tkf wrote:

Dagger wrote:

tkf wrote:

Dagger wrote:

Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:You can win a championship with melo if you have the right pg. Melo is the best scorer in the nba so he wont be a 2nd option on no team. A pg like rondo who will do the trick. He has the personality and is definitely a floor general. Theres a short list of pg's in this league that can play with melo..cp3,rondo, kyrie

He is not the best scorer in the league he is the best volume shooter in the league.

Does that mean Tyson Chandler is the best scorer in the league? His FG% is SO high, He's super-de-duper effishunt!

let me ask you this.. durant won 3 of the last 4 scoring titles... and honestly pretty much tied last year for the lead....

do you still consider carmelo the best scorer in the league?

No, but I never said he was...I'd say he's top 3 and I know you don't agree with that.

well you have kobe, lebron, durant... so no, I don't agree... again, objectively look at this...

I am looking at it objectively, and he's better than Kobe at this point in their careers. I said top 3 because I agree Durant and Lebron are better.

I think you have the word "objective" confused with "tkf's viewpoint". I promise the two are not the same thing. My opinion that Melo was better than Kobe last year can be backed up by facts, but I accept it's still an opinion. You seem to think everything you say is a fact.

Dolan is the guy nobody wants to play for around the league.

boston has no problem tanking for a #1 pick and a reset,

and we do! why can't we just tank a year of good drafts?

IronWillGiroud wrote:it's funny that boston, a franchise with more chips that we can dream of in the wildest dreams we have at night,

boston has no problem tanking for a #1 pick and a reset,

and we do! why can't we just tank a year of good drafts?

We had yrs to do that under Layden, Isiah and Walsh but we are so inept we can't even lose properly

Dagger wrote:

tkf wrote:

Dagger wrote:

tkf wrote:

Dagger wrote:

Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:You can win a championship with melo if you have the right pg. Melo is the best scorer in the nba so he wont be a 2nd option on no team. A pg like rondo who will do the trick. He has the personality and is definitely a floor general. Theres a short list of pg's in this league that can play with melo..cp3,rondo, kyrie

He is not the best scorer in the league he is the best volume shooter in the league.

Does that mean Tyson Chandler is the best scorer in the league? His FG% is SO high, He's super-de-duper effishunt!

let me ask you this.. durant won 3 of the last 4 scoring titles... and honestly pretty much tied last year for the lead....

do you still consider carmelo the best scorer in the league?

No, but I never said he was...I'd say he's top 3 and I know you don't agree with that.

well you have kobe, lebron, durant... so no, I don't agree... again, objectively look at this...

I am looking at it objectively, and he's better than Kobe at this point in their careers. I said top 3 because I agree Durant and Lebron are better.

I think you have the word "objective" confused with "tkf's viewpoint". I promise the two are not the same thing. My opinion that Melo was better than Kobe last year can be backed up by facts, but I accept it's still an opinion. You seem to think everything you say is a fact.

so what you are saying is that best scorer is a year to year thing.. you see you are too involved with getting after "tkf" that you completely muddle your own arguments..

So you say that carmelo was better than kobe last year? but what does that have to do with the statement of him being the best scorer in the league? I heard that crap around here the years durant was running away with the scoring title...

so what criteria are you using.. for me, I am using more than just a year, the same way I do with MVP voting.. if you are consistently top 5 players in scoring every year, i consider you to be one of the best scorers..

But lets keep it real.. lets start back in 2005, kobe has never finished out side of the top 5 scorers. carmelo has.. 3 times! kobe also won two scoring titles, finished second twice, and even last year finished a close 3rd and had he not gotten hurt, who knows...

Those are the numbers.. Kobe is still a better scorer bro...

IronWillGiroud wrote:it's funny that boston, a franchise with more chips that we can dream of in the wildest dreams we have at night,

boston has no problem tanking for a #1 pick and a reset,

and we do! why can't we just tank a year of good drafts?

didn't you know, we are NY baby, we are supposed to win!!!!

And I am not even saying tank, but just build the right way.. do that every year, go about your business in a professional, methodical way and you will yield good results at some point.. winning is a process, one in which the knicks refuse to adhere to, instead we thumb our nose up at it, grab on to the latest piece of fools gold, and laugh at the league as if we are onto something they are not..

ShellTopAdidas wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

ShellTopAdidas wrote:

Vmart wrote:Barkley, Shaquille, and Smith just said what we all have been saying. Now that the experts have spoken I hope people realize Melo isn't worth max contract. An inefficient player, with very limited passing ability. There is a reason why people don't want to play along side Melo. He can't play in any other system but this kind of system. He loves "Hero Ball" and probably the most content talented player in the league. Shaq said it best why do you always want to be mentioned after LeBron. Melo is the most content player I have ever seen this guy just doesn't want to get better at anything he is content with his fugazy scoring title 44% that isn't a superstar.

