mental midgets thinking it can succeed. IN fact, Starks and JR have a lot in common. Physically talented low IQ players!

LJ was a no. 1 pick with HOF talent in line with Barkley. How he become a knick? An $84,000,000 contract and a bad back. He played for love or for contract? I don't know, he was a great because he really gave everything he had. You can't teach what he had. sorry.


I disagree. JVG made the finals as a coach. SVG never did. Players improved under JVG. SVG is better offensively and that is why he is the top assistant. JVG is the head coach because he is the task master. He is the workaholic.

I also think Starks was a more IQ player than Smith by far. He was also more hard nosed and had less, yes LESS talent than JR. JR is a pot smoking dope. He had so much last year going to the rim and now he forgets that and constantly chucks shots up. Yes, Game 7, I know. I watched it. I blame Riley more than Starks that night. JR hopes he can have HALF the legacy that Starks has as NY KNICKERBBOCKER.

LJ came over in a trade for Mason. He transformed his game from a low post beast to a defensive player who could hit a 3 pointer. Yes, HOF talent but his back kept him from reaching his levels.

What is so bad about bringing back the idea of pride? Melo has none. He smiles after he chokes. I don't recall Starks or LJ smiling when they lost to the Rockets and SPurs respectively.

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12/3/2013  8:02 PM
Silverfuel wrote:There are no more news about this. There cannot be any truth to this one. Too bad.

I think it's very possible. I thought so last year. JVG seemed very interested in the Knicks team for a guy who's been away from the team for over a decade. The praising of Melo Tyson and Shumpert. Admitting he his biggest regret is quitting a good thing with Kay. The only thing is would he do it in season or would we have to wait til the offseason like you said. JVG is not one to replace coaches in season. I don't really think you can delay the inevitable though

As much as I want to blow the whole thing up. This is a lot more realistic considering the owner. Make a splash at head coach, get the most of of our better players, somehow make the playoffs and avoid giving up a lottery pick. Change the culture and go for it after 2015

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12/3/2013  8:06 PM
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:
Nalod wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:If JVG comes back, he could bring SVG with him. That would be interesting. Perhaps LJ or Starks could become assistants too. The team needs to inject some PRIDE back onto the court.

Bring back JVG - give him defensive players like Chandler, SHump and Peace. Add a scorer in Melo with Bargs and Jr and this team has enough to do something. D comes first, hold teams to 85 and they can win with a JVG offense.

I would look to trade Smith, Felton, Stat to anyone who would dare to take them. Get balls, a pizza, a Civic, I don't care, just move those guys.

really? stan is likely a better coach!

Bring back former players to inject "pride"? Seriously? Paid professionals with low self esteem need not apply and have no place at this level. Knicks need to stop stripping the cupboard to get stars (Marbury,Eddy,Melo) and then trying to fill the roster with reject physically talented mental midgets thinking it can succeed. IN fact, Starks and JR have a lot in common. Physically talented low IQ players!

LJ was a no. 1 pick with HOF talent in line with Barkley. How he become a knick? An $84,000,000 contract and a bad back. He played for love or for contract? I don't know, he was a great because he really gave everything he had. You can't teach what he had. sorry.


I disagree. JVG made the finals as a coach. SVG never did. Players improved under JVG. SVG is better offensively and that is why he is the top assistant. JVG is the head coach because he is the task master. He is the workaholic.

I also think Starks was a more IQ player than Smith by far. He was also more hard nosed and had less, yes LESS talent than JR. JR is a pot smoking dope. He had so much last year going to the rim and now he forgets that and constantly chucks shots up. Yes, Game 7, I know. I watched it. I blame Riley more than Starks that night. JR hopes he can have HALF the legacy that Starks has as NY KNICKERBBOCKER.

LJ came over in a trade for Mason. He transformed his game from a low post beast to a defensive player who could hit a 3 pointer. Yes, HOF talent but his back kept him from reaching his levels.

What is so bad about bringing back the idea of pride? Melo has none. He smiles after he chokes. I don't recall Starks or LJ smiling when they lost to the Rockets and SPurs respectively.

I don't recall those guys smiling period after losses

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12/3/2013  8:16 PM
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:
Nalod wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:If JVG comes back, he could bring SVG with him. That would be interesting. Perhaps LJ or Starks could become assistants too. The team needs to inject some PRIDE back onto the court.

Bring back JVG - give him defensive players like Chandler, SHump and Peace. Add a scorer in Melo with Bargs and Jr and this team has enough to do something. D comes first, hold teams to 85 and they can win with a JVG offense.

I would look to trade Smith, Felton, Stat to anyone who would dare to take them. Get balls, a pizza, a Civic, I don't care, just move those guys.

really? stan is likely a better coach!

