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Bonn1997 wrote:I'd rather trade him but I'm not gonna cry over Carmelo leaving us with $60 mil in cap space intact.

not only that, but we are not going to get back the same package we gave up.. I a team is willing or stupid enough to give us close to that, I would say do it tomorrow..

Some role players making combined Melo's salary, no thanks.

carmelo is a role player making max money.. who is a role player to you? it seems you don't have a clear grasp on who a star is... there are a lot of role players in the league who are allstar players or play on that level..

Let me ask you, was indiana a team of role players last year? and please don't mention paul george as being a star then, because only myself and a few others were calling him star talent last year...

you would not take the pacers team over having carmelo? really?

The Pacers are the one exception you like to use and its pretty warn out. George, West, and Hibbert are all-star players. They are not role players, and no reasonable basketball person considers Melo a role player.

exception.... every team doing well now has done so with players they drafted,smart trades, and FA signings.. we have done neither.. but the key is how they manipulated assets...

The knicks tried to follow another teams model but did so horribly...

you can't follow a model which pretty much requires you getting the best players in the league.. once they are gone, that model won't work!!

But please reasonably explain how Melo is a role player. Are most role players top 10 HOF candidates? Just asking.

top 10 HOF candidates.. what the heck does that mean.. top 10 of all time? top 10 among role players, top 10 among guys born in the 80's.. top 10 of guys who names end in "elo"... lol.. such a random statement..

Pardon me, he's in the top 12 of active players for HOF probability.

BasketBall-Reference.com
Active Min 400 Games
Rank Player HoF Prob
1. Kobe Bryant 1.0000
2. Tim Duncan 0.9999
3. LeBron James 0.9995
4. Dwyane Wade 0.9990
5. Kevin Garnett 0.9990
6. Dirk Nowitzki 0.9865
7. Paul Pierce 0.9823
8. Ray Allen 0.9657
9. Chris Bosh 0.9466
10. Chris Paul 0.8937
11. Tony Parker 0.8324
12. Carmelo Anthony 0.8191
13. Dwight Howard 0.8082

Now please explain Melo the "role player".

read my post I just made.. carmelo has been miscast... you take the word role player as being bad.. mchale was a role player, a great one tho..

you know what is so great about this list, and thanks for posting it...

chris bosh, ray allen,pierce, parker and carmelo... have never made first team all NBA... but bosh has a ring, so does allen, Parker has 3 and has been finals MVP and pierce has been finals MVP... there still is a distinction between those guys and carmelo...

I point this out because you are now trying to use the potential "HOF" as a way to put carmelo on a level he doesn't belong..

bosh right now I think is cast perfectely as a role player in miami.. although an allstar, he clearly is a role player on the heat.... not norris cole or birdman, no, he is better than that, but he still is a role player on the heat.. I know the term role player is usually for those who specifically do one thing, but I like to call them specialty players..

but back to my point.. everyone on this list, has something to distinguish themselves, with the exception of carmelo.. he doesn't fit... and yes getting a ring isn't easy, chris paul doesn't have one, but he has distinguished himself individually..

kind of eye opening here..

He doesn't fit, because you say so. Yes, that's tremendously eye opening. I'm not going to bother showing you again what the man's accomplished, because you'll just point out something that he hasn't accomplished, and make exceptions for those who don't meet the same requirement.

Sad.

Building the Model
For the Hall of Fame problem, I tried to use as many predictor variables as I could think of, but I did not use statistics that have not been kept for most of the NBA's history (e.g., steals). My player pool consisted of players who had played a minimum of 400 NBA games and had been eligible for at least one Hall of Fame election. After trying numerous models, my final model had seven predictor variables:
1.height (in inches)
2.last season indicator (1 if 1959-60 or before, 0 otherwise)
3.NBA points per game
4.NBA rebounds per game
5.NBA assists per game
6.NBA All-Star game selections
7.NBA championships won
All of the predictors listed above were significant at the 0.05 level. Other than height, all of the predictors had positive coefficients. ABA statistics, honors, and championships were not important predictors of Hall of Fame status, which is why I only used NBA statistics in my final model. I don't like ignoring the ABA statistics, but that's what the voters have apparently done. Keep in mind that my goal was not to determine who in the Hall of Fame, but rather who is likely to be in the Hall of Fame.

