and second team has melo, jr, bargnani

can you guess which team is knicks, one or second?

this is how it is, knicks overshot their expected wins last year because they caught the hot fire balls streak,

so in 13-14, if they win less than 54 games it is not because current team is worse but because 12-13 team was over achieving and most of the time they would win maybe 47 games or so if you run it back

StarksEwing1 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:it's not bias if one team has pierce, kg, deron, brook lopez, joe johnson, ak47

and second team has melo, jr, bargnani

can you guess which team is knicks, one or second?

this is how it is, knicks overshot their expected wins last year because they caught the hot fire balls streak,

so in 13-14, if they win less than 54 games it is not because current team is worse but because 12-13 team was over achieving and most of the time they would win maybe 47 games or so if you run it back

Exactly plus the East has impoved greatly. Both the Pacers and bulls were missing their top players and they still gave us a hard time, the nets are much better, and miami will win every year until lebron is gone

yea and indy gave us more than a hard time, they turned tyson into the jailyard you know what and bounced us out of the playoffs, what a stinker that is,

bulls would've beefed us out of the building too,

celtics gave us a hard time and they were running only on two old men (two old men that will be more effective in combination with the young guys on nets),

and now the pacers and bulls are improved, d rose is mvp guy,

what did we do? we have bargs,

i'm holding out hope for a blockbuster shump trade that brings us a flashy name, because that's the only chance we have at making a splash in the pond,

right now, yea you can make playoffs and make few noises in the regular season, but you're out of town when prom night is here, you're not on the party bus

StarksEwing1 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:it's not bias if one team has pierce, kg, deron, brook lopez, joe johnson, ak47

and second team has melo, jr, bargnani

can you guess which team is knicks, one or second?

this is how it is, knicks overshot their expected wins last year because they caught the hot fire balls streak,

so in 13-14, if they win less than 54 games it is not because current team is worse but because 12-13 team was over achieving and most of the time they would win maybe 47 games or so if you run it back

Exactly plus the East has impoved greatly. Both the Pacers and bulls were missing their top players and they still gave us a hard time, the nets are much better, and miami will win every year until lebron is gone

IWG, very well written and explained (with the talent on those teams, it really shouldn't be necessary)
I do like it that, again, we are being under dogs like last year, it worked to our favor, and that was the reason why we probably came out BALLING with a *BANG*

I simply just don't believe in Coach Woodson's system on OFFENSE and DEFENSE and by the play off, he needs to be much more creative with some deception, learn to anticipate and negate the strengths/weaknesses of our opponents, as well as preparing on how other team's will defend us *be ready to counter how Indiana played us in the play offs without double teams and outside of Hibbert protecting the paint*

We cannot rely on ISO ball because with Miami, Pacer's, Bulls, Net's, it plays right to their strengths with their DEFENSIVE abilities and ability to counter on transition/fast breaks
On top of it, our players on the floor do not know how to anticipate what MELO/JR will do, so they find themselves standing still while letting the players rest on DEFENSE with rebounding position because our players are giving space to Melo/JR to operate

We might not be a TOP 4 team but like NixLuva says, it is a possibility that we move up from that as well
Vice Versa, with the improvements of Cleveland, Washington, and Orlando, they have the ability/talent to challenge us, especially with Cleveland
Honestly, even Detroit/Toronto/Bobcats, these teams have the improved dramatically and have the talent/ability to playoff contenders

Honestly, last season, who thought Atlanta/Orlando were as good as they were, we just cannot predict who will do well with the improvements/development in their young talent, in addition to their acquisitions/trades, and rookies/undrafted FA/European acquisitions

In my opinion, The East has improved greatly so far this summer, and I do not expect any GIVEN teams, it is just likely that the TOP 4 teams with the Heat, Pacers, Bulls, and Nets
will be much improved on top of well they played last season

The West is still strong, but they are not as deep as they once were with the balance shifting towards the East now

StarksEwing1 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:it's not bias if one team has pierce, kg, deron, brook lopez, joe johnson, ak47

and second team has melo, jr, bargnani

can you guess which team is knicks, one or second?

