VCoug wrote:

knickscity wrote:Keep thinking the team is really good, because it isn't no matter who the coach is.

the better coaches wont leave their situations for this team and everyone knows.

How about this: I don't think the team is really good AND I don't think Woodson is a good coach. I think we won more games than I thought we would because the Bulls, Celtics, and 76ers lost their best players to injury for most of the season to the whole season; the Magic blew up their team to rebuild; and Indy missed Granger for almost the whole season.

The regular season isn't my issue, the playoffs are, this team isn't built for the postseason mainly because they dont play with 100 effort and dont play defense for the majority of the game and is led by inefficient scoring.

That's not a coaching issue, it's personnel related.

Now to make this clear for you guys once more. The real issue isn't whether this team was better than Indy or Miami. The issue is what kind of job did Woodson do in the playoffs with his team. He was awful in the postseason again. Starting with issues in the Boston series and even worse in the Indy series. Huge mistakes!!! Things you just didn't see the other coaches doing. Just compare the jobs MJax, Doc, Vogel, Thibs and Hollins did with their teams even in defeat. They did FAR better than Woodson did. He screwed up his own roster. ALL of those other teams played even better versions of the kind of team they came into the playoffs being. GS was even better offensively, Celtics played even harder, Pacers were even more of the ground n pound team they are, Bulls were even tougher defensively etc. The Knicks didn't play a better version of themselves, they went in the complete opposite direction. That's poor coaching. No excuses.

nixluva wrote:There are some people here that just aren't seeming to get the gist of the problem with Woody. It ain't the regular season!!! Forget about the 54 wins. That only goes so far. The real deal is the PLAYOFFS!!! This team was put together to challenge the Heat in the ECF's. Winning the Atlantic was only the 1st step towards that goal and you can't make a season based solely on that. Woody has always been able to win in the regular season. The thing that bothered many was his failures in the PLAYOFFS. That's where he's historically been weak and he proved it again.

Now to make this clear for you guys once more. The real issue isn't whether this team was better than Indy or Miami. The issue is what kind of job did Woodson do in the playoffs with his team. He was awful in the postseason again. Starting with issues in the Boston series and even worse in the Indy series. Huge mistakes!!! Things you just didn't see the other coaches doing. Just compare the jobs MJax, Doc, Vogel, Thibs and Hollins did with their teams even in defeat. They did FAR better than Woodson did. He screwed up his own roster. ALL of those other teams played even better versions of the kind of team they came into the playoffs being. GS was even better offensively, Celtics played even harder, Pacers were even more of the ground n pound team they are, Bulls were even tougher defensively etc. The Knicks didn't play a better version of themselves, they went in the complete opposite direction. That's poor coaching. No excuses.

The Knicks dont have that.

There is nothing Woodson can do with Melo shooting 41% in the playoffs which is pretty much his average since he's been here.

This is the thing YOU DONT GET.

Not only was this team lucky to get to the second round, it was mazing that they won as many games they did in the regular season.

This team is a .500 club who got hot from three twice this year.

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

VCoug wrote:

holfresh wrote:I'm sorry the Woodson is 72-46 since taking over from MDA...Numbers that haven't been seen in god knows how long...Why is Woodson catching shet from all angles again???..Why was the same people shoveling shet McHale's way again???..Same folks handing out congrads to Karl on a brilliant year after he got bounced in the first round...

Lots of bad coaches can get carried to 50 wins; lots of bad coaches can make it to the 2nd round and even further. Throughout the season, and especially in the playoffs, he showed an inability to gameplan, doesn't really put our players in the best position to succeed, and has an overreliance on "his guys" even when they aren't performing at all.

What are u and the other whiners talking about..What evidence do u have other than pouting at everything that doesn't satisfy your own demands..Lin isn't here so everything is bad...Gallo isn't here so Melo is a thug..The coach that gave Lin his shot got bounced so now we are mad at the world..Be honest, man up..I work and live in a results oriented world..I don't understand the nuances of losing provided by the previous coach that was so pleasing to most here...Help me to understand....We were losing to Charlottes and Sacramentos of the world twice a year and now we are not losing to those crappy teams anymore...What am I missing???...We lost to a better team in the second round that was deeper and had better balance..They played better defense...What could Phil Jackson or Riles have done..Answer, play Camby and Copeland...My good lord...Truly, truly amazing...