Bonn - While this model explains why AI isn't on the list, what have the other variables have to do with popularity?

JRod, what has he accomplished that would distinguish him...

NBA awards and accomplishments
2012-2013 NBA Scoring Champion
5-time All-NBA selection:
Second team: 2010, 2013
Third team: 2006, 2007, 2009, 2012
6-time NBA All-Star: 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013
NBA Rookie Challenge MVP: 2005[2]
NBA All-Rookie selection: First team: 2004[3]
Bronze medal with Team USA, 2004 Summer Olympic Games
Bronze medal with Team USA, 2006 FIBA World Championship
Gold medal with Team USA, 2007 FIBA Americas Championship
Gold medal with Team USA, 2008 Summer Olympic Games
Gold medal with Team USA, 2012 Summer Olympic Games
NBA records: Most points scored in one quarter: 33 (on December 10, 2008 vs. Minnesota Timberwolves)[4]
Tied with George Gervin (April 9, 1978)
Most consecutive points scored in a game: 26 (on December 10, 2008 vs. Minnesota Timberwolves)[5]
One of three teenagers to average more than 20 points per game; others are Kevin Durant and LeBron James
4 NBA Player of the Month
Apr-2013 Apr-2012 Nov-2009 Mar-2006

14 NBA Player of the Week
04/08/2013 04/01/2013 12/31/2012 11/26/2012 01/19/2010 11/02/2009 03/30/2008 12/23/2007 02/11/2007 12/03/2006 11/26/2006 03/19/2006 04/12/2004 03/14/2004

6 NBA Rookie of the Month
Apr-2004 Mar-2004 Feb-2004 Jan-2004 Dec-2003 Nov-2003

Owns four career 40-plus post-season games (two with Knicks), joining Bernard King (7) and Patrick Ewing (2) as only Knicks ever to record multiple 40-plus Playoff games.

Has led his team to the NBA Playoffs in each of his nine pro seasons, with 24.9 ppg in 54 career games (all starts)

95th leading scorer in NBA history with 15,926 career points...Just ahead of him on the all-time list are Hall of Famer Pete Maravich (94th with 15,948) and former Knicks Kiki Vandeweghe (93rd with 15,980) and Derek Harper (92nd with 16,006)
Career scoring average (24.7) ranks 14th on the all-time NBA list coming into 2012-13 and fourth among active players (behind LeBron James' 27.7, Kobe Bryant's 25.4 and Dwyane Wade's 25.2)
Ranks 17th among active players in total points (15,926)
On Nuggets' all-time franchise lists, Melo is third all-time in points (13,970, trailing only Alex English's 21,645 and Dan Issel 16,589), third in minutes (20,521), sixth in games played (564), seventh in steals (634), sixth in 3PT FG (410), ninth in rebounds (3,566) and 10th in assists (1,729).

Fourth on NBA Playoff leader board in scoring (27.8), trailing only LeBron James (30.3), Kobe Bryant (30.0) and Kevin Durant (28.5).

Fourth on NBA Playoff leader board in minutes (40.8).

But please, keep telling me what he hasn't done, tkf. All non-distinguishable role players accomplish this stuff every day.

and out of all of this, where does this distinguish him among others that make him GREAT, or worthy of being on a list with wade, lebron, dirk, duncan and garnett..

this is wht you are missing..

every team will have a player that leads their team in scoring, rebounding and assist and that may may never be great..

Iggy has a gold medal, so does anthony davis.. 6 time NBA allstar.. ok amare is a 6 time allstar, he also made first team NBA, something carmelo hasn't done..

what you posted hasn't seperated him from good players, and it certainaly doesn't put him in the category with the great players... this is what you miss..

there is something that the GREATs have in common even outside of winning rings that carmelo doesn't have.. I already stated them...

