i mean and i wrong for being concerned about his lack of effort and motivation in the past? thats my ONLY concern with him..his mindset, not his skills. i DONT think that should be overlooked

callmened wrote:i think we got bargnani because he can add scoring punch. whether thats on the bench or as a starter depends on HIM and his refocused attitude. i was never a fan of AB but i liked the trade only cuz we can get rid of him and his overpaid contract in 2015. (instead of hanging onto novak and camby til 2016). its hard for me to forget how lazy (his words) and unmotivated he was. i know hes gifted offensively but to me he MUST prove that he'll at least TRY on defense and rebounding before sticking him in the lineup

i mean and i wrong for being concerned about his lack of effort and motivation in the past? thats my ONLY concern with him..his mindset, not his skills. i DONT think that should be overlooked

I see that you've stated this concern multiple times here but I don't think we have to worry about that. Even his Italian Team Coach said that he's seen a new resolve in Bargnani. This is someone who has known him for years and can make a real evaluation of his growth.

“I think he’s more mature,” Team Italy’s associate coach Mario Fioretti told The Post. “He knows better how we need to play at a certain level for European basketball. He’s more aware of what he needs to do and is more wise. He’s more helpful this summer than that last summer [2011], is my feeling.’’

“I am 100 percent sure next year is going to be his year,’’ Fioretti said. “He’s so happy about his new situation. He’s really happy to be in New York. Not anything against Toronto. The expectations are still there. He’s ready to take the challenge.”

Fioretti is more concerned with how Bargnani looks Sept. 4 when the European Championships commence in Slovenia. In the last European Championships, in 2011, Italy was bounced out in the first round and Bargnani wasn’t in the best shape.

“He was serious two years ago, but didn’t realize how hard it was to play at this level in Europe — now he realizes,’’ Fioretti said. “He really knows what we need from him, how he can be helpful on the floor. He got more aware in creating ball movement, player movement, being quicker setting picks, rolling, popping outside. I don’t think he was as good [in 2011].’’

Bargnani is coming off his worst NBA season, reduced to 35 games because of a torn ligament in his right elbow and becoming the scapegoat for the fans. But the former No. 1 overall pick still has a 15.2-point career scoring average, and is a certifiable inside-outside threat.

“My feeling is he already is an NBA star, he needed a different situation,” said Fioretti, a longtime coach for Olympio Milano. “The only thing he needs is a club where he can express himself.”

“It’s 100 percent it will help him for next year,’’ Fioretti said. “I think he came in in shape and put himself in position to take this challenge.”

A Toronto source said one of Bargnani’s problems is he is not a good locker-room guy and can be aloof with teammates.

“He’s a quiet guy, but my feelings is he’s going harder in practices and is a leader by example,” Fioretti said. “Sometimes leader are loud, sometimes a leader works hard. You don’t have to always be the loud guy to carry the load.”

This is a new chance for Bargnani to prove he can play up to his potential in the NBA. This is a great spot for AB to shine. He's not alone on this team, but instead is surrounded with veteran talent and players who want to win and help him get going. I think being on a winning team again will motivate him as well. It's only natural that being on a playoff team with another All Star will have a positive effect on his attitude as opposed to losing in Toronto.

callmened wrote:http://network.yardbarker.com/author/article_external/14553814?headline=new_york_knicks_individual_player_breakdown_andrea_bargnani&sport_name=nba

Simply put, after the 2013-2014 NBA season Bargnani has a player option, so assuming he doesn’t like being in New York, he will likely opt out the Knicks could be cleared $10 million dollars off the cap. If the experiment works and he meshes well on the court, he has the player option to be back next season for a $11.5 million dollar player option. Either way this will turn out to be a low-risk, high-reward type of move for the Knicks, considering they only gave up Steve Novak, Marcus Camby and Quentin Richardson. The only part of the trade that didn’t make sense for the Knicks was the three future draft picks. The only way this move could burn the Knicks badly is if Bargnani has another injury ridden season and then takes his player option just for a payday, in which case the Knicks could look to trade him as an expiring contract.