What Barkley, Shaq and Smith said is a wake up call to Melo fans and to Melo. I'm a fan of Melo who thinks he has it in him to be the best player in the league, if he doesn't up his FG% he can never be considered in the conversation with the best scoring title or not. Take less shots get teammates involved increase the assist level. Win your teammates keep them in the flow of the game fight the Hero Ball approach become a willing passer. These are the thing great players do.

+1 Excellent post!!!! Scoring titles get you a bigger payday, not championships which I believe Melo is ok with.

you think melo would have a title if he were playing with a healthy Amare and cp3..Like I said before LBJ is good, but take a look at who he's playing with. maybe people forget that he is playing with 2 other all stars.

I like melo and obviously think he should avg more assist, but don't say he plays hero ball all the time and then see JR bricking shot after shot, or say felton is shooting too much, or tyson needs a more of an offensive game, or melo needs a 2nd scorer, or we have no pg that gets in the paint on a regular.

I don't complain about Felton or JR taking shots if their open. If you got the shot, take it. Now if your ice cold like JR was in the playoffs, you might wanna peal back a little. My issue is, Melo will be triple covered and won't pass it to te open man, let alone play ball movement basketball. That's not his style. It's good for regular season games against subpar teams, may be good enough to get you an Atlantic Division title, but once you go 7 games with the big dogs, it gets shut down, REAL QUICK! I've seen enough to know if he doesn't change his way of playing and get more players involved, once we run into the likes of the Nets, Pacers, Bulls, or Heat, we going home early again this year. Wash, rinse, repeat!

classic example.. wade and lebron combine for 30 points last night, yet the heat scored well over 100 points..

I bet if you ask each knicks fan to a man, do they think norris cole, shane battier, chris bosh, haslem, chalmers, are better than the knick cast, they would argue up and down that they are not..

so it gets back to my point and maybe yours.... share the ball, move the ball, play defense... As a player your goal should be to play for the best possible scoring situation on offense and sometimes that may not include you shooting the ball.. carmelo doesn't get it... the heat manage to score with the cast they have outside of lebron and wade, are knicks fans saying we can't do the same?

tkf wrote:

ShellTopAdidas wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

ShellTopAdidas wrote:

Vmart wrote:Barkley, Shaquille, and Smith just said what we all have been saying. Now that the experts have spoken I hope people realize Melo isn't worth max contract. An inefficient player, with very limited passing ability. There is a reason why people don't want to play along side Melo. He can't play in any other system but this kind of system. He loves "Hero Ball" and probably the most content talented player in the league. Shaq said it best why do you always want to be mentioned after LeBron. Melo is the most content player I have ever seen this guy just doesn't want to get better at anything he is content with his fugazy scoring title 44% that isn't a superstar.

What Barkley, Shaq and Smith said is a wake up call to Melo fans and to Melo. I'm a fan of Melo who thinks he has it in him to be the best player in the league, if he doesn't up his FG% he can never be considered in the conversation with the best scoring title or not. Take less shots get teammates involved increase the assist level. Win your teammates keep them in the flow of the game fight the Hero Ball approach become a willing passer. These are the thing great players do.

+1 Excellent post!!!! Scoring titles get you a bigger payday, not championships which I believe Melo is ok with.

you think melo would have a title if he were playing with a healthy Amare and cp3..Like I said before LBJ is good, but take a look at who he's playing with. maybe people forget that he is playing with 2 other all stars.

I like melo and obviously think he should avg more assist, but don't say he plays hero ball all the time and then see JR bricking shot after shot, or say felton is shooting too much, or tyson needs a more of an offensive game, or melo needs a 2nd scorer, or we have no pg that gets in the paint on a regular.

I don't complain about Felton or JR taking shots if their open. If you got the shot, take it. Now if your ice cold like JR was in the playoffs, you might wanna peal back a little. My issue is, Melo will be triple covered and won't pass it to te open man, let alone play ball movement basketball. That's not his style. It's good for regular season games against subpar teams, may be good enough to get you an Atlantic Division title, but once you go 7 games with the big dogs, it gets shut down, REAL QUICK! I've seen enough to know if he doesn't change his way of playing and get more players involved, once we run into the likes of the Nets, Pacers, Bulls, or Heat, we going home early again this year. Wash, rinse, repeat!

classic example.. wade and lebron combine for 30 points last night, yet the heat scored well over 100 points..

I bet if you ask each knicks fan to a man, do they think norris cole, shane battier, chris bosh, haslem, chalmers, are better than the knick cast, they would argue up and down that they are not..

so it gets back to my point and maybe yours.... share the ball, move the ball, play defense... As a player your goal should be to play for the best possible scoring situation on offense and sometimes that may not include you shooting the ball.. carmelo doesn't get it... the heat manage to score with the cast they have outside of lebron and wade, are knicks fans saying we can't do the same?

