knickstorrents wrote:I wonder are the same people who are salary conscious over Lin the same people who like Melo? Because Melo is one of the worst deals in basketball, bar none.

Lin goes to a kid's camp admitting his faults in a very adult manner, and people are ragging on him? Are you guys for real?

not only that, but look at bargnani deal? and as much of a fan I am of amare, look at his deal. we gave him guranteed money, no insurance to the tune of 100 mil...

knicks1248 wrote:the guy had free rain when insanity began, he had no one to throw the ball to..He was just going around screens in a spread offense, finding the open man or getting to the FT line. no amare or melo..when they came back it died down and considerably..

He doesn't have that same green light that he had under MDA, and just like melo stopped his free flow, harden poses a similar story..I like lins skills and IQ better then feltons toughness..

At the end of the day, there's very few players in the NBA worth 15mill..that contract was strickly to stop the Knicks from resigning him, it had very little to do with lins actual worth

that is so true!!

DurzoBlint wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Nalod wrote:Guy is speaking to youth and saying he put too much pressure on himself..

Better than not caring.

Rockets better than knicks now?

but, most of the guys bitching and moaning about the state of the Knicks are saying that being good isn't enough, that you all want a chip but, then to support your argument you say the Rocketts are better now? They didn't win it last season, do I see them winning this upcoming season. Until Linn does more than make a cameo appearance in the post season, until his play makes a difference WHEN IT MATTERS, then he and his supporters better get used to threads like this.

Houston got potentially an 8 to 10 year window to build a championship team when they acquired a 23 year old franchise player with only 3 years of 6th man minutes and wear and tear.

Is Harden only 23? When talking franchise players, the only people on that team that fit the bill are Harden and Howard. The rest are role players, some of whom can't even consistently play their roles

Harden is not a franchise player by any stretch, he's more of a pipen type player, 2nd option

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Nalod wrote:Guy is speaking to youth and saying he put too much pressure on himself..

Better than not caring.

Rockets better than knicks now?

but, most of the guys bitching and moaning about the state of the Knicks are saying that being good isn't enough, that you all want a chip but, then to support your argument you say the Rocketts are better now? They didn't win it last season, do I see them winning this upcoming season. Until Linn does more than make a cameo appearance in the post season, until his play makes a difference WHEN IT MATTERS, then he and his supporters better get used to threads like this.

Houston got potentially an 8 to 10 year window to build a championship team when they acquired a 23 year old franchise player with only 3 years of 6th man minutes and wear and tear.

YEA, I am surprised many miss the point.. they look at teams like Houston, Denver, GS, and go, well they didn't win, they got eliminated... but those teams are being built for the long term.. the fact that they are good now, is a damn bonus... winning takes time, it is a process and that can only be done, with good management and time..Knicks are built to win now, or are supposed to be.... can't judge those teams the same way..

knicks1248 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Nalod wrote:Guy is speaking to youth and saying he put too much pressure on himself..

Better than not caring.

Rockets better than knicks now?

but, most of the guys bitching and moaning about the state of the Knicks are saying that being good isn't enough, that you all want a chip but, then to support your argument you say the Rocketts are better now? They didn't win it last season, do I see them winning this upcoming season. Until Linn does more than make a cameo appearance in the post season, until his play makes a difference WHEN IT MATTERS, then he and his supporters better get used to threads like this.

Houston got potentially an 8 to 10 year window to build a championship team when they acquired a 23 year old franchise player with only 3 years of 6th man minutes and wear and tear.

Is Harden only 23? When talking franchise players, the only people on that team that fit the bill are Harden and Howard. The rest are role players, some of whom can't even consistently play their roles

Harden is not a franchise player by any stretch, he's more of a pipen type player, 2nd option

ok, even if that were the case, he gets paid like a 2nd option in comparison .. too bad we can't say the same

knicks1248 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Nalod wrote:Guy is speaking to youth and saying he put too much pressure on himself..

Better than not caring.

Rockets better than knicks now?

but, most of the guys bitching and moaning about the state of the Knicks are saying that being good isn't enough, that you all want a chip but, then to support your argument you say the Rocketts are better now? They didn't win it last season, do I see them winning this upcoming season. Until Linn does more than make a cameo appearance in the post season, until his play makes a difference WHEN IT MATTERS, then he and his supporters better get used to threads like this.

