IronWillGiroud wrote:

Rookie wrote:Would like to see Melo back at 4 with MWP at the 3. Would also like to see Bargs at the 3 with Stat at the 4 in the second unit. Second unit should play zone D.

stat will never again play a meaningful role for this or any other team in the universe

Yeah, well hopefully they get that Tyler kid back on the team when he's healed up. I think he is only going to improve.

Rookie wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Rookie wrote:Would like to see Melo back at 4 with MWP at the 3. Would also like to see Bargs at the 3 with Stat at the 4 in the second unit. Second unit should play zone D.

stat will never again play a meaningful role for this or any other team in the universe

Yeah, well hopefully they get that Tyler kid back on the team when he's healed up. I think he is only going to improve.

tyler is the TRUTH,

did you see that youtube someone posted here?

he's got the J, he's got the air, he's got the strength, he has the technical ability,

just needs some burn!!!

In my opinion, a SF like a young Marion or Odom would be ideal, a player with versatility on both ends, good athleticism, great DEF both in 1v1 DEF and team DEF that can defend 3-4 positions from PG to PF,be a good Rebounder, a solid handle with the abilty to post up or/and the ability to pentrate and finish off the dribble, can hit a wide open 3pter, and is willing to do all the dirty work
In the league now I would say Battum, Chandler Parsons, Iggy, Deng, Matt Barnes, Kawaii Leanord

maybe Wilson Chandler, Rudy Gay, Tobias Harris

Poor cheap options include Shawne Williams, Caron Butler, Jared Dudley, James Johnson, Ariza...
Brandon Rush is another SG/SF that is similar and somewhere inbetween JR/Iman with more length and plays bigger than their size with their length

Of course, Lebron, Durant, Paul George would be the best options

Instead we have SGs playing SF with Iman, JR, Hardaway JR, which give up too much size vs the better talented, versatile SFs with G and skillsets and the size/strength/length of PFs

And MWP, who likely would follow the paths like Kidd, Wallace, Kurt Thomas, breaking down with their age and will struggle when they cannot hit their 3pters

As for a stretch 4, Kevin Love, Dirk, at least Alridge who isnt a great 3pt shooter but can hit some and hit everything just inside of it

Someone like Ryan Anderson, just isnt good enough on DEF, Rebounding, and lacks shot blocking ability but would be great on Offense

Cheaper options include Byron Mullens, Spencer Hawes, Anderson, Chris Copeland, Kleiza
But they can range from vet minish to about 10m per year

Thing is, are we looking for solid role players, cost and efficent players, or an All Star to pair with Melo

If we are looking for Stars, are we still looking for Melo to be our # 1 or be a # 2 option
If he wants a star, it would have to come out of his salary if he stays in NYK, building around Melo at over 15m is absurd

At his age, for his next contract, with our cap space and the way the CBA is structured with our lack of picks, 12m is a very fair salary, so we can still build a team around Melo
But if he does in fact opt out this summer, he wont be looking to decrease his 23m salary

If he gets a max extension, from 20-30m, we are doomed for the next 10 years
He simply isnt worth that type of money/contract...

I would rather have him walk like letting Lin walking away for nothing but we didnt trade the farm to aquire him and continued to trade more picks to build around him by continued overpaying to be fake contenders

Would rather try to find a better bang for the buck, including players like Rudy Gay, Bynum, Monta Ellis, Dragic, Gasols, Hibbert, some of which would not get long term guaranteed deals like Bynum
Some wouls have to take less than their market value to be a top option to prove their value

Bonn1997 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Papabear wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:So I guess Melo rebound rate as a small forward is lower than other sfs? His assist rate as an SF must be lower too as well as all the other things.

So how about the statisticians do a little work and post the numbers compared to SFs and PFs. To back up their claims to put the discussion to semi-rest.

bonn likely has those stats. i can tell you right now that his assist rate is nothing to brag about.

Melo is a good rebounder as a small forward, usually he was near the top in that.

But as a 4, he was obviously not as good....he hadnt posted 6 boards in the playoffs since he was a kid, but that could have been injury related.

But 6 rebounds isnt cutting it for a power forward, thats a liability.

I'm sorry but what do you mean? He has not posted 6 boards in the playoffs as a 4 or he hasn't posted below 6 boards since he was a kid. I can go look it up but I just wanted clarification.

he's only played the 4 in the playoff once, so i'm not talking about that....I'm talking 6 total.

Doing a quick look I see he posted 7 or more boards 7 times last year, had just 6 rebs twice and under 6 rebs in 3 games.

