loweyecue wrote:Brand is definitley an useful big, but why do we only make offers to people who are 25 or older? Is this the new team approach? The New York Geriatrics. We could be the other NYG in town..

helloharv wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

helloharv wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

helloharv wrote:Well we certainly need a number 4 that can defend and rebound so he would be decent or Psycho T is now available who does those things and is much younger

Between those two I would always choose Brand.

Reasons ?

Read my earlier posts in this thread.

I see one previous post and you claimed he was decent but very old ---- so why not go after the much younger guy that basically does the same role ?

Sorry I mixed up threads. I posted in the thread about Hansbro. He is definitely high energy but not high intelligence. I watched him in Carolina too he is the same IQ level as cave trolls.

VDesai wrote:Is Brand better than Kenyon Martin at this point their career? Kenyon is a bit older, but more ferocious. But Brand seems more steady. It seems like its one or the other right?

Don't believe Brand will be telling his teammates to dress in black as if they were going to a funeral. If Kmart does come back I hope he leaves the high school stuff at home. And Martin was wondering why it took so long to get on a roster last season....

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

VDesai wrote:Is Brand better than Kenyon Martin at this point their career? Kenyon is a bit older, but more ferocious. But Brand seems more steady. It seems like its one or the other right?

Don't believe Brand will be telling his teammates to dress in black as if they were going to a funeral. If Kmart does come back I hope he leaves the high school stuff at home. And Martin was wondering why it took so long to get on a roster last season....

I thought it was Kidd and Chandler who suggested that because they did it in Dallas?

http://www.slamonline.com/online/media/slam-tv/2013/05/knicks-players-dress-in-black-to-bury-the-celtics-video/

Kenyon Martin Says Knicks Will Bury the Celtics in Game 5The trash talk between Boston and New York is reaching epic levels, as the increasingly testy series shifts to a crucial fifth game. Knicks bruiser Kenyon Martin told his teammates after yesterday’s Game 4 defeat to prepare for a Celtics funeral. Per the NY Daily News: “[JR] Smith will be back Wednesday for Game 5 at the Garden. ‘I don’t care if Patrick Ewing comes back for them,’ Terry said. ‘We’re going to treat it like a Game 7.’ Terry had a right to talk big. He made all three of his shots in overtime, including a pull-up 3-pointer off a 2-on-1 break that broke an 88-88 tie with 1:32 left and gave the Celtics the lead for good. But his talk was also the talk of the Knicks’ post-game locker room. ‘The guy was mouthing off before the game,’ Kenyon Martin said. ‘He told me, ‘You’re not dancing at my funeral today.’ [...] ‘We’re ending it Wednesday,’ Martin said. He even made it a point to tell teammates what to wear when the Knicks look to win this series in five, then get ready for the winner of Indiana-Atlanta. ‘Wear black,’ he said. ‘Funeral colors.’”

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

VDesai wrote:Is Brand better than Kenyon Martin at this point their career? Kenyon is a bit older, but more ferocious. But Brand seems more steady. It seems like its one or the other right?

Don't believe Brand will be telling his teammates to dress in black as if they were going to a funeral. If Kmart does come back I hope he leaves the high school stuff at home. And Martin was wondering why it took so long to get on a roster last season....

I thought it was Kidd and Chandler who suggested that because they did it in Dallas?

http://www.slamonline.com/online/media/slam-tv/2013/05/knicks-players-dress-in-black-to-bury-the-celtics-video/

Kenyon Martin Says Knicks Will Bury the Celtics in Game 5The trash talk between Boston and New York is reaching epic levels, as the increasingly testy series shifts to a crucial fifth game. Knicks bruiser Kenyon Martin told his teammates after yesterday’s Game 4 defeat to prepare for a Celtics funeral. Per the NY Daily News: “[JR] Smith will be back Wednesday for Game 5 at the Garden. ‘I don’t care if Patrick Ewing comes back for them,’ Terry said. ‘We’re going to treat it like a Game 7.’ Terry had a right to talk big. He made all three of his shots in overtime, including a pull-up 3-pointer off a 2-on-1 break that broke an 88-88 tie with 1:32 left and gave the Celtics the lead for good. But his talk was also the talk of the Knicks’ post-game locker room. ‘The guy was mouthing off before the game,’ Kenyon Martin said. ‘He told me, ‘You’re not dancing at my funeral today.’ [...] ‘We’re ending it Wednesday,’ Martin said. He even made it a point to tell teammates what to wear when the Knicks look to win this series in five, then get ready for the winner of Indiana-Atlanta. ‘Wear black,’ he said. ‘Funeral colors.’”

My bad.

I was glad when we signed Kmart and I wouldn't mind bringing him back if he can keep that stuff in check. Needs to let his game do the talking.