When Bargs was traded here, it came with a 5% kicker...he doesnt make 10 mil this season...he makes 11.8, but that's minor.

Why on earth would a player opt OUT of a contract if they sucked that year?

Then here comes even more contradiction....

Bargnani’s ability to stretch the floor at the center position or shoot over most power forwards probably has head coach Mike Woodson drooling.

With a career average on 4.8 rebounds, it’s safe to say that Bargnani will not be helping out Tyson Chandler in the regard this season. Bargnani doesn’t box out and fight for rebounds, which is inexcusable considering rebounding is more about effort than skill. Coach Woodson will quickly bench Bargnani if the effort isn’t there defensively either.

I dont think the writer really knows Woodson well enough...Woody is not playing anyone up front that doesnt give an effort to rebound or defend, so he wont be drooling over a center that can shoot from deep.

I wont even address the 3rd and 4th option much it makes no logical sense a 4th option player would be a major contributor, and if assuming bargnani is 3rd or fourth...who's second?

The writer makes it clear he isnt sure of what he wrote and likely got it from other writers as he doesnt know either subject he's writing about.

But one thing that is for certain, he wont be playing if he does nothing but try to score.....he will have to reinvent himself to get minutes.

Woody is on a short leash, and doesnt have the time to play around with this.

knickscity wrote:

callmened wrote:http://network.yardbarker.com/author/article_external/14553814?headline=new_york_knicks_individual_player_breakdown_andrea_bargnani&sport_name=nba

The writer seems to not know much about what he is talking about....

Simply put, after the 2013-2014 NBA season Bargnani has a player option, so assuming he doesn’t like being in New York, he will likely opt out the Knicks could be cleared $10 million dollars off the cap. If the experiment works and he meshes well on the court, he has the player option to be back next season for a $11.5 million dollar player option. Either way this will turn out to be a low-risk, high-reward type of move for the Knicks, considering they only gave up Steve Novak, Marcus Camby and Quentin Richardson. The only part of the trade that didn’t make sense for the Knicks was the three future draft picks. The only way this move could burn the Knicks badly is if Bargnani has another injury ridden season and then takes his player option just for a payday, in which case the Knicks could look to trade him as an expiring contract.

When Bargs was traded here, it came with a 5% kicker...he doesnt make 10 mil this season...he makes 11.8, but that's minor.

Why on earth would a player opt OUT of a contract if they sucked that year?

Then here comes even more contradiction....

Bargnani’s ability to stretch the floor at the center position or shoot over most power forwards probably has head coach Mike Woodson drooling.

With a career average on 4.8 rebounds, it’s safe to say that Bargnani will not be helping out Tyson Chandler in the regard this season. Bargnani doesn’t box out and fight for rebounds, which is inexcusable considering rebounding is more about effort than skill. Coach Woodson will quickly bench Bargnani if the effort isn’t there defensively either.

I dont think the writer really knows Woodson well enough...Woody is not playing anyone up front that doesnt give an effort to rebound or defend, so he wont be drooling over a center that can shoot from deep.

I wont even address the 3rd and 4th option much it makes no logical sense a 4th option player would be a major contributor, and if assuming bargnani is 3rd or fourth...who's second?

The writer makes it clear he isnt sure of what he wrote and likely got it from other writers as he doesnt know either subject he's writing about.

But one thing that is for certain, he wont be playing if he does nothing but try to score.....he will have to reinvent himself to get minutes.

Woody is on a short leash, and doesnt have the time to play around with this.

+1

That's just the thing I can't get past, I can take anybody seriously who defends his game because you know you all thought he was garbage when he was wearing a Raptors uniform.

I hope it works out for us but I need to see it on the court and no amount of cherry picked videos and quotes will sell me until the games begin

azamatbagatov wrote:I bet anything a lot of the guys here singing Bargnani's praises now would not be saying the same things about his game if he happened to get traded to Brooklyn a couple of months ago.

That's just the thing I can't get past, I can take anybody seriously who defends his game because you know you all thought he was garbage when he was wearing a Raptors uniform.