Papabear Says

Melo plays and rebounds at the 4 and at the 3 when you see 4s getting high rebounds they are not making as many shots as Melo. You only hear Melo's stats criticized by the Sean Hannity of this forum and we all know who he is the one who says things and give misleading figures.

sorry to disturb your basketball fantasy world, papabear... your boy may be making more shots but that is leaving out the fact that he is taking more shots too-- way too many shots for his team's own good.

he took 25 shots a game in the pacer series. david west took 11.8 shots, paul george took 16.5 shots.

that is one player taking 25 shots per game and two players taking a combined total of 28.3 shots per game.

additionally, while west shot 53%TS and george 50%TS-- which are not good numbers, anthony shot 51%TS, which for a so-called elite scorer is straight up terrible.

i am not sure if you understand the ramifications, so i will spell it out for you: one player taking 25 shots on his team undermines that team's ability to win, especially when no matter how you slice it he does so inefficiently.

I was trying to figure out who the Sean Hannity was. I assumed it was me but it could be you, TKF, or even Fish

it doesn't matter. i just happened to read his note because i was not logged in and it shows all the posts until you do. fox news people are conservative and old-fashioned. they want the rich to keep getting richer and take a bigger slice of the pie even if it means destroying the fabric of this society. it should remind you of what carmelo anthony prefers. they share a vision.

isn't it ironic that papabear said what he did, then?

Rookie wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Rookie wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Rookie wrote:Would like to see Melo back at 4 with MWP at the 3. Would also like to see Bargs at the 3 with Stat at the 4 in the second unit. Second unit should play zone D.

stat will never again play a meaningful role for this or any other team in the universe

Yeah, well hopefully they get that Tyler kid back on the team when he's healed up. I think he is only going to improve.

tyler is the TRUTH,

did you see that youtube someone posted here?

he's got the J, he's got the air, he's got the strength, he has the technical ability,

just needs some burn!!!

Looks like GS has Tyler's D-league rights. Hopefully Stat can hold up till December

Knicks trying to get Jeremy Tyler’s D-League rights
Injured center Jeremy Tyler, cut controversially by the Knicks Friday to make room for J.R. Smith’s brother, Chris Smith, is still rehabbing at the Knicks’ Westchester training facility as the club engages Golden State in talks to obtain his D-League rights, The Post has learned.

The 6-10 Tyler, who had surgery to repair a stress fracture in his left foot in early September, is not expected to be able to play until December. The Knicks are hoping when he gets healthy, the Las Vegas summer-league sensation can play for the Knicks’ D-League affiliate, Erie, then possibly be re-signed if his foot hasn’t hampered him.

But Tyler’s rights are owned by the Warriors’ affiliate, Santa Cruz. The Knicks and Warriors have to work out a deal to transfer Tyler’s rights. If they don’t, Tyler cannot continue to rehab with the Knicks and would have to play in Santa Cruz if he signs a D-League deal.

The Knicks can still re-sign Tyler in December if he’s playing for Santa Cruz, but they prefer to keep tabs on him closer to home and in their D-League system. Tyler has already made $200,000 from the Knicks because his deal was partially guaranteed.

Weve been pretty decent business partners with GS--Id have to think theyd give us an easy time with a player we have invested in. Its horrible we had to stick him out on the branch like this--even though he was paid. 6-10 260 pd players to not come by often with his skill.

Vmart wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Rookie wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Rookie wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Rookie wrote:Would like to see Melo back at 4 with MWP at the 3. Would also like to see Bargs at the 3 with Stat at the 4 in the second unit. Second unit should play zone D.

stat will never again play a meaningful role for this or any other team in the universe

Yeah, well hopefully they get that Tyler kid back on the team when he's healed up. I think he is only going to improve.

tyler is the TRUTH,

did you see that youtube someone posted here?

he's got the J, he's got the air, he's got the strength, he has the technical ability,

just needs some burn!!!

Looks like GS has Tyler's D-league rights. Hopefully Stat can hold up till December

Knicks trying to get Jeremy Tyler’s D-League rights
Injured center Jeremy Tyler, cut controversially by the Knicks Friday to make room for J.R. Smith’s brother, Chris Smith, is still rehabbing at the Knicks’ Westchester training facility as the club engages Golden State in talks to obtain his D-League rights, The Post has learned.

The 6-10 Tyler, who had surgery to repair a stress fracture in his left foot in early September, is not expected to be able to play until December. The Knicks are hoping when he gets healthy, the Las Vegas summer-league sensation can play for the Knicks’ D-League affiliate, Erie, then possibly be re-signed if his foot hasn’t hampered him.

But Tyler’s rights are owned by the Warriors’ affiliate, Santa Cruz. The Knicks and Warriors have to work out a deal to transfer Tyler’s rights. If they don’t, Tyler cannot continue to rehab with the Knicks and would have to play in Santa Cruz if he signs a D-League deal.

The Knicks can still re-sign Tyler in December if he’s playing for Santa Cruz, but they prefer to keep tabs on him closer to home and in their D-League system. Tyler has already made $200,000 from the Knicks because his deal was partially guaranteed.

Weve been pretty decent business partners with GS--Id have to think theyd give us an easy time with a player we have invested in. Its horrible we had to stick him out on the branch like this--even though he was paid. 6-10 260 pd players to not come by often with his skill.

Easy time usually means Knicks dishing out some picks.

how did we hang him out to dry on a tree branch?