nixluva wrote:TKF is no prophet. It's real simple:

1. Woody doing a terrible job this year. Dolan snipped Woody's nuts and now his words are empty. ZERO accountability.
2. Tyson breaks leg
3. Felton is playing like a bum all the way around. Not near his career FG% and is a matador on D
4. JR is an absolute knucklehead and is allowed too much rope by Woody. Not shooting a good FG% and playing selfish.

Now obviously if we get better leadership from Woody, FElton starts playing at least respectable PG, JR starts driving to the basket and playing smarter then suddenly you have a much different deal. Still lots of other smaller issues, but they don't dictate the situation as much as 2 of your top players from last year playing horribly is hurting right now. Eventually you get Tyson back and maybe add Tyler.

never claimed to be one.. just have a better handle on this team than some of you who view things with knick colored glasses on...

knicks didn't look good before tyson broke his leg..

I and others said woody didn't do a good job last year either..

we knew our PG's were bums.. look at my Free agent list thread.. I stated this many times..

me and others said JR was a knucklehead... and a fool..

these things have been mentioned.. you and other chose to ignore and harped on how much bargnani was going to help carmelo and vise versa... LOL

nixluva wrote:TKF is no prophet. It's real simple:

1. Woody doing a terrible job this year. Dolan snipped Woody's nuts and now his words are empty. ZERO accountability.
2. Tyson breaks leg
3. Felton is playing like a bum all the way around. Not near his career FG% and is a matador on D
4. JR is an absolute knucklehead and is allowed too much rope by Woody. Not shooting a good FG% and playing selfish.

Now obviously if we get better leadership from Woody, FElton starts playing at least respectable PG, JR starts driving to the basket and playing smarter then suddenly you have a much different deal. Still lots of other smaller issues, but they don't dictate the situation as much as 2 of your top players from last year playing horribly is hurting right now. Eventually you get Tyson back and maybe add Tyler.

the problem is systemic.
the fish rots from the head down.
chandler seems to be the lighting rod for the karmic implications for dolan and anthony's folly.

if people start realizing that melo is what he is then it is time to admit that the trade should never have happened.

tkf wrote:

Dagger wrote:

tkf wrote:

Dagger wrote:

tkf wrote:

Dagger wrote:This thread is turrible. There's a difference between admitting the Knicks suck and making tkf into this false prophet. First of all, why single out tkf of all people, there are plenty of people with pessimistic attitudes about this team on the forum that make far more reasonable claims and actually use logic in their arguments... This thread has managed to convince him that he was right all along and he sees the truth that all the dumb homers didn't see. It's threads like these that fuel this dude to repeat his same garbage over and over, so congratulations!- your reward: many more topics ruined by TKF's incessant babbling of nugget worship, paul george adoration, and danillo gallinari secret love notes, bravo!

this sounds personal..

Everyone gather round, the prophet spoke to me! He wants to share his wisdom with us all! Wow I feel blessed.

if they gather around it is just to see how jaded you sound and how foolish you are looking.. again, you are taking it so personal, i can see the hurt, and it is not a good look for you.. lol

I'm not taking anything personally, that seems to be your go to line when you don't know what to say. You haven't insulted me, why would I be hurt? I think you are confused. You also might want to look up the definition of jaded, as it most definitely applies more to everything you post than what I say...

jad·ed
ˈjādid/
adjective
adjective: jaded
1.
tired, bored, or lacking enthusiasm, typically after having had too much of something.
"meals to tempt the most jaded appetites"
synonyms: surfeited, sated, satiated, glutted; More
antonyms: fresh

This word is pretty much the epitome of your fandom.

so now you are going to tell me how to root for my team? again, sounds personal..

why are you not talking basketball, instead you are obsessing over me, both you and papabear.. I find that very odd...

toughen up..

this isn't a good look... you sound hurt and this sounds personal....

root for the knicks however you see fit.. don't tell me how to do so..

And the broken record continues to spin...

You're right it's not worth it to waste anymore time talking about you because you are not going to change.You are getting defensive and imagining things, I haven't made any recommendations to you, I know you are beyond that point. How can one truly talk knicks basketball when you are only ever interested in telling half the story?

