3G4G wrote:

martin wrote:

3G4G wrote:

martin wrote:

3G4G wrote:No it's not Video Game

Cap $60mil in 2014

Luke=MLE/$9milNash
Kobe=$15mil...(since he's 96 yrs old)
Melo=$16mil...(near max)
Zach=$10mil...(older vet signing)
Cosuins=$10mil...(reasonable considering his history)

Ball Park numbers. To be honest Nash probably gets moved to a team like Heat or a strong playoff team to clear all of their cap room. It's only 1 contract to move.

Dude, this is some very embarrassing posting by you, and it's like you are not even trying or doing one iota of investigation or whatnot.

Zach has a player option for $16M in 2014... and you think he will sign for $10M.

Cousins has a qualifying offer in SAC for $7M that year but they will just let him go for free.

Some team is going to trade for a near 41 year old broken down PG making $9.7M?

This is your thought process?

Yes for guaranteed money I think those things can happen. Zach could sign for a 4yr deal maybe for slightly more as I think Nash would be moved

It's not embarrassing posting.....Monta turned down 3yrs $36mil extension from the Bucks and still doesn't have a deal. Iggy opted out of his deal and signed for less per yr but more guaranteed money...Matter of fact Iggy took less twice...1 by opting out and 2 taking the lesser deal between GSW and Nuggets.
Tyson took less from us compared to GSW's offer

Come again?

We traded for a broken down Camby at 38 and gave him a 3yr deal...gave a broken down 38yr old pg a 3yr deal..so yes I believe the Heat could trade for Nash on 1yr giving up some future 2nd rounders at best.

why is Zach leaving Memphis? Monta WANTED out and Iggy had been traded and traded and his guaranteed money was about the same in Nuggets as it was GSW. Why is Zach taking a big pay cut in your scenario?

Also please let me know how Cousins makes it to LA.

And what team is just going to absorb Nash's salary or is it a swap of salaries?

Luke = 5
Kobe = 15
Melo = 15
Cousins = 10
Nash or swap = 10
Zach = 10

Total = 65M
Plus other players = $70M.

You need to cut $10 out of your hypothetical, cap will be around $60M.

I believe Nash will be moved. Lakers have assets to move him as in picks the same way we moved Novak.....500yr old Nash>Novak.

Zach leaves for a chance to win it all...... much like Melo would go there to play with Kobe both taking paycuts. If the Big 3 in Miami can do it why not other players martin? I've provided you other examples of players taking cuts. Hell Dirk took some cuts himself.

My scenario is no more contrived than yours. Here's where I'm confused with you... Are we keeping Melo trying to acquire Rondo and Love with Felton/Smith/Shump on books along with Tyson as you mentioned(not possible with all unless you move contract(s)), or are we going for as much cap space as possible without Melo? If without Melo, then why question him leaving us to go to L.A. otherwise where do you place Melo?

Please break down your salary structures for the 2015 realistic roster you're cooking up?

Again, you are short-changing your arguement. What draft picks do the Lakers have that they didn't give up in the Nash trade?

And how is Cousins getting to the Lakers. Been 2 posts and you haven't answered that one.

Do you homework before you post.

StarksEwing1 wrote:Lets be honest lebron and melo arent even comparable. So if this report is true i hope the lakers get melo and we get lebron

Lebron would only come here to join Melo.

3G4G wrote:

martin wrote:

3G4G wrote:

martin wrote:

3G4G wrote:

martin wrote:

3G4G wrote:No it's not Video Game

Cap $60mil in 2014

Luke=MLE/$9milNash
Kobe=$15mil...(since he's 96 yrs old)
Melo=$16mil...(near max)
Zach=$10mil...(older vet signing)
Cosuins=$10mil...(reasonable considering his history)

Ball Park numbers. To be honest Nash probably gets moved to a team like Heat or a strong playoff team to clear all of their cap room. It's only 1 contract to move.

Dude, this is some very embarrassing posting by you, and it's like you are not even trying or doing one iota of investigation or whatnot.