Bring back former players to inject "pride"? Seriously? Paid professionals with low self esteem need not apply and have no place at this level. Knicks need to stop stripping the cupboard to get stars (Marbury,Eddy,Melo) and then trying to fill the roster with reject physically talented mental midgets thinking it can succeed. IN fact, Starks and JR have a lot in common. Physically talented low IQ players!

LJ was a no. 1 pick with HOF talent in line with Barkley. How he become a knick? An $84,000,000 contract and a bad back. He played for love or for contract? I don't know, he was a great because he really gave everything he had. You can't teach what he had. sorry.


I disagree. JVG made the finals as a coach. SVG never did. Players improved under JVG. SVG is better offensively and that is why he is the top assistant. JVG is the head coach because he is the task master. He is the workaholic.

I also think Starks was a more IQ player than Smith by far. He was also more hard nosed and had less, yes LESS talent than JR. JR is a pot smoking dope. He had so much last year going to the rim and now he forgets that and constantly chucks shots up. Yes, Game 7, I know. I watched it. I blame Riley more than Starks that night. JR hopes he can have HALF the legacy that Starks has as NY KNICKERBBOCKER.

LJ came over in a trade for Mason. He transformed his game from a low post beast to a defensive player who could hit a 3 pointer. Yes, HOF talent but his back kept him from reaching his levels.

What is so bad about bringing back the idea of pride? Melo has none. He smiles after he chokes. I don't recall Starks or LJ smiling when they lost to the Rockets and SPurs respectively.

Yes he did, lost to LA.

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12/3/2013  8:18 PM
gunsnewing wrote:This team has zero efficient 3pt shooters

And zero healthy, efficient 2 point shooters!
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12/3/2013  8:18 PM
Van Gundy for head coach, Ewing, Oak, Starks as assistants.

Seriously though, him quitting didn't go over well with me. I'd want to hear from him why he wouldn't quit again.

But I would wait until we get Tyson and Tyler in the lineup before making a coaching change.

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12/3/2013  8:22 PM
JVG is an old school coach, I don't see how he would fit with this roster. He was never known to be an offensive minded coach so the offense would still stink and we don't have the defensive players for his defense philosophies to work. He isn't going to turn Melo into a less selfish team player and leader as he couldn't do it with Steve Franchise.

You need a great motivator like Doc Rivers or Mark Jackson for this crew or a chemistry builder like Phil Jackson.

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12/3/2013  8:24 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:This team has zero efficient 3pt shooters

And zero healthy, efficient 2 point shooters!

lol true

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12/3/2013  8:26 PM
ToddTT wrote:Van Gundy for head coach, Ewing, Oak, Starks as assistants.

Seriously though, him quitting didn't go over well with me. I'd want to hear from him why he wouldn't quit again.

But I would wait until we get Tyson and Tyler in the lineup before making a coaching change.

I rather a coach quit after butting heads with the owner than be the ultimate yes man and tow the company line. That's just me tho

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12/3/2013  8:29 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:JVG is an old school coach, I don't see how he would fit with this roster. He was never known to be an offensive minded coach so the offense would still stink and we don't have the defensive players for his defense philosophies to work. He isn't going to turn Melo into a less selfish team player and leader as he couldn't do it with Steve Franchise.

You need a great motivator like Doc Rivers or Mark Jackson for this crew or a chemistry builder like Phil Jackson.

JVG I will make it work. There are plenty of defensive players in Tyson, Shumpert, Kmart, Artest, Murray and Aldrich. And he will get the most out of Melo, Bargnani and THJ defensively.

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12/3/2013  11:45 PM
All concepts. Rid of Amare just like that.
Didn't Stan coach Orlando to the finals?

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How does Starks install pride? Starks was a high IQ player?

Alllllright then!!!

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12/4/2013  12:26 AM
You know I actually dislike Starks very much as a player, but there's one thing he had and it was heart. That's the main reason I like him over JR Smith. Starks was also a much better defender than JR Smith.
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12/4/2013  12:31 AM
Starks would never smoke/snort us out of the playoffs, that's for sure.
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12/4/2013  12:44 AM
IronWillGiroud wrote:Starks would never smoke/snort us out of the playoffs, that's for sure.

JR will never make up for that,

Guy's a punk,

#FOH JR!! :)

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12/4/2013  4:02 AM
gunsnewing wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:This team has zero efficient 3pt shooters

And zero healthy, efficient 2 point shooters!

lol true

It's quite impressive that we've somehow assembled a roster of players that can't shoot 2's, can't shoot 3's, can't drive to the basket and can't defend.

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12/4/2013  4:04 AM
IronWillGiroud wrote:Starks would never smoke/snort us out of the playoffs, that's for sure.

Of course not... (cough, finals game 7 rumors, cough)

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