Please good lord, bless us with a "bad coach" that can lead us to a Championship and I promise I won't complain..My com-padres love the great coaches who can't make it to the playoffs or gets bounced in the first round...I know they are dying to tell me Karl is great, MDA is great..Only thing is the evidence don't support their argument...They think we have arrived two games over .500...54 wins with a broken down squad injured most of the season with one guy carrying you...Oh yeah, they hate him too...hahahahahahahahaha...Twighlight Zone baby!!!..Can't make this shet up!!!!

the team and the coach looked like world-beaters the first 8 games of the season due to ball movement where everyone is involved and defense-- and in spite of the coach allowing melo to take too many shots. remember melo said he didn't need to score points and would do whatever it took to win? but after the memphis game things started to slowly unravel. all the bad habits that had been kept in check began to re-emerge. it is at that point that the coach has to get a hold of the team and discipline his players wherever and whenever necessary, including carmelo. when a coach is afraid of confronting his main guy you will have trouble. pop gets in duncan's face plenty and the other players respect that. instead woodson put on blinders and the team no longer performed in that taut, energetic manner that was frankly thrilling to watch. but sure novak and copeland are the main culprits.

Who was the better team Indy or the Knicks???

nixluva wrote:There are some people here that just aren't seeming to get the gist of the problem with Woody. It ain't the regular season!!! Forget about the 54 wins. That only goes so far. The real deal is the PLAYOFFS!!! This team was put together to challenge the Heat in the ECF's. Winning the Atlantic was only the 1st step towards that goal and you can't make a season based solely on that. Woody has always been able to win in the regular season. The thing that bothered many was his failures in the PLAYOFFS. That's where he's historically been weak and he proved it again.

Now to make this clear for you guys once more. The real issue isn't whether this team was better than Indy or Miami. The issue is what kind of job did Woodson do in the playoffs with his team. He was awful in the postseason again. Starting with issues in the Boston series and even worse in the Indy series. Huge mistakes!!! Things you just didn't see the other coaches doing. Just compare the jobs MJax, Doc, Vogel, Thibs and Hollins did with their teams even in defeat. They did FAR better than Woodson did. He screwed up his own roster. ALL of those other teams played even better versions of the kind of team they came into the playoffs being. GS was even better offensively, Celtics played even harder, Pacers were even more of the ground n pound team they are, Bulls were even tougher defensively etc. The Knicks didn't play a better version of themselves, they went in the complete opposite direction. That's poor coaching. No excuses.

2012-13 Coach of the Year results
Coach 	Team 	                1st 	2nd 	3rd 	Total
George Karl 	Denver 	        62 	26 	16 	404
Erik Spoelstra 	Miami 	        24 	17 	19 	190
Mike Woodson 	New York 	6 	28 	13 	127
Gregg Popovich 	San Antonio 	11 	16 	17 	120
Frank Vogel 	Indiana 	3 	11 	12 	60
Lionel Hollins 	Memphis 	6 	4 	13 	55
Mark Jackson 	Golden State 	3 	6 	14 	47
Tom Thibodeau 	Chicago 	2 	7 	9 	40
Kevin McHale 	Houston 	1 	3 	3 	17
P.J. Carlesimo 	Brooklyn 	1 	1 	0 	8
Vinny Del Negro LA Clippers 	1 	1 	0 	8
Larry Drew 	Atlanta 	1 	0 	1 	6
Doc Rivers 	Boston 	        0 	1 	1 	4
Scott Brooks 	Oklahoma City 	0 	0 	3 	3

Really, the jobs guys did in defeat?????...Look like some writers compared the jobs they did a long time ago before u did..

knickscity wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

knickscity wrote:

TeamBall wrote:I hope we abandon that reliance on 3 point shooting. Things got all kinds of ugly when we went cold.

I wonder if the two teams in the finals feel that way.

I dont think the 2 teams in the finals are concerned with the what the Knicks do.

Probably not, but I'd bet the Knicks are concerned about those teams which is why they modeled certain facets of what they do best.

Threes are part of the game now.

