ChuckBuck wrote:Nalod wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:Nalod wrote:Regarding Nets? I thought they had the type Of season I expected. 50 wins. I had knicks at 52 wins but when Amare looked like he was going to miss a chunk I lowered it to 48 wins.I think the Nets are better than the knicks on paper thus far. Its just July and neither team is set. Now lets be real here for a moment, its not a matter of being right or wrong, just as I see it.
I really enjoyed last season as a knick fan as they exceeded my expectations! Just because knicks are my team don't mean I can't think objectively. I watched some Nets and they were "just another team". I thought I'd "feel" different and like them more.
Im busting Chuck chops a bit because he boasts to be a big fan, and Im sure he is. Being a fan in my book and going off on things that are not accurate makes you look bad. Im sure most will jump on any inaccurate statements I make far and the outcome would be that I was wrong.
I think many posters put defend their positions than accept a change.
I for one hated the trade but left open to like Melo, and I do, but I don't think he is MVP put team on his back and lead us to the promised land, but I still enjoy the knicks and the games.
When I don't, I watch fewer games. Games have to be competitive and fun to watch even in a loss. Some fans are big Melo fans and like to watch him score 35 pts. I used to like to watch Bernard King the same way when I was younger.
Whatever makes you sleep at night, Nalod.
Just think how much future embarassment I saved you? You'll be in a party with a ****tail and your would have said: "Layden drafting Weis and I hold him responsible ( I love that line btw) for trading ewing".........The room would have fell silent, the hot chicks in the room would have looked at you in disgust, successful men considering your career advancement would have erased you from consideration, and perhaps your parter you bed down with as well! All talk would have stoped and you would be like proud of your statement, bobbing your head as if you rose above it all with this lofty value statement, Jiggled your empty coctail glass ice cubes as you begin to feel the loneliness of your statement and said "Think i'll get another" and headed to the bar with the weight of doubt on shoulders as the who room just measured you up.
Instead you'll be accurate with your statement, maybe being even kinder to correct another and say "Tapscott taking Weis was a mistake but we reallyed needed a big man. Terrible pick but Artest looked awful, was a bone head and having him in NY might have not worked out for the team". "Ewing is on record for making the trade request and regretting it. We should have traded him when Don Nelson took over, but MSG was too afraid of fan backlash!" The women would look at you in awe, men will be lining up to hire your with lots of stock options, and your partner will take great pride to be with such a man!
Nalod sleeps knowing his UK friend will shine at the right moment!
Okay, so Tapscott drafted Weis, and Ewing requested a trade. My bad! 
I don't feel embarrassment though, Layden still owns the crown:
-Trading for Eisley and Anderson
-Signing Houston to a fully guaranteed $100mill
-Trading away Spree and Camby
-Antonio McDyess
-Drafting Michael Sweetney over David West, Boris Diaw, Josh Howard
'Nuff Said!
"Trading for Eisley and Anderson" You think Layden had lots to choose from when ewing made his request?
h20. Again, you think a neophyte like Layden had the power offer that contract? Forget Layden, just think about that magnitude of that contract and whose money it is.
Trading away Spree and Camby. Do you remember the tardy nature of Spree and his erratic drama to start the seasons? The broken wrist? Dolan's proclaimation of having "high character guys"? Im not obsolving Layden but don't forget the circumstances and Spree's history. We got great value from him. He had perhaps one more good season left and he started to fall. Spree was quite vocal toward Dolan in his return to MSG. I think that had something to do with it.
Camby and Nene for McDyess we all know in hindsight the outcome and like I said, Dyess was a big risk with a max contract but was a big name star player. Kind of like Signing Amare. Walsh didn't hand out 100mm contract without it being an organizational decision either.
Drafting Sweetney. Every year there are players every team wishes hit had drafted. We all know how hard it is to draft after the first 5 picks in most drafts. Teams get it wrong all the time and Layden wiffed on this one.
There are plenty of personel moves that can be pinned on Layden, as would any GM. Even the best GM's make mistakes!
To me the biggst blunders in the layden era to me are organizational failures that have existed since Dolan took over. H20 was given a promise to get a max deal when he sighed but you can't announce it.
Obviously if we knew the healthy camby would emerge for the next 10 years and Amare at the 7 pick would be available that was the way to go. Denver passed over Amare TWICE that draft! Amare was a high school kid with an awful home situation but was amazing on and off the court for 8 years!
Layden is not the sole blame, in fact this is a dude that never should have been hired in the first place. After Dolan outed Checketts and Van Gundy's unlikely run made him the surviver with his conflict with Grunfeld! One had to go. Grunfeld made some nice moves that Van gundy rejected, in part because he was Ewings choice of coach.
Get it now? WE don't go to finals in 99' van gundy is out, grunfeld survives and Layden is never hired. Dolan had a mess. He hired a neophyte patsy that could not stand up to dolan.
Thus, I conclude Layden was both an awful AND accidental hire due to organizational dysfunction that has lasted for years.
Dolan steamrolled Walsh and got Melo. Walsh leaves after. More dysfunctional forsight.
Knicks don't plan, they react.
Nuff said?
7/11/2013 8:20 AM