I hope it works out for us but I need to see it on the court and no amount of cherry picked videos and quotes will sell me until the games begin

Actually I never did think Bargnani was garbage. I accepted him for what he was and if he did go to the Nets I do agree that I wouldn't be looking at all the positives of how he could work out well for the Nets, since i'm not a Nets fan, but that doesn't mean I would be trashing him, just like I haven't trashed AK47. I just think for THIS TEAM AB fits into a role that can help this team play better. AB isn't coming here to be the franchise. He's here to add to the mix.

Since AB isn't here to carry the Knicks it's a different scenario altogether. When everyone is looking at you to be the franchise as opposed to just being a part of the core of the team. This is a good spot for AB to succeed minus the extra pressure. The quotes I posted was to at least give everyone a sense of where AB is at mentally. The positive comments are a good sign for us that AB is motivated by being here which is what you want to hear. Suppose he was depressed by coming here and not happy about the trade, which does happen with some players when they're traded. Instead we read that he came to the Eurobasket camp in great shape and had a great attitude and was playing better. How can we read that as anything but a great development?

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:I bet anything a lot of the guys here singing Bargnani's praises now would not be saying the same things about his game if he happened to get traded to Brooklyn a couple of months ago.

That's just the thing I can't get past, I can take anybody seriously who defends his game because you know you all thought he was garbage when he was wearing a Raptors uniform.

I hope it works out for us but I need to see it on the court and no amount of cherry picked videos and quotes will sell me until the games begin

Actually I never did think Bargnani was garbage. I accepted him for what he was and if he did go to the Nets I do agree that I wouldn't be looking at all the positives of how he could work out well for the Nets, since i'm not a Nets fan, but that doesn't mean I would be trashing him, just like I haven't trashed AK47. I just think for THIS TEAM AB fits into a role that can help this team play better. AB isn't coming here to be the franchise. He's here to add to the mix.

Since AB isn't here to carry the Knicks it's a different scenario altogether. When everyone is looking at you to be the franchise as opposed to just being a part of the core of the team. This is a good spot for AB to succeed minus the extra pressure. The quotes I posted was to at least give everyone a sense of where AB is at mentally. The positive comments are a good sign for us that AB is motivated by being here which is what you want to hear. Suppose he was depressed by coming here and not happy about the trade, which does happen with some players when they're traded. Instead we read that he came to the Eurobasket camp in great shape and had a great attitude and was playing better. How can we read that as anything but a great development?

Bargnani is coming into the pressure of his life.

Leading the Raptors is nowhere close to performing in front of MSG on a team that believes they can win a title.

This guy is gonna be on national TV for almost half of the season.

He doesnt perform....his career is OVER, he didnt face that at all in Toronto.

But of course if he isnt defending or rebounding with any form of care....he wont be playing.

In your opinion he'll have more pressure here in NY but I think it's just different when the expectation is that you're going to be THE GUY for a franchise. The idea that he's gonna fold due to being on TV is stupid. All AB has to do is play BB. Something he's extremely gifted at doing. He was injured last year. He's healthy now. He's happy and motivated now. All he has to do is play like he has most of his career and he'll find success here. Teams won't be able to stop him because the focus will be on Melo. Then if AB starts stroking it, that will make things easier on everyone else. It's a chain reaction.

Why do we have to pretend the dude is Brad Lohas?

Gtfoh with that. How could you call yourself a fan when you live to complain in these forums?

Its a wait and see thing but it's already documented that he can average 18-21 points per in this league. He can score when healthy and motivated. Why can't he be that here? Granted we are a better team than Toronto but we could expect solid play from this dude... he helps this team Alot. We did not have a talent like him before. It's a plus. ..... no negatives to be found.

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nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:I bet anything a lot of the guys here singing Bargnani's praises now would not be saying the same things about his game if he happened to get traded to Brooklyn a couple of months ago.

That's just the thing I can't get past, I can take anybody seriously who defends his game because you know you all thought he was garbage when he was wearing a Raptors uniform.