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:There are some people here that just aren't seeming to get the gist of the problem with Woody. It ain't the regular season!!! Forget about the 54 wins. That only goes so far. The real deal is the PLAYOFFS!!! This team was put together to challenge the Heat in the ECF's. Winning the Atlantic was only the 1st step towards that goal and you can't make a season based solely on that. Woody has always been able to win in the regular season. The thing that bothered many was his failures in the PLAYOFFS. That's where he's historically been weak and he proved it again.

Now to make this clear for you guys once more. The real issue isn't whether this team was better than Indy or Miami. The issue is what kind of job did Woodson do in the playoffs with his team. He was awful in the postseason again. Starting with issues in the Boston series and even worse in the Indy series. Huge mistakes!!! Things you just didn't see the other coaches doing. Just compare the jobs MJax, Doc, Vogel, Thibs and Hollins did with their teams even in defeat. They did FAR better than Woodson did. He screwed up his own roster. ALL of those other teams played even better versions of the kind of team they came into the playoffs being. GS was even better offensively, Celtics played even harder, Pacers were even more of the ground n pound team they are, Bulls were even tougher defensively etc. The Knicks didn't play a better version of themselves, they went in the complete opposite direction. That's poor coaching. No excuses.

2012-13 Coach of the Year results
Coach 	Team 	                1st 	2nd 	3rd 	Total
George Karl 	Denver 	        62 	26 	16 	404
Erik Spoelstra 	Miami 	        24 	17 	19 	190
Mike Woodson 	New York 	6 	28 	13 	127
Gregg Popovich 	San Antonio 	11 	16 	17 	120
Frank Vogel 	Indiana 	3 	11 	12 	60
Lionel Hollins 	Memphis 	6 	4 	13 	55
Mark Jackson 	Golden State 	3 	6 	14 	47
Tom Thibodeau 	Chicago 	2 	7 	9 	40
Kevin McHale 	Houston 	1 	3 	3 	17
P.J. Carlesimo 	Brooklyn 	1 	1 	0 	8
Vinny Del Negro LA Clippers 	1 	1 	0 	8
Larry Drew 	Atlanta 	1 	0 	1 	6
Doc Rivers 	Boston 	        0 	1 	1 	4
Scott Brooks 	Oklahoma City 	0 	0 	3 	3

Really, the jobs guys did in defeat?????

I'm convinced that you are are unable to read and comprehend what you've read. This isn't about the regular season. You are putting WAY too much emphasis on that. Aside from making the playoffs the regular season doesn't mean much if you totally mess up in the playoffs. Good teams aren't really obsessed with the regular season. It's all about what you do in the playoffs. What's the point of having the best record if you lose in the playoffs before the WCF or ECF? You can keep on being happy with a nice regular season record as if that really means anything. Once again i'll ask how did Woody do in comparison to the other coaches I listed? Did the Knicks play an even better version of themselves in the playoffs or where they worse?

TeamBall wrote:

knickscity wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

knickscity wrote:

TeamBall wrote:I hope we abandon that reliance on 3 point shooting. Things got all kinds of ugly when we went cold.

I wonder if the two teams in the finals feel that way.

I dont think the 2 teams in the finals are concerned with the what the Knicks do.

Probably not, but I'd bet the Knicks are concerned about those teams which is why they modeled certain facets of what they do best.

Threes are part of the game now.

I didnt say abandon the existence. I dont mind that we shoot 3's. I just didnt like how much we relied on it.

loweyecue wrote:

holfresh wrote:

VCoug wrote:

holfresh wrote:I'm sorry the Woodson is 72-46 since taking over from MDA...Numbers that haven't been seen in god knows how long...Why is Woodson catching shet from all angles again???..Why was the same people shoveling shet McHale's way again???..Same folks handing out congrads to Karl on a brilliant year after he got bounced in the first round...

Lots of bad coaches can get carried to 50 wins; lots of bad coaches can make it to the 2nd round and even further. Throughout the season, and especially in the playoffs, he showed an inability to gameplan, doesn't really put our players in the best position to succeed, and has an overreliance on "his guys" even when they aren't performing at all.