I have a stat for you.. carmelo is the 61st player to score over 18k points... of those 61 players. he is ranked 53rd in assist... LOL

Greats of the NBA made their teams better just by their presence.
There is no need to prove greatness. It just is.
Melo has the ability but never figure it out yet.
And he never listen to anybody who can help him to figure it out.
It is not a rocket since.
Melo can just listen on game tape Clyde comments for the game and then just do it.
But so far he cannot or does not want to.

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I'd rather trade him but I'm not gonna cry over Carmelo leaving us with $60 mil in cap space intact.

not only that, but we are not going to get back the same package we gave up.. I a team is willing or stupid enough to give us close to that, I would say do it tomorrow..

Some role players making combined Melo's salary, no thanks.

carmelo is a role player making max money.. who is a role player to you? it seems you don't have a clear grasp on who a star is... there are a lot of role players in the league who are allstar players or play on that level..

Let me ask you, was indiana a team of role players last year? and please don't mention paul george as being a star then, because only myself and a few others were calling him star talent last year...

you would not take the pacers team over having carmelo? really?

The Pacers are the one exception you like to use and its pretty warn out. George, West, and Hibbert are all-star players. They are not role players, and no reasonable basketball person considers Melo a role player.

exception.... every team doing well now has done so with players they drafted,smart trades, and FA signings.. we have done neither.. but the key is how they manipulated assets...

The knicks tried to follow another teams model but did so horribly...

you can't follow a model which pretty much requires you getting the best players in the league.. once they are gone, that model won't work!!

But please reasonably explain how Melo is a role player. Are most role players top 10 HOF candidates? Just asking.

top 10 HOF candidates.. what the heck does that mean.. top 10 of all time? top 10 among role players, top 10 among guys born in the 80's.. top 10 of guys who names end in "elo"... lol.. such a random statement..

Pardon me, he's in the top 12 of active players for HOF probability.

BasketBall-Reference.com
Active Min 400 Games
Rank Player HoF Prob
1. Kobe Bryant 1.0000
2. Tim Duncan 0.9999
3. LeBron James 0.9995
4. Dwyane Wade 0.9990
5. Kevin Garnett 0.9990
6. Dirk Nowitzki 0.9865
7. Paul Pierce 0.9823
8. Ray Allen 0.9657
9. Chris Bosh 0.9466
10. Chris Paul 0.8937
11. Tony Parker 0.8324
12. Carmelo Anthony 0.8191
13. Dwight Howard 0.8082

Now please explain Melo the "role player".

read my post I just made.. carmelo has been miscast... you take the word role player as being bad.. mchale was a role player, a great one tho..

you know what is so great about this list, and thanks for posting it...

chris bosh, ray allen,pierce, parker and carmelo... have never made first team all NBA... but bosh has a ring, so does allen, Parker has 3 and has been finals MVP and pierce has been finals MVP... there still is a distinction between those guys and carmelo...

I point this out because you are now trying to use the potential "HOF" as a way to put carmelo on a level he doesn't belong..

bosh right now I think is cast perfectely as a role player in miami.. although an allstar, he clearly is a role player on the heat.... not norris cole or birdman, no, he is better than that, but he still is a role player on the heat.. I know the term role player is usually for those who specifically do one thing, but I like to call them specialty players..

but back to my point.. everyone on this list, has something to distinguish themselves, with the exception of carmelo.. he doesn't fit... and yes getting a ring isn't easy, chris paul doesn't have one, but he has distinguished himself individually..

kind of eye opening here..

He doesn't fit, because you say so. Yes, that's tremendously eye opening. I'm not going to bother showing you again what the man's accomplished, because you'll just point out something that he hasn't accomplished, and make exceptions for those who don't meet the same requirement.

Sad.