Briggs addressing you personally as the one who predicted all of this coming to pass simply stood out to me as ridiculous. I have nothing more to say to you on the matter.

tkf wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

RonRon wrote:had Jeremy Lin still been a Knick, he would have not been utilized to his strengths and would have been constantly been barked and stare downs
While he would be the best player on our roster that actually improves the play and makes his team mates better
Anyone who thought Felton was better than Lin should really get a new pair of eyes, while one player has peaked and will decline, Lin has just started and will continue to improve and get better
Had we kept Lin, we could at least use his salary to add more salary like the Net's did with Wallace/Humphries, and do what we love to do in STARPHUCKING

now what can we do to improve?
accept failure and trade what we can for asset's/picks, and most importantly, any contracts that would lower the 2015 salary

Have a coach, that coaches the right way, demanding TEAM PLAY, effort on DEFENSE, with schemes and a philosophy that works, and holds players accountable
With this new CBA, we need to be able to have quality a quality development coaches and equipment

We also want to be able to attract quality players/ All STAR's, that *with our MLE this summer, buy picks with the 3m cash we didn't use this summer, and follow through with a plan with a GM/COACH by giving Poppavich and his staff the $$$ and power/control to become the next Riley as he is now for the Heat
Also need Dolan to be able to trust his staff and STAY OUT OF THEIR JOB, just sign the checks and STFU

- What is 1 year rental of Melo worth? Which teams would pay the most for him? If he opts out, we will either lose him for NOTHING or continue to lose with him, because he just is not good enough to demand the type of salary he wants.... I am thinking somewhere between 1 1st round pick and a pair of 2nd round picks, maybe a young player or 2 quality role players

- Felton packaged with whoever, like JR and/or Pablo for a REAL PG, or player we can see us keeping beyond 2015 like Dragic or even Lin/Asik

- Iman, I like him very much and believe he will be a very good player but like Lin, he isn't utilized correctly and doesn't have the pieces around him that fits him, every other team in the NBA knows this and value him much more than we do on our roster, if we can move Felton/JR, I would love to keep Iman
But with JR and Tim Hardway here, it makes sense to move at least one of the 3....
He fit very well with Lin and even Fields (especially when Fields started and played many minutes at SF), funny how Fields was effective at SF but unable to "fit in at SG as Melo's ability to score makes everything easier for other players"

Well said. This team is just plain assembled badly. They are not using the players correctly. I think it falls on Woody or is he receiving instructions from above?

I hate to say "Stick a fork in it." but when will it end?

Melo needs smart players around him. Felton and JR Smith are two of the least intelligent players in the NBA.
I just see this ending badly. Luckily we have our draft pick next year, but we know how that usually ends up. We are like a development team that teams can just take our assets for nothing.

And TKF I was with you the whole way with the Melo thing. Just bad how he came here. It can be summed up quite simple, you reap what you sow.

I really wish we had a say with getting Dolan, Mills and Woody out of here. I'm sure it is possible, just have to know how to organize.

yea, I know some of us didn't like the trade at all, I may have been more vocal, but I wasn't alone.. And thanks for the props BRiggs…. but I don't want to gloat, I hate seeing the knicks like this.. my problem was, that posters seemed to have a problem with me, mores than what I said.. it happened even mores on realm as I became a target…. It is sad because I want the knicks to be good, like any fan, but as someone said, we chose to follow the knicks, and if we do that, we should demand better, heck just give us a competent group, we will take that.. LOL

No one has a problem with what your opinion or what you stand for…the problem is that you say it in every f3cking thread!

Papabear wrote:

tkf wrote:

Papabear wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

JohnStarksFan wrote:

dk7th wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Dude you were right on about the Knicks--I give you credit. I believed that we would be better off with Bargs from that 54 win team--but Ive been fooled by what I thought we would have compared to reality. Reality is we had a one year phenomonom based on having a bunch of older winning vets led by Jason Kidd who changed this team. I guess the first marker I shouldve seen was the resigning of JR Smith than the adding of his brother who DID not make this team by his play. Vet signings this year were similar to that of Brooklyn--guys who may have stepped over their peaks into the direction of career ending downslopes --you nailed it dude.

this is a refreshing approach... giving props to posters who have demonstrated prescience based on a good understanding of the game... and human nature. other than being a bunch of mismatched parts the knicks lack morale and leadership.

thanks for being generous and not stingy!

