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7/31/2013  1:13 PM
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Dagger wrote:Wow papabear, when you go for the haterade you really leave the sippy cup at home. Enough with these repetitive threads already. Dolan sucks, our GM Sucks, the Nets are AH-MAZING! How many times can people say the same thing? The world may never know!

that's right, slip the dagger right between the ribs. Nykal agrees with your post

Um...what?
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7/31/2013  1:14 PM
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foosballnick wrote:Nets gave up a boatload of first round picks to get three guys at the end of their careers. They are essentially following the old Knicks blueprint of giving away the future for a one, maybe two year run and being outlandishly over the cap. As far as fans crossing over to Brooklyn.....there will always be bandwagon fans. Let's see how they look in 3 years before we proclaim them Kings of NY.

Celtics IMO are smartly reloading. They dumped guys who helped them in the past, but would not help them in the future.....for some potentially valuable first rounders.

Knicks unfortunately are cap hamstrung mainly due to Amare's knee and back. He seems like a good guy, but that 20 million sitting on IR really hurts. If he is healthy enough to return to 80 percent of what he was....and play in say 60 games........the Knicks will be OK this year. People here are too hard on Tyson IMO. He was brought in to be a defensive minded big and for veteran leadership, to play along side offensive minded Amare and Melo. Was he paid too highly, sure. But the Knicks smartly tied his contract length to most of the rest of the roster with a reload targeted for 15. Will they win a ring this year? Probably not, but most already knew that as long as LBJ has an effective Wade and Bosh beside him.

I want to see us in the ECF this year. Many focus on the Knicks offense. IMO it will be needed improvement on D that can get us there. My hope is with the defensive minded support that has been retained and will hopefully gel and stay healthy. Yes we are getting Metta on his decline, but Shump should be better this year as ACL injuries generally take over 12 months to return to full capacity. Kmart is still very effective. Tyson As far as remaining roster spots, we still need another big and PG to fill out the roster.

that is not true..

The 22 mil committed to Amare doesn't make them cap strung? Not sure how that is wrong. The guy can't play and has the largest contract on the team.
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7/31/2013  1:17 PM
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martin wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Yet there guys played in a lot more games last year than our core guys

and yet they still couldn't win as many games as the Knicks.

Boston struggled mightily throughout the first half of their season, and that is when Rondo played. 20-23.

And now the best of both teams converged. We will see who is better after the season. I will readily admit I was wrong although I highly doubt it


Exactly. You're talking about merging the top players from two very good first round teams vs. a 2nd round team that is an older version of itself and has added only a bad PF/C and an average SF.
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7/31/2013  1:19 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/31/2013  1:21 PM
Knicks feasted on a weak east in th regular season. Guys like Novak and JR lit up the bad teams like the magic bobcats and bucks. Playoffs we were exposed. You don't go anywhere in the playoffs with a flawed roster. Teams play D in the playoffs and offense!
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7/31/2013  1:30 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Knicks feasted on a weak east in th regular season. Guys like Novak and JR lit up the bad teams like the magic bobcats and bucks. Playoffs we were exposed. You don't go anywhere in the playoffs with a flawed roster. Teams play D in the playoffs and offense!

Novak was awful the entire year...
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7/31/2013  1:39 PM
Unless 2010 Amar'e comes back for 20+ minutes at night for the better part of the season, we're not winning 50 games this year.
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7/31/2013  2:31 PM
I don't know, I always get excited about the new NBA season and start hoping we'll do well. It's not been the most exciting offseason, but I'm looking forward to seeing if we can build on last year (most enjoyable Knick season in a decade!). Every year is unpredictable- who saw the Lin thing coming, the win streak we went on last year, etc etc. I always worry things will go badly but I'm hopeful at the same time, otherwise there would be no point in watching.

I'm glad MWP is a Knick, I'm curious to see Shumps development if Bargs can turn his career around, the new rookies, Tyler (if we sign him), see if Tyson can redeem himself and if Amar'e can be healthier (loved watching his post game in the few games we saw him in.

