BRIGGS wrote:Vmart wrote:nixluva wrote:BRIGGS wrote:nixluva wrote:BRIGGS wrote:This will be the end of Bargs in the SL. Kenyon Martin or Aldich will be starting if Chandler is out. Must move Bargs to 6th or 7th man for offense off the bench--he is who he is
Bargs played well with KMart in there. I see no reason they can't play with each other. There's this MYTH that it's Bargs presence that is causing all the problems on D, but just watch Felton and Melo on D and try to pay attention to what they're doing for once and you'll see that they're really making even more mistakes as is Shump when he gambles too much. This is not to say that Bargs isn't making some mistakes but more mistakes are being made by other guys in the SL that are having a bigger impact.
Not to mention the huge issues on offense. Just look at the shooting % for the other players on the team particularly Felton and Melo.
Nope disagree we have 7 pre season and 4 regular season games as a sample were 3-8 and Bargs is terrible for chemistry in unit 1. We could use him off the bench--this line up featuring Bargs in unit 1 is likely done. I have to think Woodson has seen enough--and maybe for Bargs its fair--hes played sparingly for two years now.. Why not 18-22 minutes off the bench in an offensive role?
I think the idea that Bargs is the reason for the poor chemistry is misleading. Felton and Melo aren't playing well and it has nothing to do with Bargnani. Neither Felton nor Melo is shooting well, executing well, defending well... doing nothing well. Bargnani is supposed to be an outlet not the major cog in the SL. He's there to take up the slack scoring the ball and they're not even using him correctly. If Felton and Melo are playing better we wouldn't be talking about Bargnani.
Bargs is one of the best PnP bigs and they don't use him that way. Everyone knows that's his strength. For that matter the offense is a disaster to be honest. The turnovers and missed shots are leading to fast breaks which makes it look much worse for the SL defense. Felton isn't fighting over picks, Melo and Shump keep losing their man on D. How often has Bargnani's man just flat beat him in a man to man situation? People want him to cover for the poor defense of Felton and Melo but he's not a great help defender.
Sure the defense could be better and that would be the only reason to take Bargs out of the starting lineup, but that doesn't solve the issues with Felton and Melo. It's a trap to think that all that matters is taking Bargs out of the starting lineup. He's not even playing starting minutes and still the team is floundering when he's not on the floor.
The answer is gonna be getting JR back in there and Woody living off the ISO plays of Melo and JR rather than running a high performance, high efficiency offense.
This is the problem:
Player G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF TOT APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
Carmelo 4 4 42.0 0.371 0.300 0.885 2.00 7.50 9.50 3.0 2.25 0.50 3.50 2.25 23.8
Felton 4 4 36.5 0.396 0.214 0.889 1.30 2.00 3.30 5.8 2.00 0.75 2.50 2.25 13.3
Iman 4 4 29.3 0.457 0.333 0.923 0.80 3.80 4.50 1.3 1.50 0.25 1.50 3.75 12.3
Metta 4 0 23.0 0.463 0.375 0.750 0.50 3.50 4.00 0.5 1.75 0.50 1.00 2.50 11.8
Andrea 4 3 21.0 0.484 0.333 1.000 0.80 1.30 2.00 0.5 0.50 0.00 2.50 2.00 8.8
Tyson 4 4 26.8 0.600 0.000 0.714 3.80 5.30 9.00 1.3 1.00 2.50 1.75 2.50 7.3
Nixluva, great post this is exactly what I'm seening. We are pointing at the wrong guy Bargs isn't the reason for the poor defense and his poor offensive showing. Woodson runs a stale offense they create absolutely very little easy offense. The team has to work so hard to get its points. There are no cutter, no sets, execution offense is practically non existent.
The Knicks have to think about getting the ball out of Felton and Melo's hand. Get another guard to play with Felton make him play off the ball. I know this is a gimmick offense which won't get the Knicks anywhere in the playoffs but it will get them to the playoffs.
Vmart--no pointing fingers at anyone. Carmelo needs space to start the game--I dont believe the team with Bargs on the floor creates the right space.
With Chandler out we should go to this--counting JR
C-Kenyon
F-CA
F-Metta
G Smith
G Felton
C Bargs
F Shumpert
G Prigioni
G Udirih
9 man thats it. Give Carmelo the space he needs to start both halves and the 2nd unit is a 4-1 with Bargs in the middle. CUT OUT HARDAWAY AND AMARE
I dunno about that. I don't think you shorten it to that point yet -- we're suddenly in crisis mode and need to figure out things some more...That lineup gets destroyed on the glass on a nightly basis too btw. Absolutely DESTROYED -- as in a 20 reb/night disparity minimum...Think about it -- the only rebounder/only source of toughness in that lineup is a 35-year-old K-Mart, a guy they never had any intention of even playing every day. I say one more big minimum, more like 2 -- Aldrich and Amar'e. Aldrich, even though he looked like **** in the pre-season, was a good player in college and a former lottery pick. Out of necessity, he needs to get a sustained look now (at least a week straight, more like 2+) to see if he can channel any of the standout play we saw in college. The Kansas Jayhawk version of Cole Aldrich we can definitely use. Maybe he just played nervous & tight during training camp/pre-season, who knows. Give this kid 2 weeks to see if he can help...If he can't -- cut him. At least give him a shot though for now -- otherwise, why did he make the team? For moments like these, no?
And we need to play Amar'e a little every game. It's gonna take time and it's not gonna look pretty early on at all but he needs to be re-established -- we need to see if we can get this guy back to last year's level before he went down where he was excelling in his role off the bench. I get we'd want to tighten the rotation down eventually to 9 or 10 max but right now, it should 11.
I like Udrih over THJ for now -- let's see if we can get some more efficient offense from Udrih.
And for God's sake, cut C. Smith and import another big. I still like Ike Diogu.