Dagger wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

VDesai wrote:Is Brand better than Kenyon Martin at this point their career? Kenyon is a bit older, but more ferocious. But Brand seems more steady. It seems like its one or the other right?

Don't believe Brand will be telling his teammates to dress in black as if they were going to a funeral. If Kmart does come back I hope he leaves the high school stuff at home. And Martin was wondering why it took so long to get on a roster last season....

I thought it was Kidd and Chandler who suggested that because they did it in Dallas?

http://www.slamonline.com/online/media/slam-tv/2013/05/knicks-players-dress-in-black-to-bury-the-celtics-video/

Kenyon Martin Says Knicks Will Bury the Celtics in Game 5The trash talk between Boston and New York is reaching epic levels, as the increasingly testy series shifts to a crucial fifth game. Knicks bruiser Kenyon Martin told his teammates after yesterday’s Game 4 defeat to prepare for a Celtics funeral. Per the NY Daily News: “[JR] Smith will be back Wednesday for Game 5 at the Garden. ‘I don’t care if Patrick Ewing comes back for them,’ Terry said. ‘We’re going to treat it like a Game 7.’ Terry had a right to talk big. He made all three of his shots in overtime, including a pull-up 3-pointer off a 2-on-1 break that broke an 88-88 tie with 1:32 left and gave the Celtics the lead for good. But his talk was also the talk of the Knicks’ post-game locker room. ‘The guy was mouthing off before the game,’ Kenyon Martin said. ‘He told me, ‘You’re not dancing at my funeral today.’ [...] ‘We’re ending it Wednesday,’ Martin said. He even made it a point to tell teammates what to wear when the Knicks look to win this series in five, then get ready for the winner of Indiana-Atlanta. ‘Wear black,’ he said. ‘Funeral colors.’”

My bad.

I was glad when we signed Kmart and I wouldn't mind bringing him back if he can keep that stuff in check. Needs to let his game do the talking.

That dressing in black stuff is pretty commonplace in the playoffs and was only emphasized to create drama post-Boston tragedy by media dbags that wanted to dig into the "cocky" Knicks on the verge of a sweep. It had no impact on the game and is of no importance whatsoever. We did not lose two games because of some stupid change of clothing. Kmart was great last season, I'd love to have him back. When Kmart gets pumped up after a sweet block it gets me out of my seat as a fan and makes the game more fun, not everyone is a robot. It's not like he's getting t'ed up left and right and costing us games. He doesn't need to cut out anything, he saved us when Tysoft pulled a Houdini and peaced out halfway through the season.

Its not nearly as commonplace as you suggest and those that have done something similar in the past didn't make such a big production out of it like the Knicks did. The media knew in advance what was coming because some players couldn't stop talking. Not their fault for doing their job and reporting it. It was the Knicks fault for doing a victory lap before the series was over. Absolutely nothing admirable about talking a good game, posturing, and getting your hat handed to you. Showed that they weren't focused enough on getting the job done. Dressing in black and talking trash was a symptom of their lack of focus, not the root cause.

I want Kmart back. I want him to bring his energy and enthusiasm, but I want him to leave his juvenile antics at home. Stuff like that does more to fire up the other team than ours. More bulletin board material for them to use. Others ways to get the team fired up.

Finestrg wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Why oh why can't it be someone younger?? Why does it have to be some long-in-the-tooth dude that's past his prime?? WHY? Jesus H Christ -- they're so FACINATED with this older players that are in the twilight of their careers, it's SCARY!!

Ok, got that out of my system -- anyone recall Brand on Dallas this past season? How'd he look -- does he have anything left?? Also, this has got to be for the vet minimum, right? Do we dip into the mini-MLE for this guy? God, I hope not..

Because the young ones like Blatche stay with their teams for less or sign somewhere else for more.

Not talking about Blatche...I couldn't give a **** about that guy. I'm talking about adding a guy from SL, a young FA in their low 20s that fits the bill, someone cheap...Even Earl Barron is bigger and a good 3-4 yrs younger. I dunno man -- I hope I'm wrong and this guy has something left...They just love pushing the envelope with these guys that are on the downside...Get some more friggin' youngsters in here for Christ's sake..

Guys in their low 20's that are good are still on rookie deals. If they are 23 and they arent straight from the draft or Europe they probably arent any good. Any guy under 25 That can play isnt playing for the vet min.

How can we expect this team to gel? Sure out core 2 (plus Stat) are constant but our PG's are a revolving door, not to mention the flaws in our roster in general.

I love the Knicks but it has been really frustrating to be a fan with such poor decision making going in to our roster/future.

I hope we find a mix that works with Melo otherwise we have been wasting a lot of time.