I'm not scared of the Nets (maybe i should be, but I'm not) or the Pacers or the Heat or the bulls- bring them all on! I like seeing if we can beat the odds. I'm sure people used to like rooting for the underdog, but nowadays it seems people only want to support the team if they're guaranteed winning a championship before the seasons started.
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7/31/2013  2:33 PM
If the knicks traded for kg n pp we would be the laughing stock of the league, old decrepit, washed up, slow, no youth, no future, and a slim ass chance to make it out of the first rnd..ever negative aspect of kg.jj, pp, deron, lopez would be the focal point..

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7/31/2013  2:34 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/31/2013  2:37 PM
I would be estatic. I want a ring. Adding KG and pierce to Melo in his prime sign me up
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7/31/2013  2:36 PM
smackeddog wrote:I don't know, I always get excited about the new NBA season and start hoping we'll do well. It's not been the most exciting offseason, but I'm looking forward to seeing if we can build on last year (most enjoyable Knick season in a decade!). Every year is unpredictable- who saw the Lin thing coming, the win streak we went on last year, etc etc. I always worry things will go badly but I'm hopeful at the same time, otherwise there would be no point in watching.

I'm glad MWP is a Knick, I'm curious to see Shumps development if Bargs can turn his career around, the new rookies, Tyler (if we sign him), see if Tyson can redeem himself and if Amar'e can be healthier (loved watching his post game in the few games we saw him in.

I'm not scared of the Nets (maybe i should be, but I'm not) or the Pacers or the Heat or the bulls- bring them all on! I like seeing if we can beat the odds. I'm sure people used to like rooting for the underdog, but nowadays it seems people only want to support the team if they're guaranteed winning a championship before the seasons started.

smackeddog, you're too positive for this thread.

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7/31/2013  3:27 PM
smackeddog wrote:I don't know, I always get excited about the new NBA season and start hoping we'll do well. It's not been the most exciting offseason, but I'm looking forward to seeing if we can build on last year (most enjoyable Knick season in a decade!). Every year is unpredictable- who saw the Lin thing coming, the win streak we went on last year, etc etc. I always worry things will go badly but I'm hopeful at the same time, otherwise there would be no point in watching.

I'm glad MWP is a Knick, I'm curious to see Shumps development if Bargs can turn his career around, the new rookies, Tyler (if we sign him), see if Tyson can redeem himself and if Amar'e can be healthier (loved watching his post game in the few games we saw him in.

I'm not scared of the Nets (maybe i should be, but I'm not) or the Pacers or the Heat or the bulls- bring them all on! I like seeing if we can beat the odds. I'm sure people used to like rooting for the underdog, but nowadays it seems people only want to support the team if they're guaranteed winning a championship before the seasons started.

Good post. This I can understand. I too will be excited once the season starts. It's th delusional stuff that irks me. We haven't had a good playoff run or any playoffs since 1999. It's going to take a lot to get me to be excited about a championship again. I don't know why some cant grasp that. The Knicks need to prove it to us first and I just don't see it in the cards with this group. Not til after 2015
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7/31/2013  3:35 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
smackeddog wrote:I don't know, I always get excited about the new NBA season and start hoping we'll do well. It's not been the most exciting offseason, but I'm looking forward to seeing if we can build on last year (most enjoyable Knick season in a decade!). Every year is unpredictable- who saw the Lin thing coming, the win streak we went on last year, etc etc. I always worry things will go badly but I'm hopeful at the same time, otherwise there would be no point in watching.

I'm glad MWP is a Knick, I'm curious to see Shumps development if Bargs can turn his career around, the new rookies, Tyler (if we sign him), see if Tyson can redeem himself and if Amar'e can be healthier (loved watching his post game in the few games we saw him in.

I'm not scared of the Nets (maybe i should be, but I'm not) or the Pacers or the Heat or the bulls- bring them all on! I like seeing if we can beat the odds. I'm sure people used to like rooting for the underdog, but nowadays it seems people only want to support the team if they're guaranteed winning a championship before the seasons started.