What are u and the other whiners talking about..What evidence do u have other than pouting at everything that doesn't satisfy your own demands..Lin isn't here so everything is bad...Gallo isn't here so Melo is a thug..The coach that gave Lin his shot got bounced so now we are mad at the world..Be honest, man up..I work and live in a results oriented world..I don't understand the nuances of losing provided by the previous coach that was so pleasing to most here...Help me to understand....We were losing to Charlottes and Sacramentos of the world twice a year and now we are not losing to those crappy teams anymore...What am I missing???...We lost to a better team in the second round that was deeper and had better balance..They played better defense...What could Phil Jackson or Riles have done..Answer, play Camby and Copeland...My good lord...Truly, truly amazing...

Please good lord, bless us with a "bad coach" that can lead us to a Championship and I promise I won't complain..My com-padres love the great coaches who can't make it to the playoffs or gets bounced in the first round...I know they are dying to tell me Karl is great, MDA is great..Only thing is the evidence don't support their argument...They think we have arrived two games over .500...54 wins with a broken down squad injured most of the season with one guy carrying you...Oh yeah, they hate him too...hahahahahahahahaha...Twighlight Zone baby!!!..Can't make this shet up, people won't believe you!!!!

Dude you are so one dimensional it's sad. How many times have people pointed it out to you that based on "results" that you claim to base all your "reasoning" on both Karl and MDA have careers that are more accomplished than Mike Fucking Woodson???

CAN YOU ACTUALLY READ?

I read enough to know that trading in Banks occurred well before Glass Steagall was repealed...

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:There are some people here that just aren't seeming to get the gist of the problem with Woody. It ain't the regular season!!! Forget about the 54 wins. That only goes so far. The real deal is the PLAYOFFS!!! This team was put together to challenge the Heat in the ECF's. Winning the Atlantic was only the 1st step towards that goal and you can't make a season based solely on that. Woody has always been able to win in the regular season. The thing that bothered many was his failures in the PLAYOFFS. That's where he's historically been weak and he proved it again.

Now to make this clear for you guys once more. The real issue isn't whether this team was better than Indy or Miami. The issue is what kind of job did Woodson do in the playoffs with his team. He was awful in the postseason again. Starting with issues in the Boston series and even worse in the Indy series. Huge mistakes!!! Things you just didn't see the other coaches doing. Just compare the jobs MJax, Doc, Vogel, Thibs and Hollins did with their teams even in defeat. They did FAR better than Woodson did. He screwed up his own roster. ALL of those other teams played even better versions of the kind of team they came into the playoffs being. GS was even better offensively, Celtics played even harder, Pacers were even more of the ground n pound team they are, Bulls were even tougher defensively etc. The Knicks didn't play a better version of themselves, they went in the complete opposite direction. That's poor coaching. No excuses.

2012-13 Coach of the Year results
Coach 	Team 	                1st 	2nd 	3rd 	Total
George Karl 	Denver 	        62 	26 	16 	404
Erik Spoelstra 	Miami 	        24 	17 	19 	190
Mike Woodson 	New York 	6 	28 	13 	127
Gregg Popovich 	San Antonio 	11 	16 	17 	120
Frank Vogel 	Indiana 	3 	11 	12 	60
Lionel Hollins 	Memphis 	6 	4 	13 	55
Mark Jackson 	Golden State 	3 	6 	14 	47
Tom Thibodeau 	Chicago 	2 	7 	9 	40
Kevin McHale 	Houston 	1 	3 	3 	17
P.J. Carlesimo 	Brooklyn 	1 	1 	0 	8
Vinny Del Negro LA Clippers 	1 	1 	0 	8
Larry Drew 	Atlanta 	1 	0 	1 	6
Doc Rivers 	Boston 	        0 	1 	1 	4
Scott Brooks 	Oklahoma City 	0 	0 	3 	3

Really, the jobs guys did in defeat?????

I'm convinced that you are are unable to read and comprehend what you've read. This isn't about the regular season. You are putting WAY too much emphasis on that. Aside from making the playoffs the regular season doesn't mean much if you totally mess up in the playoffs. Good teams aren't really obsessed with the regular season. It's all about what you do in the playoffs. What's the point of having the best record if you lose in the playoffs before the WCF or ECF? You can keep on being happy with a nice regular season record as if that really means anything. Once again i'll ask how did Woody do in comparison to the other coaches I listed? Did the Knicks play an even better version of themselves in the playoffs or where they worse?

Is Indy a better more well balanced team than the Knicks...Do they play better defense???If so, you arguments are purely speculative...