this is how it is, knicks overshot their expected wins last year because they caught the hot fire balls streak,

so in 13-14, if they win less than 54 games it is not because current team is worse but because 12-13 team was over achieving and most of the time they would win maybe 47 games or so if you run it back

Exactly plus the East has impoved greatly. Both the Pacers and bulls were missing their top players and they still gave us a hard time, the nets are much better, and miami will win every year until lebron is gone

yea and indy gave us more than a hard time, they turned tyson into the jailyard you know what and bounced us out of the playoffs, what a stinker that is,

bulls would've beefed us out of the building too,

celtics gave us a hard time and they were running only on two old men (two old men that will be more effective in combination with the young guys on nets),

and now the pacers and bulls are improved, d rose is mvp guy,

what did we do? we have bargs,

i'm holding out hope for a blockbuster shump trade that brings us a flashy name, because that's the only chance we have at making a splash in the pond,

right now, yea you can make playoffs and make few noises in the regular season, but you're out of town when prom night is here, you're not on the party bus

i love shump and i dont wnat him to go but he alone wont get us anything great. His is the only asset we have left but he isnt gonna get us a bigtime player

I love Iman Shumpert but with JR Smith/Tim Hardaway JR all playing the same position as Iman Shumpert, it is very likely that Iman will eventually get traded if the right deal came along because his extension is in the same year of the summer of 2015 FA class
He surely rubbed Dolan, Woodson, and maybe even Melo/JR is a negative way with his comments about ISO ball/Needing a change

Truth is, he is one of our only real assets on the team that the league have interested in, and with Tyson Chandler *I am not sure what his value is because of his contract*
If we can get starting caliber PG like Dragic, or a real ALL STAR like Aldridge/Love to team up with Melo, it would be a deal hard to reject especially if we can get some picks out of it with a player exemption as well

With The Sun's it looks like, combo guard, "rook", in Archie Goodwin will look to get a serviceable role on the team, climbing ahead of last year's pick in Kendall Marshall

Bledsoe/Archie Goodwin
Dragic/Archie GOodwin
Beasley/Morris
Frye
Gortat/Alex Len

Archie Goodwin
Shannon Brown
Markieff Morris
Marcus Morris
Louis Scola
Alex Len

Caron Butler
PJ Tucker
Malcolm Lee
Hamed Haddadi

vs

Bledsoe/Goodwin
Iman Shumpert/Goodwin
Beasley/Morris
Frye
Tyson Chandler/Alex Len

Archie Goodwin
Shannon Brown
Markieff Morris
Marcus Morris
Louis Scola
Alex Len

Caron Butler
PJ Tucker
Malcolm Lee
Hamed Haddadi

nixluva wrote:I still think too many Fans and Media are down on the Knicks based on the loss to the Pacers. I don't put as much into that loss cuz I think the Knicks actually wore down and had injury to key players. We didn't have the needed depth to survive a war with the Pacers. Kidd, Camby, Sheed, KT and White weren't able to help or make it thru the season. JR and Melo were not healthy and Tyson was weak with no backup. STAT was just getting back and not able to really go hard. That's a lot of issues to deal with a young team that is fully healthy. Then when you add in the mistakes that Woody made it's amazing they went 6 games and came darned close to getting it to 7 in NY. IMO the loss to Indiana distorts everything or really revealed how weak the Knicks were by the time they go to the 2nd rd.

I don't see all of those things repeating again this season. If they do then we're cooked. However, a younger and deeper team will be able to compete with anyone in the East. I'm confident that the Knicks will be a match for the Nets or Bulls this year if both teams are relatively healthy. Better depth should help the Knicks in that dept. We won't have a AARP crew coming to camp this year.

