DurzoBlint wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:What are you talking about. I never said anything about a 4year deal or any sort of deal. I said (to paraphrase) it was weak of you to use his camp with the kiddies to push your agenda. It was the camp with the kiddies where JR said New York would win it all. You said he was a fool for making such a guarantee. THAT WAS WHAT I WROTE.

From that you somehow concluded I was ok with him smoking weed and now this stuff about a 4year deal, WTF man stop skimming bits and pieces and read all of a post before responding. It would avoid awkward moments like this this with posts going back and forth as it needlessly.

You have a short memory. The last time we had a discussion about JR was when the first report about him getting a 4 year deal came out. Your response to my being Po'd about it was to call me a "hater" for being upset. I asked you repeatedly if giving him a shorter deal was an insult. As far as I can tell you still haven't answered the question. I remember this because once again you're calling me a hater. Not skimming anything, JR is all you seem to want to talk about and when you do it nothing but insults. My previous response answers why I believe it was foolish to guarantee a title given his track record.

SO your talking about A different thread entirely???? How was I supposed to know that? As far as the contract, I don't fully remember my post but, I thought 2years would have been for the best. I think it's too many years committed to a guy who hasn't shown he's fully committed to the Knicks.

Hater was too strong of a term, sorry about that. Disliking JR isn't that hard,....actually finding reasons to keep liking him is probably harder. I just think he brings more good to the table than the bad. Its just that when he does something bad...its really a head shaker. The game suspension in the playoffs was dumb as shyt but, did we get on starks as hard for headbutting Reggie Miller or the other crazy shyte Starks would do. Its really seems like how much one likes a players determines how much negativity they get when the mess up.

That's cool. My mistake for not pointing out this was from a previous discussion. I thought you would have remembered. My bad. You didn't say anything about getting busted in the first post in this thread so I didn't know that you thought it was "dumb shyt", I should have asked.

Its hard supporting JR because in the back your your mind you wonder when he is going to F up. With Starks, not as much, he wasn't in the league as long and didn't have the checkered past that JR did, to put it mildly. Starks was more of a team first player IMO. I got PO'd when he heat butted Reggie and some of the other stuff he did but I believe from the start he gave his heart and soul to the team and I can't say the same for JR at times.

I was upset with game 7 of the finals but I hold Riley just as responsible for not telling him to drive more to get his confidence back. I'm keeping my expectations very low this season for JR because I was already wrong about him once. I sincerely hope he proves me wrong. He has the skills to do it, he just needs the self discipline to go out and deliver.

ChuckBuck wrote:The difference with JR and Starks is Starks was a perfectly normal human being off the court. Starks was pretty much a choir boy in his personal life. JR is volatile both on and off the court.

Vehicular manslaughter aside, Starks vs JR in the non-internet age had very few issues we know about.

Starks had a few issues regarding the team in the sense of being a hot head, few grandmother funerals to attend, guarantee win promises but bringing his golf clubs on road trips anyway.........No big deal.

Time has been kind to Starks and his legacy.

GustavBahler wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:What are you talking about. I never said anything about a 4year deal or any sort of deal. I said (to paraphrase) it was weak of you to use his camp with the kiddies to push your agenda. It was the camp with the kiddies where JR said New York would win it all. You said he was a fool for making such a guarantee. THAT WAS WHAT I WROTE.

From that you somehow concluded I was ok with him smoking weed and now this stuff about a 4year deal, WTF man stop skimming bits and pieces and read all of a post before responding. It would avoid awkward moments like this this with posts going back and forth as it needlessly.

You have a short memory. The last time we had a discussion about JR was when the first report about him getting a 4 year deal came out. Your response to my being Po'd about it was to call me a "hater" for being upset. I asked you repeatedly if giving him a shorter deal was an insult. As far as I can tell you still haven't answered the question. I remember this because once again you're calling me a hater. Not skimming anything, JR is all you seem to want to talk about and when you do it nothing but insults. My previous response answers why I believe it was foolish to guarantee a title given his track record.

SO your talking about A different thread entirely???? How was I supposed to know that? As far as the contract, I don't fully remember my post but, I thought 2years would have been for the best. I think it's too many years committed to a guy who hasn't shown he's fully committed to the Knicks.

Hater was too strong of a term, sorry about that. Disliking JR isn't that hard,....actually finding reasons to keep liking him is probably harder. I just think he brings more good to the table than the bad. Its just that when he does something bad...its really a head shaker. The game suspension in the playoffs was dumb as shyt but, did we get on starks as hard for headbutting Reggie Miller or the other crazy shyte Starks would do. Its really seems like how much one likes a players determines how much negativity they get when the mess up.

That's cool. My mistake for not pointing out this was from a previous discussion. I thought you would have remembered. My bad. You didn't say anything about getting busted in the first post in this thread so I didn't know that you thought it was "dumb shyt", I should have asked.

Its hard supporting JR because in the back your your mind you wonder when he is going to F up. With Starks, not as much, he wasn't in the league as long and didn't have the checkered past that JR did, to put it mildly. Starks was more of a team first player IMO. I got PO'd when he heat butted Reggie and some of the other stuff he did but I believe from the start he gave his heart and soul to the team and I can't say the same for JR at times.

I was upset with game 7 of the finals but I hold Riley just as responsible for not telling him to drive more to get his confidence back. I'm keeping my expectations very low this season for JR because I was already wrong about him once. I sincerely hope he proves me wrong. He has the skills to do it, he just needs the self discipline to go out and deliver.

We're both cool....that's what up :)

whats worse is we had Orlando (an even better shooter) just rotting on the bench but Riley never played him.

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:The difference with JR and Starks is Starks was a perfectly normal human being off the court. Starks was pretty much a choir boy in his personal life. JR is volatile both on and off the court.

Vehicular manslaughter aside, Starks vs JR in the non-internet age had very few issues we know about.

Starks had a few issues regarding the team in the sense of being a hot head, few grandmother funerals to attend, guarantee win promises but bringing his golf clubs on road trips anyway.........No big deal.

Time has been kind to Starks and his legacy.

Exactly. Those minor quibbles aside from Starks, don't think he's ever been known to drink or smoke weed or party much either. As far as it's been known, he's also been married to the same woman since 1986 with 3 kids.

JR, 2 daughters and well...doesn't seem like he's settling down in his personal life anytime soon.

DurzoBlint wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:The difference with JR and Starks is Starks was a perfectly normal human being off the court. Starks was pretty much a choir boy in his personal life. JR is volatile both on and off the court.

how do we know Starks was such a choir boy since those were before the days of social media, media take out and other internet engines use to get our info these days.

Don't think John Starks was ever arrested, pleaded guilty to anything, ever battered his wife, or tested positive for anything.

Yup, I think when you look at JR's life compared to John Starks 48 years of life...he is indeed a choir boy.

ChuckBuck wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:The difference with JR and Starks is Starks was a perfectly normal human being off the court. Starks was pretty much a choir boy in his personal life. JR is volatile both on and off the court.

how do we know Starks was such a choir boy since those were before the days of social media, media take out and other internet engines use to get our info these days.

Don't think John Starks was ever arrested, pleaded guilty to anything, ever battered his wife, or tested positive for anything.

Yup, I think when you look at JR's life compared to John Starks 48 years of life...he is indeed a choir boy.

I really don't think so either but, like I said, these days of social media, we know more than we ever would have in past years