EXCACTLY!!!! And the frustrating thing about it is Melo CAN be that type of player, he just chooses not to. He would rather drop 35-40 a night while shooting 25% from the field. I'm sorry but that some BULLSH****!!! If you getting max money, you gotta make others around you better. Some Knick fans are ok with his game cause in the regular season, it is effective and we were in the basement for so long....me, getting bounced in the first or second round of the playoffs isn't good enough.

ShellTopAdidas wrote:

tkf wrote:

ShellTopAdidas wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

ShellTopAdidas wrote:

Vmart wrote:Barkley, Shaquille, and Smith just said what we all have been saying. Now that the experts have spoken I hope people realize Melo isn't worth max contract. An inefficient player, with very limited passing ability. There is a reason why people don't want to play along side Melo. He can't play in any other system but this kind of system. He loves "Hero Ball" and probably the most content talented player in the league. Shaq said it best why do you always want to be mentioned after LeBron. Melo is the most content player I have ever seen this guy just doesn't want to get better at anything he is content with his fugazy scoring title 44% that isn't a superstar.

What Barkley, Shaq and Smith said is a wake up call to Melo fans and to Melo. I'm a fan of Melo who thinks he has it in him to be the best player in the league, if he doesn't up his FG% he can never be considered in the conversation with the best scoring title or not. Take less shots get teammates involved increase the assist level. Win your teammates keep them in the flow of the game fight the Hero Ball approach become a willing passer. These are the thing great players do.

+1 Excellent post!!!! Scoring titles get you a bigger payday, not championships which I believe Melo is ok with.

you think melo would have a title if he were playing with a healthy Amare and cp3..Like I said before LBJ is good, but take a look at who he's playing with. maybe people forget that he is playing with 2 other all stars.

I like melo and obviously think he should avg more assist, but don't say he plays hero ball all the time and then see JR bricking shot after shot, or say felton is shooting too much, or tyson needs a more of an offensive game, or melo needs a 2nd scorer, or we have no pg that gets in the paint on a regular.

I don't complain about Felton or JR taking shots if their open. If you got the shot, take it. Now if your ice cold like JR was in the playoffs, you might wanna peal back a little. My issue is, Melo will be triple covered and won't pass it to te open man, let alone play ball movement basketball. That's not his style. It's good for regular season games against subpar teams, may be good enough to get you an Atlantic Division title, but once you go 7 games with the big dogs, it gets shut down, REAL QUICK! I've seen enough to know if he doesn't change his way of playing and get more players involved, once we run into the likes of the Nets, Pacers, Bulls, or Heat, we going home early again this year. Wash, rinse, repeat!

classic example.. wade and lebron combine for 30 points last night, yet the heat scored well over 100 points..

I bet if you ask each knicks fan to a man, do they think norris cole, shane battier, chris bosh, haslem, chalmers, are better than the knick cast, they would argue up and down that they are not..

so it gets back to my point and maybe yours.... share the ball, move the ball, play defense... As a player your goal should be to play for the best possible scoring situation on offense and sometimes that may not include you shooting the ball.. carmelo doesn't get it... the heat manage to score with the cast they have outside of lebron and wade, are knicks fans saying we can't do the same?

EXCACTLY!!!! And the frustrating thing about it is Melo CAN be that type of player, he just chooses not to. He would rather drop 35-40 a night while shooting 25% from the field. I'm sorry but that some BULLSH****!!! If you getting max money, you gotta make others around you better. Some Knick fans are ok with his game cause in the regular season, it is effective and we were in the basement for so long....me, getting bounced in the first or second round of the playoffs isn't good enough.

the problem is simple: people who love melo's game dismiss the idea of being able to make others better, just as they look at regular-season records and first round appearances as validation.

lots a folks are going to see the light this season... clock is ticking.

Our PGs are so lame we need to play two at a time. Our #2 scorer makes Jamal Crawford look selective and shot like 30% in the playoffs. I actually find that shocking because I dont actually remember JR hitting *ANY* shots. Our center has no offensive game whatsoever and when he tries to hit that 12 foot open jumper Im actually embarassed for him.

But yea.. despite leading his team to most wins in a decade, advancing for the first time in a decade, winning a scoring title, all star, 3rd in MVP voting equalling Kobe+CP3s (not the same as finishing 13th say) Melo is regarded as not being able to stand on his own merits.

I look at the Knick roster last year and its terrible. One might say we had depth, others might realize we desperately needed bigtime stretches from guys like Kidd, KMart etc to continue winning because its a pretty bad team after Melo.

I hope like hell Artest stays healthy... he could really be a huge pickup for us