It wasn't so much on that we loss to the Pacer's, it was how we loss
it was more of the lack of coaching, adjustments, poor rotations, poor TEAM work, getting abused by 1 player but putting in the same players that showed the inability to defend him or at least on the offensive end, get him (Hibbert) out of the paint for the REB's, and we had Copeland/Camby/and even Earl Barron glued to the bench

JR and Melo did not command double or triple teams, they were were 1v1 coverage for the most part, except for Hibbert in the paint
We were unable to get in the paint period, while the Pacer's were scoring everything in the paint with drives/layups/offensive boards, FT attempts, and wide open 3ptr's
While we continued to go ISO and shoot 30% and when there was team chemistry/ball movement, Melo/JR was sent back in to play the super hero, and Woody was fine with that
That is why I feel FA's don't want to come over here in a lower salary *also becomes a tradeable asset that the franchise would do for the next big name available* because it isn't a very successful way to play for the W and for their next contract

When the coach gives the green light to players that were playing with injuries and were fine shooting 30 shot attempts and making 10 shots out of the inefficient way, it is just a poor, ineffective and horrible strategy to boost stats for players that the coach favors

smackeddog wrote:Hmm, Bargnani's stats in the lockout shortened season were looking pretty good the first two months before he got injured:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4129/splits?year=2011&type=Fielding

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4129/gamelog;_ylt=AlFP3Q17Sgi7gtToQaJ5DpFTPaB4?year=2011

That was following on from a good 2009-2010 season. I thought I hadn't imagined it- I remembered vaguely, writers saying it looked like Bargs had finally figured things out and was looking like an all star. After last years injuries, they seem to have erased that from history and make out the way he played last season was the way he played his entire career.

Hope he turns out to be another Keith Van Horn, we need some good luck!

Keith Van Horn as a Net or Knick?

smackeddog wrote:

RonRon wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Hmm, Bargnani's stats in the lockout shortened season were looking pretty good the first two months before he got injured:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4129/splits?year=2011&type=Fielding

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4129/gamelog;_ylt=AlFP3Q17Sgi7gtToQaJ5DpFTPaB4?year=2011

That was following on from a good 2009-2010 season. I thought I hadn't imagined it- I remembered vaguely, writers saying it looked like Bargs had finally figured things out and was looking like an all star. After last years injuries, they seem to have erased that from history and make out the way he played last season was the way he played his entire career.

Hope he turns out to be another Keith Van Horn, we need some good luck!

Keith Van Horn as a Net or Knick?

Knick- I actually hated him and the trade, but he surprised everyone by playing well and proving to be tougher than people thought.

He played well with Marbury, mainly with the pick and roll, like a poor man's Sheed, with the ability to hit wide open shots off the PnR, mid game post, with a decent jump hook
Tim Thomas was the beginning of Fugazy, traded for slightly more physical attributes over BB IQ, chemistry, consistent shooting ability, capable of playing on and off the ball

RonRon wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:it's not bias if one team has pierce, kg, deron, brook lopez, joe johnson, ak47

and second team has melo, jr, bargnani

can you guess which team is knicks, one or second?

this is how it is, knicks overshot their expected wins last year because they caught the hot fire balls streak,

so in 13-14, if they win less than 54 games it is not because current team is worse but because 12-13 team was over achieving and most of the time they would win maybe 47 games or so if you run it back

Exactly plus the East has impoved greatly. Both the Pacers and bulls were missing their top players and they still gave us a hard time, the nets are much better, and miami will win every year until lebron is gone

yea and indy gave us more than a hard time, they turned tyson into the jailyard you know what and bounced us out of the playoffs, what a stinker that is,

bulls would've beefed us out of the building too,

celtics gave us a hard time and they were running only on two old men (two old men that will be more effective in combination with the young guys on nets),

and now the pacers and bulls are improved, d rose is mvp guy,

what did we do? we have bargs,

i'm holding out hope for a blockbuster shump trade that brings us a flashy name, because that's the only chance we have at making a splash in the pond,

right now, yea you can make playoffs and make few noises in the regular season, but you're out of town when prom night is here, you're not on the party bus

i love shump and i dont wnat him to go but he alone wont get us anything great. His is the only asset we have left but he isnt gonna get us a bigtime player

...and with Tyson Chandler *I am not sure what his value is because of his contract*

yea because we might not be able to afford resigning tyson, there is a lot of demand in the wnba for his services at center