I second this. TKF, you deserve props, BRIGGS as well for stepping up.
No mitches in this thread!!

TKF has gotten a lot of grief in the past but he has been pretty accurate about this team so far

Papabear Says

What happened last year?? He was the same old hater he is now. I will remember this day down the road. Sure the knicks have problems and the playing stinks but when management do what they did with Chriss Smith is showed me that they was more about money. The Knicks will come back and this season they will come back. It's very easy to predict something when it's dome and gloom and the team is playing bad. I give TKF nothing. F*#k the props.

I said last years team was fools gold.. I even predicted close to 50 wins, but that this was far from a contender..

spin on that babybear...

Papabear Says

Why are you a Knicks Fan? Why? You have nothing good to say about them you hate them so why are you a Knicks fan?? Answer the question.

Before this season started there were some respectable observations of the roster that suggested the team might not be good, but there were also some B.S. overly simplistic comments about the team that didn't provide any real insight into why we should expect the team not to play well. They don't hold water. We'll see how this all plays out.

Briggs you blew it!! You need to take this back or you will never live this down on this forum.

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:Gotta use reason with these early season situations. Teams have hot streaks and slumps and some teams come out clicking and some have zero chemistry. None of those things are accurate indications of what a team will be at the end of the season. IMO just saying Woody sucks, Felton sucks, Bargnani sucks, Melo sucks, so the Knicks are gonna lose is not evidence of real BB knowledge and insight. That's all we've really read here from the naysayers. If the team won last year it was just a fluke cuz ... well Knicks suck and are a gimmick.

Before this season started there were some respectable observations of the roster that suggested the team might not be good, but there were also some B.S. overly simplistic comments about the team that didn't provide any real insight into why we should expect the team not to play well. They don't hold water. We'll see how this all plays out.

the fish rots from the head down.
the front office is in turmoil, the roster is clumsy.
felton and melo are tweeners and woodson is not insightful enough to make it work.
melo doesn't make others around him better, and what's more he is inefficient even at the one skill he is said to possess. his usage to ast ratio is terrible. finally, when you say you want to test free agency you cede any scrap of leadership you may be trying to build, and what was said cannot be unsaid.
bargnani is a soft, zero-sum player. his usage to ast is also terrible.

therefore the ability to prosper for both is next to impossible. instead we should expect plenty of games where one guy is off and one guy on, other games where both are off, and then rarest of all will be there both prospering.

Don't bring more of this garbage gobbledygook nonsense to the forum.

Melo and Bargnani have been playing well together for the last 5 games:

Bargs - 30 mpg - 20.2 ppg - FG% 53.5 - 3pt% 51.6 - 6.6 reb - 1.8 blks
Melo - 38 mpg - 27.2 ppg - FG% 47.2 - 3pt% 43.8 - 8.4 reb - 3.0 asts

PLEASE STFU!!! PLEASE!!!

THe numbers would be even better if Felton was playing better and they actually got the ball to Bargs even more than they have. So much nonsense from some of the people on this forum. We need to get better production from Felton and JR and better defensive chemistry as a whole.

I'm glad I took that outlook because now that the Knicks suck it's not some major shock that has me depressed.

BRIGGS wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Briggs you blew it!! You need to take this back or you will never live this down on this forum.

Papabear==this is a basketball forum--who cares. Tfk and anyone who was pessimistic about this season seem to be quite on it. Doesnt make them any more knowledagble about basketball than anyone else. The bottom line is the Knicks sck and we overpaid for Melo--and were stuck in a BAD position. Thats that

Briggs we are 9 games in the season and if you already gave up them thats fine with me. But for you to bow down to a negative 100% Knicks hater like TKF who have nothing but hate for the Knicks then thats your problem. But until you take back what you said on this thread there will be a dark cloud on you Bro. Just remember when this team starts winning and you may have a change of heart TKF will still go on hating and hating and hating. That's what he does. Every day every night and every hour. And remember you bowed down to him. What a disgrace.