DurzoBlint wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Papabear wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

matt wrote:Knicks are claiming that they knew this during contract discussions and that it wasn't an issue.

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Isola is on the money

Damned good questions, unfortunately. Aw crap, here we go again.

not for me.

JR signed for $2.8M last year and it was obviously waaaaaayyyyyy below market value, this is the Knicks doing right by the player. His $5.5M may still be undervalued.

That's nice and all Martin but we are talking about the same guy who imploded in two playoffs. We got more than we paid for during the regular season and a lot less when it mattered in the playoffs. I give him all the credit for his regular season success but not to the point where its in return for a bum knee and a 4 year contract. Its a pattern. I fell for it but at some point you want to cut bait.

Papabear Says

Stop being spoiled. We haven't won anything in 13 years and JR Played a big part in bringing up back to respectability again.

There are limits to my gratitude. I give JR all the credit in the world helping us win last year, and I never passed up an opportunity to do so. But after another putrid performance in the playoffs, no, I don't believe he should be rewarded with a 4 year deal. If anyone is being spoiled in all this its JR.

Does it matter if he had an opt out and could have stayed anyway with the knee?

Does it matter for all practical purpose's the new contract in effect keeps him three more years then his one year left contract?

6th man of the year and we make promises to player to take care of them. If you break it, you don't get players to "come for less".

I wish he had opted out and gone somewhere else but where were these better deals we keep hearing about? I'm all for loyalty, but in this case not in return for a 4 year deal no matter how you slice and dice it.

I'm not saying you are wrong about how you feel or anyone who feels the same way. I just don't want to have to deal with any more surprises from JR.

Ok, your not a fan.

But we don't get to spend that money on other players. CBA allows us to spend more on your own. So it was kind of "JR or nothing" to some extent. "Nothing" being a lower money value to spend.

JR is not your high pedigree kid with NCAA winning resume. He is the feral street player with self esteem problems and low IQ.

I find great value in solid playoff performances. I would take a player short term who might not be as good as JR but he could be counted on when it mattered, the playoffs. Again, it wasn't the annual salary but the length of the deal, CBA or no CBA.

so, him being a big part of our 54wins doesn't matter? So him damn near carrying us when Melo was injured and slumping doesn't matter. Sure it was a terrible time to go into a slump (for whatever reasons) but, you seem like you are just reaching for something to hate.

Way to flip the script there Durzo. Back a few pages you were all PO'd about how JR blew out his knee partying, now you are calling other posters "haters". Nice. Anything less than a 4 year deal and its an insult, do I have that right?

GustavBahler wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Papabear wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

matt wrote:Knicks are claiming that they knew this during contract discussions and that it wasn't an issue.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/FisolaNYDN/status/356926585254838273

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/FisolaNYDN/status/356932515983925250

Isola is on the money

Damned good questions, unfortunately. Aw crap, here we go again.

not for me.

JR signed for $2.8M last year and it was obviously waaaaaayyyyyy below market value, this is the Knicks doing right by the player. His $5.5M may still be undervalued.

That's nice and all Martin but we are talking about the same guy who imploded in two playoffs. We got more than we paid for during the regular season and a lot less when it mattered in the playoffs. I give him all the credit for his regular season success but not to the point where its in return for a bum knee and a 4 year contract. Its a pattern. I fell for it but at some point you want to cut bait.

Papabear Says

Stop being spoiled. We haven't won anything in 13 years and JR Played a big part in bringing up back to respectability again.

There are limits to my gratitude. I give JR all the credit in the world helping us win last year, and I never passed up an opportunity to do so. But after another putrid performance in the playoffs, no, I don't believe he should be rewarded with a 4 year deal. If anyone is being spoiled in all this its JR.

Does it matter if he had an opt out and could have stayed anyway with the knee?

Does it matter for all practical purpose's the new contract in effect keeps him three more years then his one year left contract?

6th man of the year and we make promises to player to take care of them. If you break it, you don't get players to "come for less".

I wish he had opted out and gone somewhere else but where were these better deals we keep hearing about? I'm all for loyalty, but in this case not in return for a 4 year deal no matter how you slice and dice it.

I'm not saying you are wrong about how you feel or anyone who feels the same way. I just don't want to have to deal with any more surprises from JR.

Ok, your not a fan.

But we don't get to spend that money on other players. CBA allows us to spend more on your own. So it was kind of "JR or nothing" to some extent. "Nothing" being a lower money value to spend.

JR is not your high pedigree kid with NCAA winning resume. He is the feral street player with self esteem problems and low IQ.

I find great value in solid playoff performances. I would take a player short term who might not be as good as JR but he could be counted on when it mattered, the playoffs. Again, it wasn't the annual salary but the length of the deal, CBA or no CBA.

so, him being a big part of our 54wins doesn't matter? So him damn near carrying us when Melo was injured and slumping doesn't matter. Sure it was a terrible time to go into a slump (for whatever reasons) but, you seem like you are just reaching for something to hate.