Houston got potentially an 8 to 10 year window to build a championship team when they acquired a 23 year old franchise player with only 3 years of 6th man minutes and wear and tear.

Is Harden only 23? When talking franchise players, the only people on that team that fit the bill are Harden and Howard. The rest are role players, some of whom can't even consistently play their roles

Harden is not a franchise player by any stretch, he's more of a pipen type player, 2nd option

Same can be said for Melo. Melo does 1 thing well

DurzoBlint wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Nalod wrote:Guy is speaking to youth and saying he put too much pressure on himself..

Better than not caring.

Rockets better than knicks now?

but, most of the guys bitching and moaning about the state of the Knicks are saying that being good isn't enough, that you all want a chip but, then to support your argument you say the Rocketts are better now? They didn't win it last season, do I see them winning this upcoming season. Until Linn does more than make a cameo appearance in the post season, until his play makes a difference WHEN IT MATTERS, then he and his supporters better get used to threads like this.

Houston got potentially an 8 to 10 year window to build a championship team when they acquired a 23 year old franchise player with only 3 years of 6th man minutes and wear and tear.

Is Harden only 23? When talking franchise players, the only people on that team that fit the bill are Harden and Howard. The rest are role players, some of whom can't even consistently play their roles

DurzoBlint wrote:

dk7th wrote:lin is the better orchestrator of the two, and it isn't close. linsanity proved that once and for all.

as much as i liked lin as our point guard, it was pretty clear he did not have the green light to dictate the offense, which is absolutely asinine on woodson's part. leave it to him to squander the skills of the one genuine orchestrator we had in a knick uniform in forever.

he is better at calling his own number...thats about it. We don't need a point guard who thinks he is the 1st option on offense.

when he is allowed to orchestrate it comes with the understanding that he does so by being personally aggressive. he made some great dishes in traffic too many times to deny this. his statlines during linsanity were fantastic and he showed his adaptability during his stretch, where he was not allowed to deliver the ball but still managed to get to the line.

felton is not nearly the playmaker that lin is if only because he simply can't deliver the ball well in traffic.

what is a true shame is how many knick fans missed out on linsanity because of the dispute between msg and time warner.

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Nalod wrote:Guy is speaking to youth and saying he put too much pressure on himself..

Better than not caring.

Rockets better than knicks now?

but, most of the guys bitching and moaning about the state of the Knicks are saying that being good isn't enough, that you all want a chip but, then to support your argument you say the Rocketts are better now? They didn't win it last season, do I see them winning this upcoming season. Until Linn does more than make a cameo appearance in the post season, until his play makes a difference WHEN IT MATTERS, then he and his supporters better get used to threads like this.

Houston got potentially an 8 to 10 year window to build a championship team when they acquired a 23 year old franchise player with only 3 years of 6th man minutes and wear and tear.

Is Harden only 23? When talking franchise players, the only people on that team that fit the bill are Harden and Howard. The rest are role players, some of whom can't even consistently play their roles

He was 23 when they acquired him. That's what I was referring to. He's 24 now.

your calling LINN a franchise player???? Wow, I know you are more intelligent than that Bonn.

No, Harden is. I was explaining the apparent contradictory treatment you identified earlier of Houston and NY by some here. They have a young franchise player and a big window to win a championship.

woo, had me worried, always considered you one of top 4 most intelligent posters here (imo) even . I kid a lot about Linn mainly to pay back the Gallo and Linn fans for subjecting me to so much of their angst. I wish we could have kept him and I think he will be a better than average guard once he figures a few things out but, he is not as good as some are billing him.

Harden IS a franchise level talent in my humble opinion. With the addition of Howard, yeah, they are a threat with a very, very bright future.

I think if you put Felton on that Houston team last year, they would have had a better season than they did. The stats are close and the fact that Felton played far more and and was available in the post season. Guys are HATING on a current Knick because of one that isn't here anymore. REMARKABLE.

fishmike wrote:Yup he sucks. And as the third option I bet he's the floor general that leads Houston to the western conf finals and we will be talking about how to improve pg. again. Funny how those things happen.

gotta think he is the fourth option after parsons, howard and harden. Also, mchale seemed to quiet fond of his back ups, especially beverly.