Building the Model
For the Hall of Fame problem, I tried to use as many predictor variables as I could think of, but I did not use statistics that have not been kept for most of the NBA's history (e.g., steals). My player pool consisted of players who had played a minimum of 400 NBA games and had been eligible for at least one Hall of Fame election. After trying numerous models, my final model had seven predictor variables:
1.height (in inches)
2.last season indicator (1 if 1959-60 or before, 0 otherwise)
3.NBA points per game
4.NBA rebounds per game
5.NBA assists per game
6.NBA All-Star game selections
7.NBA championships won
All of the predictors listed above were significant at the 0.05 level. Other than height, all of the predictors had positive coefficients. ABA statistics, honors, and championships were not important predictors of Hall of Fame status, which is why I only used NBA statistics in my final model. I don't like ignoring the ABA statistics, but that's what the voters have apparently done. Keep in mind that my goal was not to determine who in the Hall of Fame, but rather who is likely to be in the Hall of Fame.

Bonn - While this model explains why AI isn't on the list, what have the other variables have to do with popularity?

AI isn't on the list because it's current players.
Other variables? Among lay opinion (which is what the formula is designed to asses), total scoring gets gigantic weight and then everything else gets a little weight.

Great catch on AI. I was just pointing out what I thought was the weirdness of using height.

Lay opinion? Wow, we are high and mighty, aint we? How does one become part of the NBA Illuminati?
First it's all based on popularity, and now it's based on scoring. Which is it, Bonn?

The table below gives the parameter estimates of the coefficients for each of the seven predictors:

height -0.1771
last season indicator 3.1498
NBA points per game 0.3433
NBA rebounds per game 0.4193
NBA assists per game 0.3327
NBA All-Star game selections 0.5626
NBA championships won 0.9151

Chips seem to weigh heavily as well, along with All-Star game selections.
Yes, I see what you mean; scoring points does seem to contribute to the "lay opinion" of value assignment. Dopey lay people.

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:[He doesn't fit, because you say so. Yes, that's tremendously eye opening. I'm not going to bother showing you again what the man's accomplished, because you'll just point out something that he hasn't accomplished, and make exceptions for those who don't meet the same requirement.

Sad.

Building the Model
For the Hall of Fame problem, I tried to use as many predictor variables as I could think of, but I did not use statistics that have not been kept for most of the NBA's history (e.g., steals). My player pool consisted of players who had played a minimum of 400 NBA games and had been eligible for at least one Hall of Fame election. After trying numerous models, my final model had seven predictor variables:
1.height (in inches)
2.last season indicator (1 if 1959-60 or before, 0 otherwise)
3.NBA points per game
4.NBA rebounds per game
5.NBA assists per game
6.NBA All-Star game selections
7.NBA championships won
All of the predictors listed above were significant at the 0.05 level. Other than height, all of the predictors had positive coefficients. ABA statistics, honors, and championships were not important predictors of Hall of Fame status, which is why I only used NBA statistics in my final model. I don't like ignoring the ABA statistics, but that's what the voters have apparently done. Keep in mind that my goal was not to determine who in the Hall of Fame, but rather who is likely to be in the Hall of Fame.

JRod, what has he accomplished that would distinguish him...

NBA awards and accomplishments
2012-2013 NBA Scoring Champion
5-time All-NBA selection:
Second team: 2010, 2013
Third team: 2006, 2007, 2009, 2012
6-time NBA All-Star: 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013
NBA Rookie Challenge MVP: 2005[2]
NBA All-Rookie selection: First team: 2004[3]
Bronze medal with Team USA, 2004 Summer Olympic Games
Bronze medal with Team USA, 2006 FIBA World Championship
Gold medal with Team USA, 2007 FIBA Americas Championship
Gold medal with Team USA, 2008 Summer Olympic Games
Gold medal with Team USA, 2012 Summer Olympic Games
NBA records: Most points scored in one quarter: 33 (on December 10, 2008 vs. Minnesota Timberwolves)[4]
Tied with George Gervin (April 9, 1978)
Most consecutive points scored in a game: 26 (on December 10, 2008 vs. Minnesota Timberwolves)[5]
One of three teenagers to average more than 20 points per game; others are Kevin Durant and LeBron James
4 NBA Player of the Month
Apr-2013 Apr-2012 Nov-2009 Mar-2006