Zach has a player option for $16M in 2014... and you think he will sign for $10M.

Cousins has a qualifying offer in SAC for $7M that year but they will just let him go for free.

Some team is going to trade for a near 41 year old broken down PG making $9.7M?

This is your thought process?

Yes for guaranteed money I think those things can happen. Zach could sign for a 4yr deal maybe for slightly more as I think Nash would be moved

It's not embarrassing posting.....Monta turned down 3yrs $36mil extension from the Bucks and still doesn't have a deal. Iggy opted out of his deal and signed for less per yr but more guaranteed money...Matter of fact Iggy took less twice...1 by opting out and 2 taking the lesser deal between GSW and Nuggets.
Tyson took less from us compared to GSW's offer

Come again?

We traded for a broken down Camby at 38 and gave him a 3yr deal...gave a broken down 38yr old pg a 3yr deal..so yes I believe the Heat could trade for Nash on 1yr giving up some future 2nd rounders at best.

why is Zach leaving Memphis? Monta WANTED out and Iggy had been traded and traded and his guaranteed money was about the same in Nuggets as it was GSW. Why is Zach taking a big pay cut in your scenario?

Also please let me know how Cousins makes it to LA.

And what team is just going to absorb Nash's salary or is it a swap of salaries?

Luke = 5
Kobe = 15
Melo = 15
Cousins = 10
Nash or swap = 10
Zach = 10

Total = 65M
Plus other players = $70M.

You need to cut $10 out of your hypothetical, cap will be around $60M.

I believe Nash will be moved. Lakers have assets to move him as in picks the same way we moved Novak.....500yr old Nash>Novak.

Zach leaves for a chance to win it all...... much like Melo would go there to play with Kobe both taking paycuts. If the Big 3 in Miami can do it why not other players martin? I've provided you other examples of players taking cuts. Hell Dirk took some cuts himself.

My scenario is no more contrived than yours. Here's where I'm confused with you... Are we keeping Melo trying to acquire Rondo and Love with Felton/Smith/Shump on books along with Tyson as you mentioned(not possible with all unless you move contract(s)), or are we going for as much cap space as possible without Melo? If without Melo, then why question him leaving us to go to L.A. otherwise where do you place Melo?

Please break down your salary structures for the 2015 realistic roster you're cooking up?

Again, you are short-changing your arguement. What draft picks do the Lakers have that they didn't give up in the Nash trade?

And how is Cousins getting to the Lakers. Been 2 posts and you haven't answered that one.

Do you homework before you post.

I've answered pretty much most of your questions, yet you've managed to answer none of mine but to address these questions..

They'll move him that summer along with a 2016 2nd and 2017 2nd plus cash considerations as I stated a couple posts back. It doesn't have to be a first. Therefore room to sign Cousins and Zach comfortably.

You can disagree with Nash's trade value at that point but it's neither here nor there.

Now can you provide the cap figures for the 2015 plan with or without Melo?

dude, you are going to have to be more realistic in your posts.

Kobe - 36 year old coming off of achilles surgery.
Nash - 40 years old and no one is trading 2 second round picks to absorb his salary. Makes $10M.
Melo -
Luke = 33 years old
Zach - 33 years old, takes a $5M pay cut to play with old guys and Melo

= $55M total for those 5. $5M more for other draft picks, vet mins.

Cousins does not come to team because in 2013 demanded Max contract from SAC and is still on rookie contract, plus Lakers are over cap.

Why does Melo go to this team?

And your logic still doesn't make sense anyhow

martin wrote:

3G4G wrote:

martin wrote:

3G4G wrote:

martin wrote:

3G4G wrote:

martin wrote:

3G4G wrote:No it's not Video Game

Cap $60mil in 2014

Luke=MLE/$9milNash
Kobe=$15mil...(since he's 96 yrs old)
Melo=$16mil...(near max)
Zach=$10mil...(older vet signing)
Cosuins=$10mil...(reasonable considering his history)

Ball Park numbers. To be honest Nash probably gets moved to a team like Heat or a strong playoff team to clear all of their cap room. It's only 1 contract to move.