Way to flip the script there Durzo. Back a few pages you were all PO'd about how JR blew out his knee partying, now you are calling other posters "haters". Nice. Anything less than a 4 year deal and its an insult, do I have that right?

PLEASE SHOW ME where I posted such a thing. I have ever since the playoffs been defending this guy so, you probably have me confused with someone else. I have been very consistent about this.

DurzoBlint wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Papabear wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

matt wrote:Knicks are claiming that they knew this during contract discussions and that it wasn't an issue.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/FisolaNYDN/status/356926585254838273

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/FisolaNYDN/status/356932515983925250

Isola is on the money

Damned good questions, unfortunately. Aw crap, here we go again.

not for me.

JR signed for $2.8M last year and it was obviously waaaaaayyyyyy below market value, this is the Knicks doing right by the player. His $5.5M may still be undervalued.

That's nice and all Martin but we are talking about the same guy who imploded in two playoffs. We got more than we paid for during the regular season and a lot less when it mattered in the playoffs. I give him all the credit for his regular season success but not to the point where its in return for a bum knee and a 4 year contract. Its a pattern. I fell for it but at some point you want to cut bait.

Papabear Says

Stop being spoiled. We haven't won anything in 13 years and JR Played a big part in bringing up back to respectability again.

There are limits to my gratitude. I give JR all the credit in the world helping us win last year, and I never passed up an opportunity to do so. But after another putrid performance in the playoffs, no, I don't believe he should be rewarded with a 4 year deal. If anyone is being spoiled in all this its JR.

Does it matter if he had an opt out and could have stayed anyway with the knee?

Does it matter for all practical purpose's the new contract in effect keeps him three more years then his one year left contract?

6th man of the year and we make promises to player to take care of them. If you break it, you don't get players to "come for less".

I wish he had opted out and gone somewhere else but where were these better deals we keep hearing about? I'm all for loyalty, but in this case not in return for a 4 year deal no matter how you slice and dice it.

I'm not saying you are wrong about how you feel or anyone who feels the same way. I just don't want to have to deal with any more surprises from JR.

Ok, your not a fan.

But we don't get to spend that money on other players. CBA allows us to spend more on your own. So it was kind of "JR or nothing" to some extent. "Nothing" being a lower money value to spend.

JR is not your high pedigree kid with NCAA winning resume. He is the feral street player with self esteem problems and low IQ.

I find great value in solid playoff performances. I would take a player short term who might not be as good as JR but he could be counted on when it mattered, the playoffs. Again, it wasn't the annual salary but the length of the deal, CBA or no CBA.

so, him being a big part of our 54wins doesn't matter? So him damn near carrying us when Melo was injured and slumping doesn't matter. Sure it was a terrible time to go into a slump (for whatever reasons) but, you seem like you are just reaching for something to hate.

Way to flip the script there Durzo. Back a few pages you were all PO'd about how JR blew out his knee partying, now you are calling other posters "haters". Nice. Anything less than a 4 year deal and its an insult, do I have that right?

PLEASE SHOW ME where I posted such a thing. I have ever since the playoffs been defending this guy so, you probably have me confused with someone else. I have been very consistent about this.

You said that it came out that he got hurt at the same time that he was partying, if I read too much into that statement its my fault. Not sure why you would tie the two together. Not following your line of reasoning then.

As for JR, it wasn't just his play. It was getting tossed from one game, his absence playing a big part in a loss. Guaranteeing a win, firing up the Celtics and playing poorly when he did come back.

You guys keep leaving that part out like we are supposed to ignore it. I will ask again, is anything less than a 4 year deal an insult?

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:saw this coming. It was reported during the playoffs he was playing through a knee injury. FA is over so now he has surgery. THjr stand up.

What did JR know and when did he know it?

This came out at the same time Rhianna said he was playing
Poorly because he was partying. I even posted it here
But everyone preferred to believe otherwise..
True Knick fans

being injured and partying are not mutually exclusive

here you go, the specific post you were referring to. The "THIS" is referring to the title of the thread.

DurzoBlint wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:saw this coming. It was reported during the playoffs he was playing through a knee injury. FA is over so now he has surgery. THjr stand up.

What did JR know and when did he know it?

can't find the post I wrote here on my Android so I will repost it. This came out during the playoffs at the same time as Rhianna's claim that he was playing like crap because he was out drinking. JR desputed the claim and shortly after (days) the info started leaking about his knee being hurt along with some sort of bacterial virus. Guys preferred to hate on dude and being TRUE Knick fans chose to believe the far negative of the 2stories. I even posted about his injury and no one wanted to credit it as true.

I believe it was Nalod (I might be wrong) who said that his people likely leaked it so he wouldn't look bad.

here is another example of how I have been consistent about this.

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Papabear wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

matt wrote:Knicks are claiming that they knew this during contract discussions and that it wasn't an issue.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/FisolaNYDN/status/356926585254838273

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/FisolaNYDN/status/356932515983925250

Isola is on the money

Damned good questions, unfortunately. Aw crap, here we go again.

not for me.

JR signed for $2.8M last year and it was obviously waaaaaayyyyyy below market value, this is the Knicks doing right by the player. His $5.5M may still be undervalued.