Good post. This I can understand. I too will be excited once the season starts. It's th delusional stuff that irks me. We haven't had a good playoff run or any playoffs since 1999. It's going to take a lot to get me to be excited about a championship again. I don't know why some cant grasp that. The Knicks need to prove it to us first and I just don't see it in the cards with this group. Not til after 2015

Winning 50+ for the first time in 13 years and getting to the second round for the first time in 13 years was a big step.
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7/31/2013  3:47 PM
I agree if this was a team with a bright future. Right now the only future is in 2015
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7/31/2013  3:49 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
smackeddog wrote:I don't know, I always get excited about the new NBA season and start hoping we'll do well. It's not been the most exciting offseason, but I'm looking forward to seeing if we can build on last year (most enjoyable Knick season in a decade!). Every year is unpredictable- who saw the Lin thing coming, the win streak we went on last year, etc etc. I always worry things will go badly but I'm hopeful at the same time, otherwise there would be no point in watching.

I'm glad MWP is a Knick, I'm curious to see Shumps development if Bargs can turn his career around, the new rookies, Tyler (if we sign him), see if Tyson can redeem himself and if Amar'e can be healthier (loved watching his post game in the few games we saw him in.

I'm not scared of the Nets (maybe i should be, but I'm not) or the Pacers or the Heat or the bulls- bring them all on! I like seeing if we can beat the odds. I'm sure people used to like rooting for the underdog, but nowadays it seems people only want to support the team if they're guaranteed winning a championship before the seasons started.

Good post. This I can understand. I too will be excited once the season starts. It's th delusional stuff that irks me. We haven't had a good playoff run or any playoffs since 1999. It's going to take a lot to get me to be excited about a championship again. I don't know why some cant grasp that. The Knicks need to prove it to us first and I just don't see it in the cards with this group. Not til after 2015

I agree- I really miss those playoff runs. I watched the Pacers these playoffs with jealousy- seeing players cement their reputation, seeing them forever changed by how far they got, seeing the intense battles- I remember when we used to experience that and it was great!

I hate that we've fizzled out in the playoffs and I hate the way we've been so injured the past few years- I'd just like us to go into the playoffs at full strength this year and see if we can have some epic, player changing series.
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7/31/2013  3:53 PM
Going into the playoffs healthy for once would be a heck of a start in getting me to believe again
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7/31/2013  4:00 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/31/2013  4:01 PM
Getting a former #1 pick in the draft for virtually nothing is not crumbs, IMO. Yes, AB was out of favor in Toronto but the talent is there. At the very least he is another scorer that can take the heat off of Melo and the gang on offense.

Shumpert for the whole year will help too.

I actually think that this team will be better. The problem is Woodson in my opinion. His offense is too predictable and that will hurt the team more than anything else this year.
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7/31/2013  5:46 PM
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tkf wrote:
foosballnick wrote:Nets gave up a boatload of first round picks to get three guys at the end of their careers. They are essentially following the old Knicks blueprint of giving away the future for a one, maybe two year run and being outlandishly over the cap. As far as fans crossing over to Brooklyn.....there will always be bandwagon fans. Let's see how they look in 3 years before we proclaim them Kings of NY.

Celtics IMO are smartly reloading. They dumped guys who helped them in the past, but would not help them in the future.....for some potentially valuable first rounders.

Knicks unfortunately are cap hamstrung mainly due to Amare's knee and back. He seems like a good guy, but that 20 million sitting on IR really hurts. If he is healthy enough to return to 80 percent of what he was....and play in say 60 games........the Knicks will be OK this year. People here are too hard on Tyson IMO. He was brought in to be a defensive minded big and for veteran leadership, to play along side offensive minded Amare and Melo. Was he paid too highly, sure. But the Knicks smartly tied his contract length to most of the rest of the roster with a reload targeted for 15. Will they win a ring this year? Probably not, but most already knew that as long as LBJ has an effective Wade and Bosh beside him.

I want to see us in the ECF this year. Many focus on the Knicks offense. IMO it will be needed improvement on D that can get us there. My hope is with the defensive minded support that has been retained and will hopefully gel and stay healthy. Yes we are getting Metta on his decline, but Shump should be better this year as ACL injuries generally take over 12 months to return to full capacity. Kmart is still very effective. Tyson As far as remaining roster spots, we still need another big and PG to fill out the roster.

that is not true..

The 22 mil committed to Amare doesn't make them cap strung? Not sure how that is wrong. The guy can't play and has the largest contract on the team.

we signed amare first.. we were still under the cap when we signed him.. it was the following deals to carmelo and tyson chandler that has us in a bad cap situation... had we not gone starphuching, we could have saved the amnesty for amare...