14 NBA Player of the Week
04/08/2013 04/01/2013 12/31/2012 11/26/2012 01/19/2010 11/02/2009 03/30/2008 12/23/2007 02/11/2007 12/03/2006 11/26/2006 03/19/2006 04/12/2004 03/14/2004

6 NBA Rookie of the Month
Apr-2004 Mar-2004 Feb-2004 Jan-2004 Dec-2003 Nov-2003

Owns four career 40-plus post-season games (two with Knicks), joining Bernard King (7) and Patrick Ewing (2) as only Knicks ever to record multiple 40-plus Playoff games.

Has led his team to the NBA Playoffs in each of his nine pro seasons, with 24.9 ppg in 54 career games (all starts)

95th leading scorer in NBA history with 15,926 career points...Just ahead of him on the all-time list are Hall of Famer Pete Maravich (94th with 15,948) and former Knicks Kiki Vandeweghe (93rd with 15,980) and Derek Harper (92nd with 16,006)
Career scoring average (24.7) ranks 14th on the all-time NBA list coming into 2012-13 and fourth among active players (behind LeBron James' 27.7, Kobe Bryant's 25.4 and Dwyane Wade's 25.2)
Ranks 17th among active players in total points (15,926)
On Nuggets' all-time franchise lists, Melo is third all-time in points (13,970, trailing only Alex English's 21,645 and Dan Issel 16,589), third in minutes (20,521), sixth in games played (564), seventh in steals (634), sixth in 3PT FG (410), ninth in rebounds (3,566) and 10th in assists (1,729).

Fourth on NBA Playoff leader board in scoring (27.8), trailing only LeBron James (30.3), Kobe Bryant (30.0) and Kevin Durant (28.5).

Fourth on NBA Playoff leader board in minutes (40.8).

But please, keep telling me what he hasn't done, tkf. All non-distinguishable role players accomplish this stuff every day.

and out of all of this, where does this distinguish him among others that make him GREAT, or worthy of being on a list with wade, lebron, dirk, duncan and garnett..

this is wht you are missing..

every team will have a player that leads their team in scoring, rebounding and assist and that may may never be great..

Iggy has a gold medal, so does anthony davis.. 6 time NBA allstar.. ok amare is a 6 time allstar, he also made first team NBA, something carmelo hasn't done..

what you posted hasn't seperated him from good players, and it certainaly doesn't put him in the category with the great players... this is what you miss..

there is something that the GREATs have in common even outside of winning rings that carmelo doesn't have.. I already stated them...

I have a stat for you.. carmelo is the 61st player to score over 18k points... of those 61 players. he is ranked 53rd in assist... LOL

Nice cherry picking and changing the subject though. Lay Iggy's and Anthony Davis' career exploits next to melos and let me know how that looks to you.

You've called him better than good, but he's not fit to be on a list of great players. Was Ewing great? Was BK great? Pete Maravich?

Really nice stat on the assists; you realize you prove my point for me by continuing to come up with some deranged stat to discount the 20 lines of accomplishments and other lists he's on with the greats. Maybe for your next trick you can come up with something that shows he's not even in the top ten to wear a headband.

It's really terrible that putting the round thing in the round hole is such an integral part of the sport, isn't it?

Bonn1997 wrote:I'd rather trade him but I'm not gonna cry over Carmelo leaving us with $60 mil in cap space intact.

I've posted this a few places; here's my suggestion on how to move going forward:

Blow it up. Talk with OKC about Tyson for a package of Perkins and multiple picks or to the Clippers for DeAndre Jordan and picks. Try to trade Felton or Prigioni to OKC for Fisher and a 1st rounder; if not then see if we can get a 2nd rounder from them. Bargnani's been playing well, call every team in the league and see if someone's willing to give up some future assets for him.