That's nice and all Martin but we are talking about the same guy who imploded in two playoffs. We got more than we paid for during the regular season and a lot less when it mattered in the playoffs. I give him all the credit for his regular season success but not to the point where its in return for a bum knee and a 4 year contract. Its a pattern. I fell for it but at some point you want to cut bait.

Papabear Says

Stop being spoiled. We haven't won anything in 13 years and JR Played a big part in bringing up back to respectability again.

There are limits to my gratitude. I give JR all the credit in the world helping us win last year, and I never passed up an opportunity to do so. But after another putrid performance in the playoffs, no, I don't believe he should be rewarded with a 4 year deal. If anyone is being spoiled in all this its JR.

Does it matter if he had an opt out and could have stayed anyway with the knee?

Does it matter for all practical purpose's the new contract in effect keeps him three more years then his one year left contract?

6th man of the year and we make promises to player to take care of them. If you break it, you don't get players to "come for less".

I wish he had opted out and gone somewhere else but where were these better deals we keep hearing about? I'm all for loyalty, but in this case not in return for a 4 year deal no matter how you slice and dice it.

I'm not saying you are wrong about how you feel or anyone who feels the same way. I just don't want to have to deal with any more surprises from JR.

nixluva wrote:JR is a Knick. He's important to the success of the team and I wish only that he get 100% healthy. Doesn't matter at this point what the Knicks knew. If they felt he wasn't going to be able to return from this I doubt they would've locked him in. None of us knows this for sure, but it only makes sense that they had doctors review the injuries and their seriousness for JR's long term health. Good thing is he won't have to rush.

I'm wondering if the medical staffs for some of the teams able to sign him knew about these knee issues and decided he wasn't worth the trouble. Similar players (Mayo, Ellis, Evans) got a bigger dollar, for less years.

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:saw this coming. It was reported during the playoffs he was playing through a knee injury. FA is over so now he has surgery. THjr stand up.

What did JR know and when did he know it?

This came out at the same time Rhianna said he was playing
Poorly because he was partying. I even posted it here
But everyone preferred to believe otherwise..
True Knick fans

being injured and partying are not mutually exclusive

here you go, the specific post you were referring to. The "THIS" is referring to the title of the thread.

Is that reply directed at me? I don't follow what you're saying

no, not you Bonn. GustavBahler sort of accused me of flip flopping. Said I was complaining about JR partying it up and now I was changing my story. Just wanted to show him what I actually said.

DurzoBlint wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:saw this coming. It was reported during the playoffs he was playing through a knee injury. FA is over so now he has surgery. THjr stand up.

What did JR know and when did he know it?

This came out at the same time Rhianna said he was playing
Poorly because he was partying. I even posted it here
But everyone preferred to believe otherwise..
True Knick fans

being injured and partying are not mutually exclusive

here you go, the specific post you were referring to. The "THIS" is referring to the title of the thread.

Is that reply directed at me? I don't follow what you're saying

no, not you Bonn. GustavBahler sort of accused me of flip flopping. Said I was complaining about JR partying it up and now I was changing my story. Just wanted to show him what I actually said.

Already took that statement back and you didn't answer my question.

GustavBahler wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:From Hahn:

New York Knicks

Alan Hahn
+ Trust

After signing a 4-year contract to stay with the #Knicks, JR Smith undergoes surgery. More:

First things first, it was a no-brainer to re-sign Smith. The Knicks had very little options in free agency this summer, but to keep their No. 2 scorer and the NBA Sixth Man of the Year for a very fair market price (see: J.J. Redick and Kevin Martin) was essential.

Days after he inked the deal, however, he underwent surgery to repair the patella tendon and lateral meniscus in his left knee. The recovery time is set for 12 to 16 weeks, which means Smith is likely to miss all of training camp and could miss the start of the regular season.

The Knicks said it was a chronic injury that gradually worsened. I had heard late last season that Smith was dealing with a knee issue but he was playing so well it was hard to tell. It certainly explains his struggles in the playoffs if the injury did, in fact, get worse.

He should be fully recovered and playing his usual minutes by Christmas, so the Knicks will get more than a half-season of him. There are three more years beyond that.

The concern, really, is the start of the season and who will pick up the scoring slack off the bench in his absence. It could be, coincidentally, Amar'e Stoudemire, who assumes the Sixth Man role.

Or, perhaps, it will be rookie Tim Hardaway Jr.

With only three other veteran guards under contract -- Raymond Felton, Pablo Prigioni and Iman Shumpert -- right now, the backcourt will be thin. I'd expect the team will come up with at least one veteran for the backcourt, if not two. Aaron Brooks is still out there and Raja Bell last month had what was reportedly an impressive workout with the Knicks.

Who do you think has to step up in Smith's place?

http://sulia.com/channel/new-york-knicks/f/68b455aa-525d-4fc5-a840-63e332aab138/?source=twitter

Giving a guy with JR's history and "chronic knee problems" a 4 year deal is a "no brainer"? Interesting.