If he is healthy enough to return to 80 percent of what he was....and play in say 60 games........the Knicks will be OK this year.

this is the other part of the myth.. carmelo, chandler and amare are oil and water mixtures... a healthy amare doses not make the knicks "ok". it just makes us more healthy....

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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7/31/2013  5:48 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/31/2013  5:53 PM
gunsnewing wrote:I would be estatic. I want a ring. Adding KG and pierce to Melo in his prime sign me up

pierce and KG would lose their minds having to play with a ball hog that doesn't defend.. it would be a volatile situation...

adding this player and that player to carmelo in his "prime" is not going to change this team, unless the player you add will completely subjugate carmelo and his game... completely.. hold him accountable as a defender, and ball mover, and just a good overall team player.. until then. nothing short of an enema for this team will do!!!

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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7/31/2013  6:08 PM
tkf wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
tkf wrote:
foosballnick wrote:Nets gave up a boatload of first round picks to get three guys at the end of their careers. They are essentially following the old Knicks blueprint of giving away the future for a one, maybe two year run and being outlandishly over the cap. As far as fans crossing over to Brooklyn.....there will always be bandwagon fans. Let's see how they look in 3 years before we proclaim them Kings of NY.

Celtics IMO are smartly reloading. They dumped guys who helped them in the past, but would not help them in the future.....for some potentially valuable first rounders.

Knicks unfortunately are cap hamstrung mainly due to Amare's knee and back. He seems like a good guy, but that 20 million sitting on IR really hurts. If he is healthy enough to return to 80 percent of what he was....and play in say 60 games........the Knicks will be OK this year. People here are too hard on Tyson IMO. He was brought in to be a defensive minded big and for veteran leadership, to play along side offensive minded Amare and Melo. Was he paid too highly, sure. But the Knicks smartly tied his contract length to most of the rest of the roster with a reload targeted for 15. Will they win a ring this year? Probably not, but most already knew that as long as LBJ has an effective Wade and Bosh beside him.

I want to see us in the ECF this year. Many focus on the Knicks offense. IMO it will be needed improvement on D that can get us there. My hope is with the defensive minded support that has been retained and will hopefully gel and stay healthy. Yes we are getting Metta on his decline, but Shump should be better this year as ACL injuries generally take over 12 months to return to full capacity. Kmart is still very effective. Tyson As far as remaining roster spots, we still need another big and PG to fill out the roster.

that is not true..

The 22 mil committed to Amare doesn't make them cap strung? Not sure how that is wrong. The guy can't play and has the largest contract on the team.

we signed amare first.. we were still under the cap when we signed him.. it was the following deals to carmelo and tyson chandler that has us in a bad cap situation... had we not gone starphuching, we could have saved the amnesty for amare...

If he is healthy enough to return to 80 percent of what he was....and play in say 60 games........the Knicks will be OK this year.

this is the other part of the myth.. carmelo, chandler and amare are oil and water mixtures... a healthy amare doses not make the knicks "ok". it just makes us more healthy....

The Knicks signed Amare first because he was the only guy that would sign that was a big enough name to justify all of the cap clearing moves that were made to have enough cap space for two stars. Giving the guy the length of contract Walsh did when the deal couldn't be insured was a bad move. I agree that they could have saved the amnesty for Amare but his injury after his first year was his back and he had blown up for the first two thirds of his first year in NY. Maybe the thought was that his knees would defy what the doctors said would happen. I think the Knick organization thought Amare would recover enough to form a big three with Tsyon and Melo. They took a risk and did end up with Tyson. I don't know how I feel about it but big picture Amare wasn't getting amnestied after his first year in ny and the Knicks had just acquired a superstar that was only 27.
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7/31/2013  6:14 PM
tkf wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:I would be estatic. I want a ring. Adding KG and pierce to Melo in his prime sign me up

pierce and KG would lose their minds having to play with a ball hog that doesn't defend.. it would be a volatile situation...

adding this player and that player to carmelo in his "prime" is not going to change this team, unless the player you add will completely subjugate carmelo and his game... completely.. hold him accountable as a defender, and ball mover, and just a good overall team player.. until then. nothing short of an enema for this team will do!!!

That would be part of th kg/pierce package definitely
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