Most importantly, I guarantee that if we continue to play like this Melo will leave this Summer, probably for the Lakers. Talk to the Lakers about a trade package for Pau Gasol and then flip him to another team. Also talk to teams willing to make a splash and try to win now: New Orleans, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Washington and whoever else. Jump at the best offer of picks and players we get.

We have our own 1st rounder in 2015! Tank for the highest lottery pick possible and choose the best player available.

The Summer of 2015 go after our own big 3: Marc Gasol, Kevin Love, and Rajon Rondo. Build around Gasol, Love, Rondo, our 2015 lotto pick, Shumpert, and Hardaway (I guess).

VCoug wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I'd rather trade him but I'm not gonna cry over Carmelo leaving us with $60 mil in cap space intact.

I've posted this a few places; here's my suggestion on how to move going forward:

Blow it up. Talk with OKC about Tyson for a package of Perkins and multiple picks or to the Clippers for DeAndre Jordan and picks. Try to trade Felton or Prigioni to OKC for Fisher and a 1st rounder; if not then see if we can get a 2nd rounder from them. Bargnani's been playing well, call every team in the league and see if someone's willing to give up some future assets for him.

Most importantly, I guarantee that if we continue to play like this Melo will leave this Summer, probably for the Lakers. Talk to the Lakers about a trade package for Pau Gasol and then flip him to another team. Also talk to teams willing to make a splash and try to win now: New Orleans, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Washington and whoever else. Jump at the best offer of picks and players we get.

We have our own 1st rounder in 2015! Tank for the highest lottery pick possible and choose the best player available.

The Summer of 2015 go after our own big 3: Marc Gasol, Kevin Love, and Rajon Rondo. Build around Gasol, Love, Rondo, our 2015 lotto pick, Shumpert, and Hardaway (I guess).

so being a horrible team for another 10 yrs is your plan...You think some drafts picks and role players will win us a championship, please give me a team that has done this same thinking and had great success..

Mini is building around love and rubio, are they contenders
Marc gasol has solid talent around, are they contenders

Please stop with building through the draft, NY will never do it, in fact they tried that with Gallo, chandler, tony douglas, hill, ariza, and shumps on the trading block..get my point

knicks1248 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I'd rather trade him but I'm not gonna cry over Carmelo leaving us with $60 mil in cap space intact.

I've posted this a few places; here's my suggestion on how to move going forward:

Blow it up. Talk with OKC about Tyson for a package of Perkins and multiple picks or to the Clippers for DeAndre Jordan and picks. Try to trade Felton or Prigioni to OKC for Fisher and a 1st rounder; if not then see if we can get a 2nd rounder from them. Bargnani's been playing well, call every team in the league and see if someone's willing to give up some future assets for him.

Most importantly, I guarantee that if we continue to play like this Melo will leave this Summer, probably for the Lakers. Talk to the Lakers about a trade package for Pau Gasol and then flip him to another team. Also talk to teams willing to make a splash and try to win now: New Orleans, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Washington and whoever else. Jump at the best offer of picks and players we get.

We have our own 1st rounder in 2015! Tank for the highest lottery pick possible and choose the best player available.

The Summer of 2015 go after our own big 3: Marc Gasol, Kevin Love, and Rajon Rondo. Build around Gasol, Love, Rondo, our 2015 lotto pick, Shumpert, and Hardaway (I guess).

so being a horrible team for another 10 yrs is your plan...You think some drafts picks and role players will win us a championship, please give me a team that has done this same thinking and had great success..

Mini is building around love and rubio, are they contenders
Marc gasol has solid talent around, are they contenders

Please stop with building through the draft, NY will never do it, in fact they tried that with Gallo, chandler, tony douglas, hill, ariza, and shumps on the trading block..get my point

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I'd rather trade him but I'm not gonna cry over Carmelo leaving us with $60 mil in cap space intact.

I've posted this a few places; here's my suggestion on how to move going forward:

Blow it up. Talk with OKC about Tyson for a package of Perkins and multiple picks or to the Clippers for DeAndre Jordan and picks. Try to trade Felton or Prigioni to OKC for Fisher and a 1st rounder; if not then see if we can get a 2nd rounder from them. Bargnani's been playing well, call every team in the league and see if someone's willing to give up some future assets for him.