Dude, this is some very embarrassing posting by you, and it's like you are not even trying or doing one iota of investigation or whatnot.

Zach has a player option for $16M in 2014... and you think he will sign for $10M.

Cousins has a qualifying offer in SAC for $7M that year but they will just let him go for free.

Some team is going to trade for a near 41 year old broken down PG making $9.7M?

This is your thought process?

Yes for guaranteed money I think those things can happen. Zach could sign for a 4yr deal maybe for slightly more as I think Nash would be moved

It's not embarrassing posting.....Monta turned down 3yrs $36mil extension from the Bucks and still doesn't have a deal. Iggy opted out of his deal and signed for less per yr but more guaranteed money...Matter of fact Iggy took less twice...1 by opting out and 2 taking the lesser deal between GSW and Nuggets.
Tyson took less from us compared to GSW's offer

Come again?

We traded for a broken down Camby at 38 and gave him a 3yr deal...gave a broken down 38yr old pg a 3yr deal..so yes I believe the Heat could trade for Nash on 1yr giving up some future 2nd rounders at best.

why is Zach leaving Memphis? Monta WANTED out and Iggy had been traded and traded and his guaranteed money was about the same in Nuggets as it was GSW. Why is Zach taking a big pay cut in your scenario?

Also please let me know how Cousins makes it to LA.

And what team is just going to absorb Nash's salary or is it a swap of salaries?

Luke = 5
Kobe = 15
Melo = 15
Cousins = 10
Nash or swap = 10
Zach = 10

Total = 65M
Plus other players = $70M.

You need to cut $10 out of your hypothetical, cap will be around $60M.

I believe Nash will be moved. Lakers have assets to move him as in picks the same way we moved Novak.....500yr old Nash>Novak.

Zach leaves for a chance to win it all...... much like Melo would go there to play with Kobe both taking paycuts. If the Big 3 in Miami can do it why not other players martin? I've provided you other examples of players taking cuts. Hell Dirk took some cuts himself.

My scenario is no more contrived than yours. Here's where I'm confused with you... Are we keeping Melo trying to acquire Rondo and Love with Felton/Smith/Shump on books along with Tyson as you mentioned(not possible with all unless you move contract(s)), or are we going for as much cap space as possible without Melo? If without Melo, then why question him leaving us to go to L.A. otherwise where do you place Melo?

Please break down your salary structures for the 2015 realistic roster you're cooking up?

Again, you are short-changing your arguement. What draft picks do the Lakers have that they didn't give up in the Nash trade?

And how is Cousins getting to the Lakers. Been 2 posts and you haven't answered that one.

Do you homework before you post.

I've answered pretty much most of your questions, yet you've managed to answer none of mine but to address these questions..

They'll move him that summer along with a 2016 2nd and 2017 2nd plus cash considerations as I stated a couple posts back. It doesn't have to be a first. Therefore room to sign Cousins and Zach comfortably.

You can disagree with Nash's trade value at that point but it's neither here nor there.

Now can you provide the cap figures for the 2015 plan with or without Melo?

dude, you are going to have to be more realistic in your posts.

Kobe - 36 year old coming off of achilles surgery.
Nash - 40 years old and no one is trading 2 second round picks to absorb his salary. Makes $10M.
Melo -
Luke = 33 years old
Zach - 33 years old, takes a $5M pay cut to play with old guys and Melo

= $55M total for those 5. $5M more for other draft picks, vet mins.

Cousins does not come to team because in 2013 demanded Max contract from SAC and is still on rookie contract, plus Lakers are over cap.

Why does Melo go to this team?

And your logic still doesn't make sense anyhow

So do you...we're not getting Rondo and Love as team is constructed with vague unknown projections. Zach being older would be another reason he's not commanding as much money per year but may want to opt out to get longer guaranteed money.