I hope it works out for us but I need to see it on the court and no amount of cherry picked videos and quotes will sell me until the games begin

Actually I never did think Bargnani was garbage. I accepted him for what he was and if he did go to the Nets I do agree that I wouldn't be looking at all the positives of how he could work out well for the Nets, since i'm not a Nets fan, but that doesn't mean I would be trashing him, just like I haven't trashed AK47. I just think for THIS TEAM AB fits into a role that can help this team play better. AB isn't coming here to be the franchise. He's here to add to the mix.

Since AB isn't here to carry the Knicks it's a different scenario altogether. When everyone is looking at you to be the franchise as opposed to just being a part of the core of the team. This is a good spot for AB to succeed minus the extra pressure. The quotes I posted was to at least give everyone a sense of where AB is at mentally. The positive comments are a good sign for us that AB is motivated by being here which is what you want to hear. Suppose he was depressed by coming here and not happy about the trade, which does happen with some players when they're traded. Instead we read that he came to the Eurobasket camp in great shape and had a great attitude and was playing better. How can we read that as anything but a great development?

Bargnani is coming into the pressure of his life.

Leading the Raptors is nowhere close to performing in front of MSG on a team that believes they can win a title.

This guy is gonna be on national TV for almost half of the season.

He doesnt perform....his career is OVER, he didnt face that at all in Toronto.

But of course if he isnt defending or rebounding with any form of care....he wont be playing.

In your opinion he'll have more pressure here in NY but I think it's just different when the expectation is that you're going to be THE GUY for a franchise. The idea that he's gonna fold due to being on TV is stupid. All AB has to do is play BB. Something he's extremely gifted at doing. He was injured last year. He's healthy now. He's happy and motivated now. All he has to do is play like he has most of his career and he'll find success here. Teams won't be able to stop him because the focus will be on Melo. Then if AB starts stroking it, that will make things easier on everyone else. It's a chain reaction.

knickscity wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

knickscity wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:I bet anything a lot of the guys here singing Bargnani's praises now would not be saying the same things about his game if he happened to get traded to Brooklyn a couple of months ago.

That's just the thing I can't get past, I can take anybody seriously who defends his game because you know you all thought he was garbage when he was wearing a Raptors uniform.

I hope it works out for us but I need to see it on the court and no amount of cherry picked videos and quotes will sell me until the games begin

Spot on brother, spot on.

Truth is is he got traded to the Bulls, clippers, Celtics, Brooklyn or another contender the basketball world would have been singing praises.

It's Cuz the Knicks got him that there are so many know it alls that can't read in these forums....

Btw how much more can you guys go back and forth saying the same things over and over. Can't wait till training camp!!!

Personally I dont see why you're commenting on my post...you're adding nothing but a weak attempt to attack.

It aint working...might as well drop it....I guess you're still upset over that lame assessment you posted the other day.

the statement still remains...grow a pair.

That's cool *****. I got a long memory.

knickscity" wrote:

knickscity wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

knickscity wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:I bet anything a lot of the guys here singing Bargnani's praises now would not be saying the same things about his game if he happened to get traded to Brooklyn a couple of months ago.

That's just the thing I can't get past, I can take anybody seriously who defends his game because you know you all thought he was garbage when he was wearing a Raptors uniform.

I hope it works out for us but I need to see it on the court and no amount of cherry picked videos and quotes will sell me until the games begin

Spot on brother, spot on.

Truth is is he got traded to the Bulls, clippers, Celtics, Brooklyn or another contender the basketball world would have been singing praises.

It's Cuz the Knicks got him that there are so many know it alls that can't read in these forums....

Btw how much more can you guys go back and forth saying the same things over and over. Can't wait till training camp!!!

Personally I dont see why you're commenting on my post...you're adding nothing but a weak attempt to attack.

It aint working...might as well drop it....I guess you're still upset over that lame assessment you posted the other day.

the statement still remains...grow a pair.

That's cool *****. I got a long memory.

Cant debate or express yourself, so you call me the name that belongs to your moms.

No debating. Conversation is over.