Most importantly, I guarantee that if we continue to play like this Melo will leave this Summer, probably for the Lakers. Talk to the Lakers about a trade package for Pau Gasol and then flip him to another team. Also talk to teams willing to make a splash and try to win now: New Orleans, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Washington and whoever else. Jump at the best offer of picks and players we get.

We have our own 1st rounder in 2015! Tank for the highest lottery pick possible and choose the best player available.

The Summer of 2015 go after our own big 3: Marc Gasol, Kevin Love, and Rajon Rondo. Build around Gasol, Love, Rondo, our 2015 lotto pick, Shumpert, and Hardaway (I guess).

so being a horrible team for another 10 yrs is your plan...You think some drafts picks and role players will win us a championship, please give me a team that has done this same thinking and had great success..

Mini is building around love and rubio, are they contenders
Marc gasol has solid talent around, are they contenders

Please stop with building through the draft, NY will never do it, in fact they tried that with Gallo, chandler, tony douglas, hill, ariza, and shumps on the trading block..get my point

Didn't VCoug suggest trading Chandler and Melo for picks and then also use cap space in 2015 for free agents? What's with the 10 year plan critique?

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I'd rather trade him but I'm not gonna cry over Carmelo leaving us with $60 mil in cap space intact.

not only that, but we are not going to get back the same package we gave up.. I a team is willing or stupid enough to give us close to that, I would say do it tomorrow..

Some role players making combined Melo's salary, no thanks.

carmelo is a role player making max money.. who is a role player to you? it seems you don't have a clear grasp on who a star is... there are a lot of role players in the league who are allstar players or play on that level..

Let me ask you, was indiana a team of role players last year? and please don't mention paul george as being a star then, because only myself and a few others were calling him star talent last year...

you would not take the pacers team over having carmelo? really?

The Pacers are the one exception you like to use and its pretty warn out. George, West, and Hibbert are all-star players. They are not role players, and no reasonable basketball person considers Melo a role player.

exception.... every team doing well now has done so with players they drafted,smart trades, and FA signings.. we have done neither.. but the key is how they manipulated assets...

The knicks tried to follow another teams model but did so horribly...

you can't follow a model which pretty much requires you getting the best players in the league.. once they are gone, that model won't work!!

But please reasonably explain how Melo is a role player. Are most role players top 10 HOF candidates? Just asking.

top 10 HOF candidates.. what the heck does that mean.. top 10 of all time? top 10 among role players, top 10 among guys born in the 80's.. top 10 of guys who names end in "elo"... lol.. such a random statement..

Pardon me, he's in the top 12 of active players for HOF probability.

BasketBall-Reference.com
Active Min 400 Games
Rank Player HoF Prob
1. Kobe Bryant 1.0000
2. Tim Duncan 0.9999
3. LeBron James 0.9995
4. Dwyane Wade 0.9990
5. Kevin Garnett 0.9990
6. Dirk Nowitzki 0.9865
7. Paul Pierce 0.9823
8. Ray Allen 0.9657
9. Chris Bosh 0.9466
10. Chris Paul 0.8937
11. Tony Parker 0.8324
12. Carmelo Anthony 0.8191
13. Dwight Howard 0.8082

Now please explain Melo the "role player".

His role is as a volume scorer. That's all you need to get overrated and get recognition. BBall reference never says that that formula has anything to do with how good the player is. Just how popular the player is. We've been through this before. All you're really doing is telling us that Melo gets a lot of points.

So looking at the company he is in, are you telling me he is the one player that doesn't belong? How can that be?

I explained it.. all of those players have something in common.. MVP, first team all nba, MVP finals MVP, nba champions.. they all have that in common.. except..

carmelo..

No ring, No first team all Nba, no mvp awards....

Papabear Says

How many won a NCAA championship? And also the MVP. OH that don't count.