Until you be more clear of what you stated, there's no room for you to be questioning others in what they think will happen. The point I was making, Melo very well could be allured to play in L.A. because of Kobe and Cap Space and his familiarity with Los Angeles and Phil Jackson factor.

You're more than welcome to post actual salary of who you truly anticipate being here in 2015.

loweyecue wrote:My problem with Martin's scenario is that it assumes Melo is going to take a cut. There is no evidence yet that he will or even consider taking a cut to plkay with Rondo and Love or whoever we can line up. And if I was in this position I wouldn't lay out muy future plans assuming he would. That means we get one of two things:

A. Melo plus one max player - I don't know about you guys, I don't think we will win a ring with Melo as alpha dog.EVER.

B. Let Melo sign with the Lakers or whoever and try to get three studs to come in at slightly below max - the Heat Blueprint (but because we dont have a Wade to get us started it will be hard to accomplish this).

And I think the biggest catch of 2015 will be Irving right?

C. Is that we trade him before then or do a sign and trade when he's an FA.

loweyecue wrote:My problem with Martin's scenario is that it assumes Melo is going to take a cut. There is no evidence yet that he will or even consider taking a cut to plkay with Rondo and Love or whoever we can line up. And if I was in this position I wouldn't lay out muy future plans assuming he would. That means we get one of two things:

A. Melo plus one max player - I don't know about you guys, I don't think we will win a ring with Melo as alpha dog.EVER.

B. Let Melo sign with the Lakers or whoever and try to get three studs to come in at slightly below max - the Heat Blueprint (but because we dont have a Wade to get us started it will be hard to accomplish this).

And I think the biggest catch of 2015 will be Irving right?

To me Irving is not even a FA. The Cavs will match any offer he gets.

I agree Melo is not enough alone. I like what SAS said today. Melo is a superstar scorer but he is not a superstar. Depending on how the 2015 Free agency goes I would rather rebuild than settle for leftovers like Amare was. The problem with that is that all our draft picks are gone up until after 2016. This would mean our rebuilding will be delayed. We will be bad without the prize of getting high draft picks.

loweyecue wrote:My problem with Martin's scenario is that it assumes Melo is going to take a cut. There is no evidence yet that he will or even consider taking a cut to plkay with Rondo and Love or whoever we can line up. And if I was in this position I wouldn't lay out muy future plans assuming he would. That means we get one of two things:

A. Melo plus one max player - I don't know about you guys, I don't think we will win a ring with Melo as alpha dog.EVER.

B. Let Melo sign with the Lakers or whoever and try to get three studs to come in at slightly below max - the Heat Blueprint (but because we dont have a Wade to get us started it will be hard to accomplish this).

And I think the biggest catch of 2015 will be Irving right?

I have no problem with Martin assuming he'll take a cut....Let's say Melo takes a cut alright start listing the salary of all who'll be on the roster in 2015. If he ask you to do it, then he should be willing to do it himself.

3G4G wrote:

loweyecue wrote:My problem with Martin's scenario is that it assumes Melo is going to take a cut. There is no evidence yet that he will or even consider taking a cut to plkay with Rondo and Love or whoever we can line up. And if I was in this position I wouldn't lay out muy future plans assuming he would. That means we get one of two things:

A. Melo plus one max player - I don't know about you guys, I don't think we will win a ring with Melo as alpha dog.EVER.

B. Let Melo sign with the Lakers or whoever and try to get three studs to come in at slightly below max - the Heat Blueprint (but because we dont have a Wade to get us started it will be hard to accomplish this).

And I think the biggest catch of 2015 will be Irving right?

I have no problem with Martin assuming he'll take a cut....Let's say Melo takes a cut alright start listing the salary of all who'll be on the roster in 2015. If he ask you to do it, then he should be willing to do it himself.

I was following your discussion with him with interest, but like I said, I don't follow he cap rules as much as some here. I do think Martin should present his case based on his projections, I would be interested to see what he is thinking.